Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[gojetsgo]

couple of days ago it sounded like depth moves and now today it sounds like something bigger

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Agree on Facebook news being a reason why the world has gone to hell, but would disagree on the Jets news being fine. Once the algorithm figures out you out, you're subject to clickbate on any matter.

For the Jets alone, there's a few hundred similarly named Winnipeg Jets pages, none of which I've liked or joined, but the algorithm knows I like hockey & I'm spoon fed them one after the other.

Then there's the bots providing one lie after another, which nearly always have headline ending with a question mark & in nearly all cases the answer to any rational person is no. There's a term for that town as "Betteridge's Law of Headlines."

My feed has become 9/10th's click bate with virtually no posts visible from friends or groups anymore. This is particularly true when traditionally scrolling thru my feed. The TikTok inspired "Facebook Reels" litters the platform & if I click on anything within Reels, that engagement has them "reeling" me in for more. I think I've seen more John McEnroe serve & volley points in the last year than I did in the early 80's.

Nearly all my real & desired social engagement comes from the notifications icon which to date hasn't been spam fed.

The original question you responded to was where to get hockey news & like conventional news it's from traditional media sources. My go-to each morning is Illegal Curve, particularly good for game day rosters & links to conventional news stories from the Free Press, Winnipeg Sun, The Athletic, TSN, Sportsnet & relevant columnists. I've avoided Twitter since it was renamed X, but I used to follow Garret, Aavco Cup & Seravelli to name a few.

The Joe Rogan School of balanced reportage.

 

[surixon]

couple of days ago it sounded like depth moves and now today it sounds like something bigger

And tomorrow it will be back to depth moves. I doubt they have much of a clue what Chevy is thinking.

 

[gojetsgo]

And tomorrow it will be back to depth moves. I doubt they have much of a clue what Chevy is thinking.

I think dreger is the only person that actually gets info on the jets

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

But this reasoning doesn't work with Cozens? Why is that?
He is not a good player try watching him.
I don't want to play 5.1 million and hope that player "might" smooth out his bumps.

Because Cozens hasn't left Buffalo and performed well.
Have you watched Risto recently?
Not that I have, but reports and stats say he is not just better but much better. I'm not pumping for Risto here. I don't know if he could be good or not. But your opposition to him should be based on the player he is today, not the one he was years ago.

 

[raideralex99]

This whole thing about NMC is stupid and a bit over the top imo.
I can see superstars calling the shot with the NMC but if the average player is told sorry nobody is willing to sign you but I hear Winnipeg might be interested in you ... would you turn it down?
The players that have NMC to me is a red flag ... its all about me is not a player that will not win the cup.
There should more negative stories about players with NMC ... players like that are losers ... they never win and I can guarantee you there would be less players with NMC.
Every story I see now on social media that a player has a NMC ... I call them out as a loser and me player. ... those players never win.

 

[Buffdog]

This whole thing about NMC is stupid and a bit over the top imo.
I can see superstars calling the shot with the NMC but if the average player is told sorry nobody is willing to sign you but I hear Winnipeg might be interested in you ... would you turn it down?
The players that have NMC to me is a red flag ... its all about me is not a player that will not win the cup.
There should more negative stories about players with NMC ... players like that are losers ... they never win and I can guarantee you there would be less players with NMC.
Every story I see now on social media that a player has a NMC ... I call them out as a loser and me player. ... those players never win.

I have no problem with players earning the right to decide where they want to play later in their careers

I'm 22 years into my career, and I like the fact that I can dictate a bunch of stuff about how and when I work

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Plus he seems to like it here

A poster yesterday was that suggesting we let him walk and just find another, better RHD in UFA

Sometimes I wonder if people have any sense of reality or if they just play EA Sports on manager mode too much

If we let Pionk walk, we clearly need another Dman to play the right side. We might be able to get one in FA, but not a big name guy. We would need to be shopping in the bargain bin. We probably have a better chance of trading for one.

I don't think we can count out the possibility of Salomonson getting the job. My concern there would be that we might be rushing him and hurt his development.

