Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Salo - who knows. Hasn’t proven poopoo at nhl level. He may never make it.
Suggesting salo has no value. Was my interpretation.

Also talk bout childish using the word poopoo.

Exactly. That was you inferring something from what I said that was incorrect.

To assume anyone would equate iafallo and cozens seems unreasonable.

What’s more immature - poop or using profanity? Anyways….

The extreme inferences you are making from my post Reminds me of this:



Have a great day Adam!

 

[10Ducky10]

That's strong language. I've never called your ideas ridiculous.

Not only do I think they would need to add, I think the add would need to be substantial. I am obviously more impressed with Salmon than you are and you are obviously more impressed with Cozens than I am.

At first I was excited by the possibility of getting Cozens, a real, young 2C, with size and speed. Exactly what we need. Back up the Brinks truck. But after looking at his numbers, decreasing year over year, at an age where it should be doing the opposite I concluded that there must be something wrong. I don't know what it is and I don't want to pay to find out. We've had enough attitude from talented players. So I would pay a bunch of lower tier assets for him, but no top tier prospect or high pick, no valuable roster player.

I guess we agree to disagree.

Cozens got 13 points in a half a season and then 38 the next season and 68 the next.
Since then, he has not scored well at all.
I think it is due to Buffalo to be honest.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I guess we agree to disagree.

Cozens got 13 points in a half a season and then 38 the next season and 68 the next.
Since then, he has not scored well at all.
I think it is due to Buffalo to be honest.

He was really thriving under granato...

 

[DRW204]

Perfetti didn't really back up last year. He plateaued. It was 1 year. He hadn't broken out yet. Cozens did break out .... and then backed up each year after that for 2 consecutive years.

There are obviously things wrong in Buffalo. Is Cozens one of the things wrong? He IS regressing. That may or may not be a permanent thing. But he is producing less than he was. That is the definition of regressing. I would like to take a chance that he rebounds. I would not pay a high price to be able to do that. If it doesn't work out we are stuck with that contract he signed after his one good year.

We don't have such a deep asset pool that we can afford to take a swing and then take another if it doesn't work out. And then another. Good gambling advice is to never bet money you can't afford to lose. That's what we would be doing if we traded a top asset for Cozens. You can still win that bet. But if you lose, you are screwed.

i wouldn't mind cozens if his cost was reflective of his recent years due to Buffalo's ineptitude, and if the Jets view him worth that 7M deal long-term.

the difference in Cozens and Perfetti is really the PP this season where the Jets PP has been otherworldly. Even Namestnikov who is not the most skilled or gifted offensive player is at a 8.5 PP Pts/60. the Jets have 6 fwds in the top-20 league wide in PP pts/60 (minimum of 70 mins)!!

CP & DC's 5v5 production is kind of around each other, DC is actually a bit better in efficiency than last year, however his PP production has plummeted. whereas CPs has PP production rate has hockey-sticked up as I mentioned before and his 5v5 production has been regressing each year actually.

career-to-date: you can distinctly see DCs PP peak in 2022, and then plumetting each year after. DC PP scoring rate is the same as his 5v5 rate in 2024 - i don't expect that to continue at all. CP's 5v5 peak was 2022, slightly worse in 2023, and then worse in 2024.

 

[Jetland162702]

I would rather have Selanne back.

Maybe he could backup Comrie

 

[KingBogo]

But we also wouldn’t have been able to get top value for perfetti last year vs this year.

That's why it might be a perfect time to pry out Cozens from Buffalo. Buy low.

 

[Jets 31]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news... but whitehorse winters are considerably warmer than winnipeg...

Everyone's winters are warmer than Winnipeg's gosh darn it. Gotta stop talking about Scheifele , i can't swear right anymore.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

i wouldn't mind cozens if his cost was reflective of his recent years due to Buffalo's ineptitude, and if the Jets view him worth that 7M deal long-term.

the difference in Cozens and Perfetti is really the PP this season where the Jets PP has been otherworldly. Even Namestnikov who is not the most skilled or gifted offensive player is at a 8.5 PP Pts/60. the Jets have 6 fwds in the top-20 league wide in PP pts/60 (minimum of 70 mins)!!

