Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[10Ducky10]

Why the hell would LA want to get rid of Byfield?? Doesnt make any sense.

Exactly.
What do they have at that position?
Kop and Danault?
Kop is set to retire and they have nobody to take over 1C if they trade Byfield.

 

[surixon]

Its kypreos... but hes saying that kyrou, byfield and tuch are all available...

Yes please to any of those guys.

I personally wouldn't trust anything Kypreos says.

 

[Gil Fisher]

I personally wouldn't trust anything Kypreos says.

sounds like he got mixed up with what "available" and "unavailable" mean.

 

[voyageur]

Oh I get why they seem to think they don't have time to live with the growing pains but what exactly has their impatient approach gotten us.

This org has been scrambling to find 2C's going back to 2018. We've spent Laine, Roslovic, and three firats and some other draft capital to solve this issue and what do we have to show for it, no oong term solution, one conference finals run and a string of embarrassing playoff defeats. You can likely add McGroarty for Yager and possibly whatever we give up next week for another band aid.

Given not only this teams performance but the sheer asset depletion would this org been any worse off if they were to actually live with the growing pains of integrating a young C?

I'm sure they saw plenty of things they didn't like in our kids but never gave them the time to grow into the roles. I'm sorry but less then 10 games combined at center isn't anywhere near enough time to make an accurate assessment. If that is what they are doing I'd say they probably need to update their methods.

My fear is we see the exact same pattern when it comes to integrating Yager.

Namestnikov has been a nice pickup. He's picked up Perfetti's game, and that's the end goal I think.

Gives Yager the development time to win the job.

It's funny because the Jets aren't about big changes...and you can look at next year's team as

Connor-Scheif-Vilardi
Perfetti-Namestnikov-?
Nino-Lowry-?
Barron-Kupari-?

And you maybe try to find a player who can fit in that scheme, but you have a couple of prospects in Chibrikov and Ford that can maybe round out a couple of spots. Throw JAD in the mix. Lambert too if he has a good camp.

I think RW goes through a bit of an overhaul. Maybe starts at the deadline.

 

[DRW204]

At roughly Lambert's current age, Ehlers was putting up 64 points in the NHL. Nik's transition to the NHL was more rapid than almost anyone else in our top 6. Brad's transition has been not just slow, but the trend line is bumpy, to be generous.

I don't really see the Lambert-Ehlers comparison, other than the lighting fast speed. Certainly not yet, maybe not ever.

Lambert will have to carry a 2nd line essentially. Barring big improvements, Perfetti and Namestnikov aren't really line drivers offensively or big producers at 5v5 hockey. Perfetti for example has 4 5v5 goals, and on-ice for 31 GF. that's one of the lowest contribution %s in the league IIRC of similar TOI fwds. Namestnikov is 6 goals/28 on-ice GF. Ehlers was definitely ready faster for NHL hockey. He got thrust into the NHL since he wasn't eligible for the AHL in 2015, & produced admirably. The depth chart was also lighter at the time comparatively to now.

 

[voyageur]

Lambert will have to carry a 2nd line essentially. Barring big improvements, Perfetti and Namestnikov aren't really line drivers offensively or big producers at 5v5 hockey. Perfetti for example has 4 5v5 goals, and on-ice for 31 GF. that's one of the lowest %s in the league IIRC of similar TOI fwds. Namestnikov is 6 goals/28 on-ice GF. Ehlers was definitely ready faster for NHL hockey. He got thrust into the NHL since he wasn't eligible for the AHL in 2015, & produced admirably. The depth chart was also lighter at the time comparatively to now.

If Vlad is +19 and Perfetti +17, that must mean they are on the ice for less than 12 GA this year, accounting for special teams variance?

 

[Adam da bomb]

At roughly Lambert's current age, Ehlers was putting up 64 points in the NHL. Nik's transition to the NHL was more rapid than almost anyone else in our top 6. Brad's transition has been not just slow, but the trend line is bumpy, to be generous.