So, letting Pionk walk is a risk. But so is signing him to the contract he is earning this year. He has a spotty resume and will probably get both too much term and too much AAV, especially too much term. Him continuing to play well and having a good PO only adds to the size of the contract he will get.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

I have no problem with players earning the right to decide where they want to play later in their careers

I'm 22 years into my career, and I like the fact that I can dictate a bunch of stuff about how and when I work

Yep.

And on the other hand, I have no problem with a built in screening mechanism that weeds out players that aren’t committed to playing for the Jets (or any other franchise). Saves all parties a lot of headaches.

 

[King Woodballs]

I think dreger is the only person that actually gets info on the jets

100%
Dreger clearly still has someone on the inside from his old CKY days.

 

[Buffdog]

If we let Pionk walk, we clearly need another Dman to play the right side. We might be able to get one in FA, but not a big name guy. We would need to be shopping in the bargain bin. We probably have a better chance of trading for one.

I don't think we can count out the possibility of Salomonson getting the job. My concern there would be that we might be rushing him and hurt his development.

So, letting Pionk walk is a risk. But so is signing him to the contract he is earning this year. He has a spotty resume and will probably get both too much term and too much AAV, especially too much term. Him continuing to play well and having a good PO only adds to the size of the contract he will get.

Agreed 100%

I think (if it's possible) that they'll take a similar path with Salomonsson thay they did with Samberg

Samberg only played 64 games for the Moose over 2 seasons (although they were his D + 4 and D +5 years) before making the jump and starting on the bottom pairing. Salo will only be entering his D+3 season... who knows what they do with him next year. His waiver eligibility might play a role unless he kicks the door down in camp

 

[gojetsgo]

100%
Dreger clearly still has someone on the inside from his old CKY days.

he's friends with chevy

 

[Frank Cannon PI]

What are you talking about?

This whole post went completely over my head.

It'll probably blow up in my face, but speculation is a part of this thread, and I think there are too many things that line up for Crosby to come to Winnipeg.

• I thought that Chevy uncharacteristically made a quick move with McGroaty (not that I didn't like that he acted that quickly). To me, looking back now, it looks like he could have been getting the ball rolling on a future deal. I thought that the day of that trade, Pittsburgh won that trade; though I no longer think that this is true but we'll see. McGroaty has been playing better as of late.

• There's absolutely no way that of the teams that have been making the playoffs the last couple of years, that Sid couldn't have been thinking to himself that the team (and situation) that he could help the most, was in Winnipeg. I don't think he cares about location as much as other players do. He wouldn't necessarily be the #2 center either, like he would be in Colorado. He's also likely to get the most credit should the Jets go on a deep run, or two, or three. He's the one with the great playoff pedigree. If he goes to Colorado, they've already won recently, and he'd the 3rd guy behind his buddy and Makar. If he goes to Las Vegas, they've already won, so who really cares (it's not really moving the needle a ton for Crosby's legacy IMO).

• There was supposedly (I need to emphasize supposedly) a meeting on November 22nd in Pittsburgh, where Crosby, Chevy, Dubas, and Logan Stanley were spotted together. My longshot guess, is that perhaps Dubas wants someone on our roster, that plays on the 2nd line, and wanted to see Stanley play every day in Winnipeg to see what he is, which might help explain to some people, why he's always playing. The deal wouldn't be centered around Stanley, but maybe Dubas thinks he's a nice throw-in with potential. One thing people don't talk about enough, is that while Stanley has been with this organization forever, he's only played 186 games. By comparison, when Chara wasn't particularly good (though better than Stanley is today) with the Islanders, he had played 231 games with the Islanders before he was a throw in, way back in the day with the Senators (where he blossomed).

• The person who initially posted this supposed meeting, is from Alberta, and doesn't seem to have much interest at all in Winnipeg, or that much interest in hockey frankly. I don't know why they'd just throw that out there. It could be absolute nonsense, sure. 99.% of the time it is, but I don't see why the person would just come up with those four names. If it was someone from Winnipeg, and an insider (who I never put any stock in), I wouldn't think anything of it.

• KFC's fight with Crosby. Though KFC initiated that fiasco, I had wondered that night if Crosby was testing him out to see if KFC is as soft as people think he is. I thought that helped out the Jets because Connor fought him.