CP & DC's 5v5 production is kind of around each other, DC is actually a bit better in efficiency than last year, however his PP production has plummeted. whereas CPs has PP production rate has hockey-sticked up as I mentioned before and his 5v5 production has been regressing each year actually.

career-to-date: you can distinctly see DCs PP peak in 2022, and then plumetting each year after. DC PP scoring rate is the same as his 5v5 rate in 2024 - i don't expect that to continue at all. CP's 5v5 peak was 2022, slightly worse in 2023, and then worse in 2024.

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Can you map that chart to winnipegs ppg and buffalos ppg?

Would be interesting to see if there’s any correlation. Which doesn’t imply causation obviously.

PS; gosh darn is winnipegs pp absolute fire.

 

[KingBogo]

Perfetti didn't really back up last year. He plateaued. It was 1 year. He hadn't broken out yet. Cozens did break out .... and then backed up each year after that for 2 consecutive years.

There are obviously things wrong in Buffalo. Is Cozens one of the things wrong? He IS regressing. That may or may not be a permanent thing. But he is producing less than he was. That is the definition of regressing. I would like to take a chance that he rebounds. I would not pay a high price to be able to do that. If it doesn't work out we are stuck with that contract he signed after his one good year.

We don't have such a deep asset pool that we can afford to take a swing and then take another if it doesn't work out. And then another. Good gambling advice is to never bet money you can't afford to lose. That's what we would be doing if we traded a top asset for Cozens. You can still win that bet. But if you lose, you are screwed.

That's not how regressing is commonly used in pro sports otherwise 1/2 or more of the league regresses year to year and many times throughout a long career. McDavid is going to be down on his normal point totals this season. Is he regressing? More likely players have ups and downs throughout a career most often due to circumstances beyond their control. Hopefully Chevy can buy low.

 

[Jets 31]

I guess I overstate it, us being listed as #1 team on trade lists every time a poll come out is just wrong, they secretly are willing to come here they just need to be asked politely... every time any insider talks about the jets they also mention how hard it is to get players to come here because of trade protection but yes they just made that up...

if you actually read some of the posts in the conversation you jumped into you would have read the line "the reason why the jets fill their needs thru rentals is because they are more likely to waive for 20-30 games to finish a season, those with term are much harder to convince to actually waive here" which is what happened with stastny, he waived to come here because it was only for the rest of the season and we had a chance to win, he then only came back after that because vegas needed to move money off the books

I don't get why you are brining up that players have chose to stay here, that not what jets have trouble with, they have trouble with getting people to come here in the 1st place

Agreed and can you imagine how hard it would be to keep players if we were a team in constant rebuild and only making the playoffs once in a while ? That's why i think Chevy has done a great job with this team, he hasn't even had to over pay players to stay . Really a incredible job if you ask me. We could have had a genius like Dubas and had 4 guys making up almost half of the cap .

 

[10Ducky10]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news... but whitehorse winters are considerably warmer than winnipeg...

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it usually snows in September and it stays in Whitehorse.
A good friend of mine lives there and believe me I would rather take our winter over theirs.

 

[Gil Fisher]

I'd be willing to risk our 1st, Barlow or Lambert. Not really interested in parting with any of Cole, Salomonsson, or Yager for Cozens.

Upon looking at his usage my guess he'd produce less here. He's predominantly played on Buffalo's top pp unit the last few seasons and over 17 minutes a game.

He'd be getting 15 per game here and would be on the second unit pp.

We might not be looking at at more then Namestnikov production from him given the role he'd play here.

Perfetti for Cozens seems more like a summer challenge trade than a deadline deal. I might revisit it, depending on how they play over the next few months

 

[Buffdog]

That's why it might be a perfect time to pry out Cozens from Buffalo. Buy low.

I'm not sure why they'd even move him at this point

It's not like doing so will bring back a piece or two that will make them contenders

Might as well hang on to him unless they get an offer that knocks their socks off... which won't come from Chevy

 

[10Ducky10]

Most Buffalo players had more points the year Cozens did.

Just look how many players excel once they leave there.

I'm not sure why they'd even move him at this point

It's not like doing so will bring back a piece or two that will make them contenders

Might as well hang on to him unless they get an offer that knocks their socks off... which won't come from Chevy

They need to do something and most people think it's going to be a trade.

 

[surixon]

Perfetti for Cozens seems more like a summer challenge trade than a deadline deal. I might revisit it, depending on how they play over the next few months

We wouldn't likely pursue him until the summer imo. But I doubt Chevy entertains a now pieces for him. Contending teams don't usually trade roster pieces. They add to their rosters.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news... but whitehorse winters are considerably warmer than winnipeg...