I don't really see the Lambert-Ehlers comparison, other than the lighting fast speed. Certainly not yet, maybe not ever.

But, were we contenders at that point? Do we need him to be as good as Ehlers if we have a stronger winger for him to play with in Perfetti?
Our 1st line wasn't as good. Wheeler was as good if not better than KC, but, we didn't have a second winger as good as Vlad. It's a completely different situation.

 

[surixon]

Namestnikov has been a nice pickup. He's picked up Perfetti's game, and that's the end goal I think.

Gives Yager the development time to win the job.

It's funny because the Jets aren't about big changes...and you can look at next year's team as

Connor-Scheif-Vilardi
Perfetti-Namestnikov-?
Nino-Lowry-?
Barron-Kupari-?

And you maybe try to find a player who can fit in that scheme, but you have a couple of prospects in Chibrikov and Ford that can maybe round out a couple of spots. Throw JAD in the mix. Lambert too if he has a good camp.

I think RW goes through a bit of an overhaul. Maybe starts at the deadline.

Namestnikov has been adequate as a short term fit but he's not a long term solution. Hopefully Yager will be but he's atleast another year or two out.

 

[DRW204]

If Vlad is +19 and Perfetti +17, that must mean they are on the ice for less than 12 GA this year, accounting for special teams variance?

no

 

[voyageur]

Namestnikov has been adequate as a short term fit but he's not a long term solution. Hopefully Yager will be but he's atleast another year or two out.

I am trying to think if the Jets have ever had a +19 center? Anyone? The Bowness/Arniel defense first mentality has changed this team.

When Yager does make it, and I am optimistic that it only takes a year for him to get there, you have your Bryan Little #2C winning big draws defensively, and offensively. Killing penalties with the best of them.

And hopefully we never have another Ehlers-Laine situation that forces the team to make tough decisions about their 2C, looking for the unicorn. Because Little did a pretty good job here. But still lost the job 2 years in a row.

 

[surixon]

If Vlad is +19 and Perfetti +17, that must mean they are on the ice for less than 12 GA this year, accounting for special teams variance?

The two together have been on for 24 gf and 12 GA.

Perfetti without Vlad is 7 GF 6 GA
Vlad without Cole is 4 gf 5 GA

This is all 5 on 5 time.

 

[surixon]

I am trying to think if the Jets have ever had a +19 center? Anyone? The Bowness/Arniel defense first mentality has changed this team.

When Yager does make it, and I am optimistic that it only takes a year for him to get there, you have your Bryan Little #2C winning big draws defensively, and offensively. Killing penalties with the best of them.

And hopefully we never have another Ehlers-Laine situation that forces the team to make tough decisions about their 2C, looking for the unicorn. Because Little did a pretty good job here. But still lost the job 2 years in a row.

Yup:
Scheifele last year and in 17-18
Lowry has been plus 17 each of the past two years.

I'm happy with the defense he's brought but imo I think both Cole and Ehlers have had a lot to say about the outscoring.

Both continue to outscore and post positive metrics away from him over the past two years whereas Namestnikov falls below 50% across the board when away from them.

I think Namestnikov is just a real good fit for those two but they are less dependent on him then he is on them. I worry a bit about what will happen to his game of Ehlers leaves.

 

[ps241]

Just a slight correction. Scheifele was the #1 center in 2014-2015, d+4, by the playoffs. Stafford-Scheif-Wheeler. Ladd-Little-Frolik was #2 line.

I guess they were flirting with it by then. Round playoff with 1 point.

My memory is foggy I thought Scheifele was the number 2 center the following season up until Little was injured?

 

[voyageur]

Yup:
Scheifele last year and in 17-18
Lowry has been plus 17 each of the past two years.

I'm happy with the defense he's brought but imo I think both Cole and Ehlers have had a lot to say about the outscoring.

Both continue to outscore and post positive metrics away from him over the past two years whereas Namestnikov falls below 50% across the board when away from them.