• I think Crosby wants to wait until the last second - probably going back and forth - until he decides on Winnipeg. He always wanted it to work in Pittsburgh, and I think, had things in place (like with the Jets) that if things went South again with the team, that he could chose where he wants to play. I have a hard time thinking that Dubas, the Pittsburgh organization, would have much a problem helping him out here. He's been loyal to the team, and they don't have assets for a transition period. They have to bottom out. They've always done well bottoming out over the years. I would think that they would want to attach Letang or Karlsson to the deal, to clear up all of that money. I would imagine that the Jets would have to also throw in someone like Iafallo's expiring (and someone else) to make the numbers work.

• I guess that there was a loose deal in place going back to November. And I would also guess that Crosby floated the idea going back prior to that.

• Namestnikov signing at this point in time, makes me think Chevy's trying to put the locker room at ease, specifically for the 2nd-liner that isn't moved. That's also a good deal for the team, Names can be moved up and down the line-up, great utility, etc.

• Watching KFC's interview yesterday, I saw it differently than others did. He emphasized trusting Chevy.

• I think the move will be very unpopular with certain fans, naturally, but I never got the impression that the team wants to commit 7 or 8 years to everyone. You're also flipping for a guy who's the complete opposite in the playoffs, who's still really good, and you're getting him for 3 playoff runs. That's one hell of a soft landing for Chevy should be able to pull off such a deal.

 

[raideralex99]

I have no problem with players earning the right to decide where they want to play later in their careers

I'm 22 years into my career, and I like the fact that I can dictate a bunch of stuff about how and when I work

Pro athletics is not like a regular job.
They have a short shelf life ... median career is 5 years and the top 25% is 12 years.
I would not be surprised if some teams don't sign players just because they want a 12 team MNC because if that player career nose dives ... its hard to trade him.

 

[surixon]

Pro athletics is not like a regular job.
They have a short shelf life ... median career is 5 years and the top 25% is 12 years.
I would not be surprised if some teams don't sign players just because they want a 12 team MNC because if that player career nose dives ... its hard to trade him.

Agreed. Simply put when your at the low end of the talent spectrum there should be significant competition for those roles. That is what should be dictating things like trade protection or other perks. There shouldn't be a need to offer trade protection for for a bottom 6 or bottom pairing dmen as those are readily available in the market. If one demands a NTC I'm sure there are dozens just hoping to continue their lucrative career.

 

[Hunter368]

Basically its
1st round 1-8
2nd round 9-22
3rd round 22-64
4th round - everyone after that

Yeh I think I heard something everyone at 8th OA or something is basically a dog’s breakfast

 

[Jet]

Is Winnipeg one of the teams on his 10 team NTC?

That's a great question

 

[cbcwpg]

The thing peps have to remember about NMC / NTC etc. is the players only have them because the GMs gave it to them. You can hate the clause all you want, but if you want to blame anyone, blame the GMs for handing them out like candy. Some moron GMs will give a trade clause to everyone on their roster because they know they will never have an issue getting a player to play for their team, so they don't care.

I dislike the whole trade clause thing, and it's JMO, but no one under 30 should be able to dictate where they play, but that's just me.

 

[Crocket]

It'll probably blow up in my face, but speculation is a part of this thread, and I think there are too many things that line up for Crosby to come to Winnipeg.

• I thought that Chevy uncharacteristically made a quick move with McGroaty (not that I didn't like that he acted that quickly). To me, looking back now, it looks like he could have been getting the ball rolling on a future deal. I thought that the day of that trade, Pittsburgh won that trade; though I no longer think that this is true but we'll see. McGroaty has been playing better as of late.

• There's absolutely no way that of the teams that have been making the playoffs the last couple of years, that Sid couldn't have been thinking to himself that the team (and situation) that he could help the most, was in Winnipeg. I don't think he cares about location as much as other players do. He wouldn't necessarily be the #2 center either, like he would be in Colorado. He's also likely to get the most credit should the Jets go on a deep run, or two, or three. He's the one with the great playoff pedigree. If he goes to Colorado, they've already won recently, and he'd the 3rd guy behind his buddy and Makar. If he goes to Las Vegas, they've already won, so who really cares (it's not really moving the needle a ton for Crosby's legacy IMO).