But I’d hate to be those losers in Yellowknife!!!

Edit: upon closer inspection - your post is mostly lies Bob!

 

[Buffdog]

Most Buffalo players had more points the year Cozens did.

Just look how many players excel once they leave there.


They need to do something and most people think it's going to be a trade.

They've been "doing something" for years

They need to step back and come up with an actual plan

Dealing Cozens just for the sake of dealing him won't put them any further ahead

 

[Gm0ney]

Pretty good analogy.

But I can see both sides of this. Florida won a cup while being willing to take some chances on high pedigree players that really hadn't been able to reach their upside in Bennett and Rhinehart. I can't remember what they gave up for these players but sometimes you need to take some risks. On the flip side there are countless high picks that never live up to their billing cough Laine, Puljarvi etc that just bounce around the league.

Reinhart was pretty good when Buffalo traded him. He'd established himself as a ~0.75 ppg player in his last 3 years there. And his NHL progression was 0.53 -> 0.59 -> 0.61 -> 0.79 -> 0.72 -> 0.74 (D+1 to D+6). Did he want out of Buffalo though? I think they traded him as an unsigned RFA.

I think you have just overstated it. I don't recall whether Stastny had the choice when we got him the first time. He did when we got him back. We have had plenty of players choose to stay here when they could have left. Not exactly the same thing, but similar.

Stastny had to waive his NTC to be traded to the Jets at the deadline in 2018. I think he considered re-signing here but ultimately chose Vegas. But he waived his NTC again when Vegas traded him here in 2020.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I guess we agree to disagree.

Cozens got 13 points in a half a season and then 38 the next season and 68 the next.
Since then, he has not scored well at all.
I think it is due to Buffalo to be honest.

The thing is that it is unknown. Why would he have appeared to be developing well in Buffalo and then turn down, still in Buffalo?

If we got him here, he might rebound and it would be a brilliant deal. But if not, he could be a disaster. He could not only fail to perform, he could also mess up the team chemistry we have. Not to mention the big contract we would have to carry. Who has to leave to make room for that contract?

It might be a reasonable gamble to take, if we knew the odds. But they are completely unknown. We just bet scarce assets and hope.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That's not how regressing is commonly used in pro sports otherwise 1/2 or more of the league regresses year to year and many times throughout a long career. McDavid is going to be down on his normal point totals this season. Is he regressing? More likely players have ups and downs throughout a career most often due to circumstances beyond their control. Hopefully Chevy can buy low.

There are ups and downs. That's different. For one thing, it is 2 consecutive down years. For another, it is a player who is at a stage where you expect improvement to be continuing. It isn't often perfectly linear but he is except for 1 good year. It now appears to have been an outlier.

I would leap at the chance to get him, and take the risk on his contract, if Chevy could buy low. I would not pay either Perfetti or Salomonsson for him. Lambert + Heinola + 3rd, or something similar, sure. They want a RD? I'd give them Miller as part of the package and bring up Coghlan.

 

[surixon]

They've been "doing something" for years

They need to step back and come up with an actual plan

Dealing Cozens just for the sake of dealing him won't put them any further ahead

Yup, they really should be trying to get his game turned around. Instead of running him out of town, go out this summer and grab a vet to ride shotgun with him.

They have control, start trying to solve issues not making more.

 

[Adam da bomb]

That's why it might be a perfect time to pry out Cozens from Buffalo. Buy low.

As @surixon said Lambert and a 1st or 2nd is more digestible then Salo

 

[KingBogo]

They've been "doing something" for years

They need to step back and come up with an actual plan

Dealing Cozens just for the sake of dealing him won't put them any further ahead

That's the thing about Buffalo, they seem to do this type of stupid stuff all the time. IMO they make the perfect trading partner, they squander their resources for pennies on the dollar.

 

[surixon]

That's the thing about Buffalo, they seem to do this type of stupid stuff all the time. IMO they make the perfect trading partner, they squander their resources for pennies on the dollar.

Funny enough they seem to do fine with dmen. Rasmus, Power and Byram all doing quite well. All their young forwards sans Peterka are doing pretty horribly. I'm sure Savoie was quite happy to get out of that developmental market before he hit pro.

 

[Buffdog]

As @surixon said Lambert and a 1st or 2nd is more digestible then Salo

I feel like they already have 6-8 "Lamberts" though

That's why I think they'd ask for Salo