I think Namestnikov is just a real good fit for those two but they are less dependent on him then he is on them. I worry a bit about what will happen to his game of Ehlers leaves.

What were the results with Monahan last year? That should be the cautionary tale. Namestnikov I find to be a positionally sound center. You can't jump the zone for odd man rushes without that type of player. In fact you end up on the wrong of side of the puck if your center is defensively cheating for offense. That happened with that combination and Scheifele on an extended shift earlier in the year.

Chibrikov's 2 goals in 4 games says that there is still potential without Ehlers.

 

[Mooche]

Exactly.
What do they have at that position?
Kop and Danault?
Kop is set to retire and they have nobody to take over 1C if they trade Byfield.

Blake has gotten smoked in past deals, but this is a bridge too far that they'd even consider this, IMO.

He's 22, signed on a long term ticket at 6.5M. That could look like ridiculous value in a few years if he keeps developing.

Nevermind Kopitar is 37 years old keeping the seat warm for him to take over.

Some Kipper click bait.

 

[voyageur]

I guess they were flirting with it by then. Round playoff with 1 point.

My memory is foggy I thought Little was the number 2 center the following season up until Little was injured?

Maurice moved him to #1 C in that playoff year, which is also the emergence of Lowry as the #3 C who took over for #2 with Little out to get us into the playoffs. Scheifele was completely shut down by Kesler in round 1. But he never looked back. Next year Ehlers started with Scheif and Wheeler, but without Frolik it was a bit of a gong show. Bringing Burmistrov back, I believe it was Burmistrov-Lowry-Stafford as the 3rd line that was awful to start, and the Jets never recovered that year. Somewhere along the way Trouba and Stuart were separated too, and the Buff-Trouba experiment that never lasted and caused a Trouba holdout after missing the playoffs.

 

[Flair Hay]

At roughly Lambert's current age, Ehlers was putting up 64 points in the NHL. Nik's transition to the NHL was more rapid than almost anyone else in our top 6. Brad's transition has been not just slow, but the trend line is bumpy, to be generous.

I don't really see the Lambert-Ehlers comparison, other than the lighting fast speed. Certainly not yet, maybe not ever.

Yeah Lambert has always compared closer to Roslovic than Ehlers. How successful he is in the NHL will depend on how well he rounds out his game away from the puck. That stuff takes time.

 

[DRW204]

What were the results with Monahan last year? That should be the cautionary tale. Namestnikov I find to be a positionally sound center. You can't jump the zone for odd man rushes without that type of player. In fact you end up on the wrong of side of the puck if your center is defensively cheating for offense. That happened with that combination and Scheifele on an extended shift earlier in the year.

Chibrikov's 2 goals in 4 games says that there is still potential without Ehlers.

cautionary tale of what? the 2nd line with Monahan was still v good last season.
Monahan +11 at 5v5, 3.7 GF/60 and 2.1 pts/60 in 34 gp with the Jets. i like namestnikov but his +/- you keep on quoting is driven by primarily great goaltending & being out for empty nets.

 

[bustamente]

Kypreos sent to much time in the NHL taking shots and lying face down on the ice, why SN brought him back is anyone's guess but he is no Jets insider and should stick to fluffing the Leafs

 

[voyageur]

cautionary tale of what? the 2nd line with Monahan was still v good last season.
Monahan +11 at 5v5, 3.7 GF/60 and 2.1 pts/60 in 34 gp with the Jets. i like namestnikov but his +/- you keep on quoting is driven by primarily great goaltending & being out for empty nets.

With Perfetti and Ehlers? I think there has to be a reason why Perfetti got dropped off 2nd line. To the 4th line, before the Toffoli trade. I believe Iafallo got bumped up with Scheif-Connor when Valardi went down. I remember Monahan-Connor-Perfetti having the big game against the Avs at the end of the year, but that combination only saw one more period if my memory serves me correct.