• There was supposedly (I need to emphasize supposedly) a meeting on November 22nd in Pittsburgh, where Crosby, Chevy, Dubas, and Logan Stanley were spotted together. My longshot guess, is that perhaps Dubas wants someone on our roster, that plays on the 2nd line, and wanted to see Stanley play every day in Winnipeg to see what he is, which might help explain to some people, why he's always playing. The deal wouldn't be centered around Stanley, but maybe Dubas thinks he's a nice throw-in with potential. One thing people don't talk about enough, is that while Stanley has been with this organization forever, he's only played 186 games. By comparison, when Chara wasn't particularly good (though better than Stanley is today) with the Islanders, he had played 231 games with the Islanders before he was a throw in, way back in the day with the Senators (where he blossomed).

• The person who initially posted this supposed meeting, is from Alberta, and doesn't seem to have much interest at all in Winnipeg, or that much interest in hockey frankly. I don't know why they'd just throw that out there. It could be absolute nonsense, sure. 99.% of the time it is, but I don't see why the person would just come up with those four names. If it was someone from Winnipeg, and an insider (who I never put any stock in), I wouldn't think anything of it.

• KFC's fight with Crosby. Though KFC initiated that fiasco, I had wondered that night if Crosby was testing out to see if KFC is as soft as people think he is. I thought that helped out the Jets because Connor fought him.

• I think Crosby wants to wait until the last second - probably going back and forth - until he decides on Winnipeg. He always wanted it to work in Pittsburgh, and I think, had things in place (like with the Jets) that if things went South again with the team, that he could chose where he wants to play. I have a hard time thinking that Dubas, the Pittsburgh organization, would have much a problem helping him out here. He's been loyal to the team, and they don't have assets for a transition period. They have to bottom out. They've always done well bottoming out over the years. I would think that they would want to attach Letang or Karlsson to the deal, to clear up all of that money. I would imagine that the Jets would have to also throw in someone like Iafallo's expiring (and someone else) to make the numbers work.

• I guess that there was a loose deal in place going back to November. And I would also guess that Crosby floated the idea going back prior to that.

• Namestnikov signing at this point in time, makes me think Chevy's trying to put the locker room at ease, specifically for the 2nd-liner that isn't moved. That's also a good deal for the team, Names can be moved up and down the line-up, great utility, etc.

• Watching KFC's interview yesterday, I saw it differently than others did. He emphasized trusting Chevy.

• I think the move will be very unpopular with certain fans, naturally, but I never got the impression that the team wants to commit 7 or 8 years to everyone. You're also flipping for a guy who's the complete opposite in the playoffs, who's still really good, and you're getting him for 3 playoff runs. That's one hell of a soft landing for Chevy should be able to pull off such a deal.

Was this in the National Enquirer? Dubas, Chevy, Sid and Stan had a beer talking about how tough KFC was? lol. Complete nonsense.

 

[surixon]

The thing peps have to remember about NMC / NTC etc. is the players only have them because the GMs gave it to them. You can hate the clause all you want, but if you want to blame anyone, blame the GMs for handing them out like candy. Some moron GMs will give a trade clause to everyone on their roster because they know they will never have an issue getting a player to play for their team, so they don't care.

I dislike the whole trade clause thing, and it's JMO, but no one under 30 should be able to dictate where they play, but that's just me.

Oh I 100% blame GMs for handing them out like candy on Halloween.

You seriously are trying to tell me you had to give trade protection to a guy like Janmark to patrol your 4th line. There are 100's of Janmarks.

Almost every forward on Edmonto has trade protection. Really a washed up Skinner is able get trade protection?

Like seriously this is dumb GMs being stupid.

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

Oh I 100% blame GMs for handing them out like candy on Halloween.

"NTC for you, NTC for you, hey buddy you wanna NTC as well? You do, ok sure, how does a 31 team NTC sound? Great NTC for you" - Some GM probably.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

It'll probably blow up in my face, but speculation is a part of this thread, and I think there are too many things that line up for Crosby to come to Winnipeg.

• I thought that Chevy uncharacteristically made a quick move with McGroaty (not that I didn't like that he acted that quickly). To me, looking back now, it looks like he could have been getting the ball rolling on a future deal. I thought that the day of that trade, Pittsburgh won that trade; though I no longer think that this is true but we'll see. McGroaty has been playing better as of late.

