Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

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dude, every single time a poll comes out the jets are near the top, every time people talk about the jets they mention how hard it is for them to get players in, all the random numbers you try and pull out of your ass isn't going to change that, it doesn't even matter if some of those players pulled don't have trade protection, it just shows the general sentiment that players have towards the jets....
Players can hold any opinion they want, but it doesn't mean squat until they're 27 & have 7 years of NHL experience, over which time they grow up, experience life, get married, have kids & perhaps begin to appreciate what life in Winnipeg has to offer.

Sorry to be boring you with grade 4 math. I'm simply pointing out that any poll worth its' weigh needs to be polling the players who actually have these terms in their contract.
 
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no, if you place a player on ltir you don't accrue cap space, I'm pretty sure the further you are from the cap the more you accrue at the deadline, they were like 18 million under the cap so they gained a ton of deadline space

How did they meet the cap floor?
 
Players can hold any opinion they want, but it doesn't mean squat until they're 27 & have 7 years of NHL experience, over which time they grow up, experience life, get married, have kids & perhaps begin to appreciate what life in Winnipeg has to offer.

Sorry to be boring you with grade 4 math. I'm simply pointing out that any poll worth its' weigh needs to be polling the players who actually have these terms in their contract.
I mean, I just find it silly to try and do the math on how many players have us on their NTC... like you literally can't do the math on that but you keep insisting that it's a marginal disadvantage...

I just base my opinion on every single poll listing us at the top of NTC and every insider talking about how hard it is for the jets to get players due to trade protection, you can base it on some pretty flawed math I guess...
 
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Is this going to be the same as the TDL where Paul Gaustad fetched a first rounder?

That is one bull market when you’re hearing “Scott Laughton” and “first round picks” in the same sentence.

At least with Monahan he had the track record ages before injuries, but if we use another 1st for "guy who is playing as good as Namestnikov to replace Namestnikov" I'm going to egg chevy's house :laugh:.
 
People over value late 1st rd picks (especially in this weak draft year), we’re not talking about top 20 picks here guys.
It's not so much the 1st rd pick that is valuable but having no 2nd either, in a rental trade, does put the Jets in a bit of bind, from the prospective side. If Chevy wanted to trade down into the 2nd for a defenseman, where he has found a couple of good prospects, and only Lundmark is a miss in terms of development, you look at 3rd round and beyond and the Jets have hit and lost Kovacevic, who was not an overwhelming prospect and might still miss the playoffs with Jersey the way they are tanking down the stretch, and Chisholm, who likely gets upgraded on at the deadline. I guess Tucker Poolman gave the Jets one year of 3rd pairing defense before free agency too. But you can add Luke Green, Gawanke, Glover, Cederholm, Villati and more to the list of d-men the Jets have missed on in later picks. So the odds are against them hitting on a d-man from a later pick, historically.

Is there a player that the Jets should trade their 1st for? That is actually available to the Jets. Donato? I'm not sure what's available, but I know Chevy was bemoaning how hard it was to get into the 1st round after trading out of it last year, maybe he wants the security of a draft pick, if all that is available is rentals at the deadline.
 
How did they meet the cap floor?
They were 4 million above & remained there the entire season. Pretty significant numbers can accrue daily over the entire (195 day?) 2024-2025 season when you spend each day $19 million under the cap.

Keep in mind that deadline cap space & projected cap space are different animals.
 
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Winnipeg Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff and his scouts are travelling with the team on its current four-game trip through Long Island, Philadelphia, New Jersey and Carolina. Instead of flying with the players and coaches from Philadelphia to New Jersey after Thursday’s game, they’ll set up shop in a Philadelphia hotel on Thursday night and stay through Friday afternoon’s deadline.

After 2 p.m., Winnipeg time, on Friday, they’ll fly to New Jersey, where Cheveldayoff will talk to reporters about the deal or deals he managed to pull off, assuming there are any.
 
Winnipeg Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff and his scouts are travelling with the team on its current four-game trip through Long Island, Philadelphia, New Jersey and Carolina. Instead of flying with the players and coaches from Philadelphia to New Jersey after Thursday’s game, they’ll set up shop in a Philadelphia hotel on Thursday night and stay through Friday afternoon’s deadline.

After 2 p.m., Winnipeg time, on Friday, they’ll fly to New Jersey, where Cheveldayoff will talk to reporters about the deal or deals he managed to pull off, assuming there are any.
Oh to be a fly on the wall....
 
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I mean, I just find it silly to try and do the math on how many players have us on their NTC... like you literally can't do the math on that but you keep insisting that it's a marginal disadvantage...

I just base my opinion on every single poll listing us at the top of NTC and every insider talking about how hard it is for the jets to get players due to trade protection, you can base it on some pretty flawed math I guess...
I agree, the math associated with all this is speculative.