 

[bustamente]

It would be the last straw for Blake in LA if he traded Byfield, he got murdered by the PLD trade and should tread lightly with trades

 

[DRW204]

With Perfetti and Ehlers? I think there has to be a reason why Perfetti got dropped off 2nd line. To the 4th line, before the Toffoli trade. I believe Iafallo got bumped up with Scheif-Connor when Valardi went down. I remember Monahan-Connor-Perfetti having the big game against the Avs at the end of the year, but that combination only saw one more period if my memory serves me correct.

That's Monahan overall. Perfetti had a few games there but got demoted and eventually benched.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Agree. I'd be open to moving Lambert for a long term solution, but not for a rental.

Maybe he won't eventually make it, but I think it's crazy for people to point to his AHL stats this year as some sort of sole measuring stick. This Moose team is terrible.

Fine. Look at his stats last year too. Not bad - but not top prospect worthy. But, you say Moose were bad last year too. Okay, keep going back. His D+1 in the Dub was pretty good, but not outstanding. Then there were several years before that in Finland that were very poor. We have excuses for that too.

If he is so good, when does he start achieving in spite of the less than ideal circumstances?

This is his D+3 season. If he is going to make it in the top 6 he should be killing it this year in the A. Players who do make top 6 in the NHL succeed in the A even on bad teams.

 

[DRW204]

Fine. Look at his stats last year too. Not bad - but not top prospect worthy. But, you say Moose were bad last year too. Okay, keep going back. His D+1 in the Dub was pretty good, but not outstanding. Then there were several years before that in Finland that were very poor. We have excuses for that too.

If he is so good, when does he start achieving in spite of the less than ideal circumstances?

This is his D+3 season. If he is going to make it in the top 6 he should be killing it this year in the A. Players who do make top 6 in the NHL succeed in the A even on bad teams.

I don't have a qualified opinion on the Moose, so i will definitely defer to others.

However he's the youngest player on the Moose team and leading the team in points with 23 (3rd in ppg). The offensive ceiling isn't there for this Moose team it seems like. Last season he led the team with 55 pts in 64 gp as the youngest player on the team, i think that's pretty good?

Idk if any one is classifying Lambert as a elite prospect, i think he's one of our top prospects & a good one overall. perhaps the elite or generational ones are capable of carrying brutal offensive teams, and don't think anyone has Lambert in that tier.

who are some players who played and produced at a high level on comparable AHL teams to this year's Moose?

 

[ps241]

Oh I get why they seem to think they don't have time to live with the growing pains but what exactly has their impatient approach gotten us.

This org has been scrambling to find 2C's going back to 2018. We've spent Laine, Roslovic, three firsts, and some other draft capital to solve this issue and what do we have to show for it, no long term solution, one conference finals run, and a string of embarrassing playoff defeats. You can likely add McGroarty for Yager and possibly whatever we give up next week for another band aid to that asset list.

Given not only this teams performance but the sheer asset depletion would this org been any worse off if they were to actually live with the growing pains of integrating a young C?

I'm sure they saw plenty of things they didn't like in our kids but never gave them the time to grow into the roles. I'm sorry but less then 10 games combined at center isn't anywhere near enough time to make an accurate assessment. If that is what they are doing I'd say they probably need to update their methods.

My fear is we see the exact same pattern when it comes to integrating Yager.

So let me break up my response into two parts:

Assets waisted on rentals to plug the #2 centre hole for playoff runs.

I am 100% with you, its a waist of valuable assets in a market like Winnipeg its a killer.

Should we play the prospect pipe line at #2 center and hope they grow into the role.

I am less sold that we have had a young in house fit. Arniel is not Bones, but its not lost on me that neither one of them have been comfortable with Cole at Centre "yet". I am a Pefetti fan and notwithstanding this recent nice run he has struggled to play consistently enough in the top 6 yet, let alone to crack the centre position code. I will be the first to admit none of the prospects are getting the Logan Stanley audition at #2 centre but that makes sense since the position carries way more weight than a bottom pairing sheltered D man.

brings me back to my central point, we need 1st and 2nd round draft capital for trade packages for assets not two weeks in May rentals.