• There's absolutely no way that of the teams that have been making the playoffs the last couple of years, that Sid couldn't have been thinking to himself that the team (and situation) that he could help the most, was in Winnipeg. I don't think he cares about location as much as other players do. He wouldn't necessarily be the #2 center either, like he would be in Colorado. He's also likely to get the most credit should the Jets go on a deep run, or two, or three. He's the one with the great playoff pedigree. If he goes to Colorado, they've already won recently, and he'd the 3rd guy behind his buddy and Makar. If he goes to Las Vegas, they've already won, so who really cares (it's not really moving the needle a ton for Crosby's legacy IMO).

• There was supposedly (I need to emphasize supposedly) a meeting on November 22nd in Pittsburgh, where Crosby, Chevy, Dubas, and Logan Stanley were spotted together. My longshot guess, is that perhaps Dubas wants someone on our roster, that plays on the 2nd line, and wanted to see Stanley play every day in Winnipeg to see what he is, which might help explain to some people, why he's always playing. The deal wouldn't be centered around Stanley, but maybe Dubas thinks he's a nice throw-in with potential. One thing people don't talk about enough, is that while Stanley has been with this organization forever, he's only played 186 games. By comparison, when Chara wasn't particularly good (though better than Stanley is today) with the Islanders, he had played 231 games with the Islanders before he was a throw in, way back in the day with the Senators (where he blossomed).

• The person who initially posted this supposed meeting, is from Alberta, and doesn't seem to have much interest at all in Winnipeg, or that much interest in hockey frankly. I don't know why they'd just throw that out there. It could be absolute nonsense, sure. 99.% of the time it is, but I don't see why the person would just come up with those four names. If it was someone from Winnipeg, and an insider (who I never put any stock in), I wouldn't think anything of it.

• KFC's fight with Crosby. Though KFC initiated that fiasco, I had wondered that night if Crosby was testing him out to see if KFC is as soft as people think he is. I thought that helped out the Jets because Connor fought him.

• I think Crosby wants to wait until the last second - probably going back and forth - until he decides on Winnipeg. He always wanted it to work in Pittsburgh, and I think, had things in place (like with the Jets) that if things went South again with the team, that he could chose where he wants to play. I have a hard time thinking that Dubas, the Pittsburgh organization, would have much a problem helping him out here. He's been loyal to the team, and they don't have assets for a transition period. They have to bottom out. They've always done well bottoming out over the years. I would think that they would want to attach Letang or Karlsson to the deal, to clear up all of that money. I would imagine that the Jets would have to also throw in someone like Iafallo's expiring (and someone else) to make the numbers work.

• I guess that there was a loose deal in place going back to November. And I would also guess that Crosby floated the idea going back prior to that.

• Namestnikov signing at this point in time, makes me think Chevy's trying to put the locker room at ease, specifically for the 2nd-liner that isn't moved. That's also a good deal for the team, Names can be moved up and down the line-up, great utility, etc.

• Watching KFC's interview yesterday, I saw it differently than others did. He emphasized trusting Chevy.

• I think the move will be very unpopular with certain fans, naturally, but I never got the impression that the team wants to commit 7 or 8 years to everyone. You're also flipping for a guy who's the complete opposite in the playoffs, who's still really good, and you're getting him for 3 playoff runs. That's one hell of a soft landing for Chevy should be able to pull off such a deal.

Youre work on inanna/stumbledore was much better...

 

[jgimp]

Agreed 100%

I think (if it's possible) that they'll take a similar path with Salomonsson thay they did with Samberg

Samberg only played 64 games for the Moose over 2 seasons (although they were his D + 4 and D +5 years) before making the jump and starting on the bottom pairing. Salo will only be entering his D+3 season... who knows what they do with him next year. His waiver eligibility might play a role unless he kicks the door down in camp

I would love to see him called up post TDL for a nice strech to see what he can do. It would give us an idea of how he would handle the speed and gives him an idea of what he needs to work on as well as a nice paycheck.
Pair him with Mo for a bit as well as Samberg and see how it works. Gives you an idea of risk in regards of letting Pionk walk or not.

 

[Frank Cannon PI]

Youre work on inanna/stumbledore was much better...