But no-more-so than polling 18-26 years old players on a subject that has no bearing on them & then using it to take jab's at the Winnipeg franchise in the international media year after year.

Only Chevy knows many potential deals he's lost due to this. I'm not about to start reviewing every deal Chevy has made, but it's certainly true that players with NMC's & NTC's have in fact been traded to Winnipeg.
 
861 players have appeared in a NHL game this season & 260 have some form of NTC or NMC, so to begin with just 30% even have these in their contracts. A player must be over 27 AND have 7 years of NHL experience to negotiate such a deal into their contract.

Of those 260, 110 have either a full NMC's or a full NTC. This amounts to 12.7% of all contracts. They're not only unavailable to the Jets, unless they waive, 30 other teams can't trade for them either.

Of the remaining 150, the NTC most commonly fluctuate between 3-16 teams. There are only 4 NHL players whose NTC involves more than 18 teams. As a rule this exists so players on contending teams don't find themselves traded to teams outside the playoff line, hence why 16 is such a common number.

Now clearly that isn't always the case. It was recently reported in the Athletic that in an 82 player sample, Winnipeg appeared on 48% of these players lists. (150x0.48=72)

This math suggest 72 players in the NHL have the Jets on their list, which amount to 8% of all the players playing the NHL this season.

You could argue further that a good portion of these 72 are on albatross contracts or are playing significantly below the contracted value & not worth trading for in the first place.

I've posted something similar for several seasons now around this time of year.

In a nutshell are the Jets operating at a disadvantage? Sure...but it's a marginal disadvantage at best.
An important correction... The survey found that 48% of players had the Jets at the top of their NT list. If you expanded to their top 6 or 10, the Jets are on the vast majority of NT lists (as has been found in previous surveys).

Regarding other aspects, good younger players that are not eligible for NT clauses are seldom in the trade market for playoff runs because teams don't trade them. The high quality players that are available at trade deadlines are usually higher level players nearing UFA that have hefty contracts. Teams that aren't competitive sell them to get younger prospects or picks. That's the aisle the Jets are shopping in, and a high proportion of them have trade protection. Friedman, Dreger and Johnston have all commented that the Jets would be interested in some higher impact players but trade protections constrains them. Go through the Athletic's trade board... most of them have trade protection.
 
If the Jets are ok with the higher end rental market, Nelson seems like the biggest piece.

If the Jets can't get a true centre, I still really like the idea of getting either McCann or Bjorkstrand from Seattle. You can use the post deadline to mix and match in the middle 6. Really just depends on the price. Getting some more scoring in the middle 6 would be an improvement IMO.

Oleksiak could also be an interesting depth move, but his cap hit for next year is kind of high for what he brings IMO (have to be sure it didn't affect extending the guys they want to extend). That's where a Dumoulin or Ferraro could be another option for 3LD.

Geekie has been mentioned and he would look like a pretty decent addition as well. And you have some flexibility with that to do with him next season as well.
 
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Winnipeg Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff and his scouts are travelling with the team on its current four-game trip through Long Island, Philadelphia, New Jersey and Carolina. Instead of flying with the players and coaches from Philadelphia to New Jersey after Thursday’s game, they’ll set up shop in a Philadelphia hotel on Thursday night and stay through Friday afternoon’s deadline.

After 2 p.m., Winnipeg time, on Friday, they’ll fly to New Jersey, where Cheveldayoff will talk to reporters about the deal or deals he managed to pull off, assuming there are any.
To be the hidden camera in that hotel room!
 
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Oh to be a fly on the wall....
Probably go something like this…
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I agree, the math associated with all this is speculative.

But no-more-so than polling 18-26 years old players on a subject that has no bearing on them & then using it to take jab's at the Winnipeg franchise in the international media year after year.

Only Chevy knows many potential deals he's lost due to this. I'm not about to start reviewing every deal Chevy has made, but it's certainly true that players with NMC's & NTC's have in fact been traded to Winnipeg.

How about this. How many times has a player with a NMC been traded to Winnipeg and it comes out that the player didn’t have to waive his clause because Winnipeg wasn’t on his list? It’s zero. I think it’s very likely that Winnipeg is on 100% of no trade lists.
 
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Winnipeg Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff and his scouts are travelling with the team on its current four-game trip through Long Island, Philadelphia, New Jersey and Carolina. Instead of flying with the players and coaches from Philadelphia to New Jersey after Thursday’s game, they’ll set up shop in a Philadelphia hotel on Thursday night and stay through Friday afternoon’s deadline.

After 2 p.m., Winnipeg time, on Friday, they’ll fly to New Jersey, where Cheveldayoff will talk to reporters about the deal or deals he managed to pull off, assuming there are any.
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