Ouch!

I never worked on Stumbledore.

Was this in the National Enquirer? Dubas, Chevy, Sid and Stan had a beer talking about how tough KFC was? lol. Complete nonsense.

I believe that Tweet (or whatever you'd call it) was actually posted prior to the game.

Wow, no love for 'Star'?

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

It'll probably blow up in my face, but speculation is a part of this thread, and I think there are too many things that line up for Crosby to come to Winnipeg.

• I thought that Chevy uncharacteristically made a quick move with McGroaty (not that I didn't like that he acted that quickly). To me, looking back now, it looks like he could have been getting the ball rolling on a future deal. I thought that the day of that trade, Pittsburgh won that trade; though I no longer think that this is true but we'll see. McGroaty has been playing better as of late.

• There's absolutely no way that of the teams that have been making the playoffs the last couple of years, that Sid couldn't have been thinking to himself that the team (and situation) that he could help the most, was in Winnipeg. I don't think he cares about location as much as other players do. He wouldn't necessarily be the #2 center either, like he would be in Colorado. He's also likely to get the most credit should the Jets go on a deep run, or two, or three. He's the one with the great playoff pedigree. If he goes to Colorado, they've already won recently, and he'd the 3rd guy behind his buddy and Makar. If he goes to Las Vegas, they've already won, so who really cares (it's not really moving the needle a ton for Crosby's legacy IMO).

• There was supposedly (I need to emphasize supposedly) a meeting on November 22nd in Pittsburgh, where Crosby, Chevy, Dubas, and Logan Stanley were spotted together. My longshot guess, is that perhaps Dubas wants someone on our roster, that plays on the 2nd line, and wanted to see Stanley play every day in Winnipeg to see what he is, which might help explain to some people, why he's always playing. The deal wouldn't be centered around Stanley, but maybe Dubas thinks he's a nice throw-in with potential. One thing people don't talk about enough, is that while Stanley has been with this organization forever, he's only played 186 games. By comparison, when Chara wasn't particularly good (though better than Stanley is today) with the Islanders, he had played 231 games with the Islanders before he was a throw in, way back in the day with the Senators (where he blossomed).

• The person who initially posted this supposed meeting, is from Alberta, and doesn't seem to have much interest at all in Winnipeg, or that much interest in hockey frankly. I don't know why they'd just throw that out there. It could be absolute nonsense, sure. 99.% of the time it is, but I don't see why the person would just come up with those four names. If it was someone from Winnipeg, and an insider (who I never put any stock in), I wouldn't think anything of it.

• KFC's fight with Crosby. Though KFC initiated that fiasco, I had wondered that night if Crosby was testing him out to see if KFC is as soft as people think he is. I thought that helped out the Jets because Connor fought him.

• I think Crosby wants to wait until the last second - probably going back and forth - until he decides on Winnipeg. He always wanted it to work in Pittsburgh, and I think, had things in place (like with the Jets) that if things went South again with the team, that he could chose where he wants to play. I have a hard time thinking that Dubas, the Pittsburgh organization, would have much a problem helping him out here. He's been loyal to the team, and they don't have assets for a transition period. They have to bottom out. They've always done well bottoming out over the years. I would think that they would want to attach Letang or Karlsson to the deal, to clear up all of that money. I would imagine that the Jets would have to also throw in someone like Iafallo's expiring (and someone else) to make the numbers work.

• I guess that there was a loose deal in place going back to November. And I would also guess that Crosby floated the idea going back prior to that.

• Namestnikov signing at this point in time, makes me think Chevy's trying to put the locker room at ease, specifically for the 2nd-liner that isn't moved. That's also a good deal for the team, Names can be moved up and down the line-up, great utility, etc.

• Watching KFC's interview yesterday, I saw it differently than others did. He emphasized trusting Chevy.

• I think the move will be very unpopular with certain fans, naturally, but I never got the impression that the team wants to commit 7 or 8 years to everyone. You're also flipping for a guy who's the complete opposite in the playoffs, who's still really good, and you're getting him for 3 playoff runs. That's one hell of a soft landing for Chevy should be able to pull off such a deal.

First, thank you for taking the time to explain so thoroughly. Much appreciated!

Secondly - me reading this crazy post.