Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Mad Dog Tannen]

No it’s saying if u are only weighing players once they make nhl, well Iafallo is in nhl not’s top prospect isn’t.

No one’s doing that but you.

 

[Gm0ney]

Umm. One is a bonified nhl player. His peak may be .5 ppg or .8. Def trending down. Regardless at the end of the day you have someone you can use in your nhl line up.

Salo - who knows. Hasn’t proven poopoo at nhl level. He may never make it.

One definitely has a more tangible clear value…..AINEC.

Like what are we even talking about here.

$7.1m for 5 more years on a .5 ppg player is not great. Trading a bunch of stuff to get that guy is even worse.

Salomonsson has proven himself pretty well at every level he's played at. Nothing is certain but he's a good bet to make at at the next level too.

 

[surixon]

Cozens still has some value, but contracts are king in the league these days. Teams trade contracts more then players. Cozens contract is a big negative at this point. It along with his declining play will reduce his value.

Look at the Dubois trade last summer, LA got pennies on the dollar due mostly to PLD lengthy high value contract coming off a poor year.

If they deal Cozens off of two poor years with that cap hit and term they won't get close to fair value.

 

[Adam da bomb]

No one’s doing that but you.

That’s what u said in post bout how salo has done poop in nhl. As if the only thing that exists is what a prospect does in the show.

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

What teams gunning for the cup take fliers at the deadline on struggling young players to help get them over the hump? All this Cozens talk makes little sense to me for an in season deal. Chevy would be targeting proven vets for a playoff run.

I could see looking at Dylan in the summer but not as a deadline add.

Yeah the only way I could see Chevy acquiring Cozens prior to or at the TDL is if the price is right and from what we are hearing the price is most certainly not right, and fair enough as BUF have no real urgency to trade him and can just hold and see what happens.

I honestly don't see any contender paying what BUF are asking, those pushing for the cup can't afford to give up proven assets for a young and struggling top 6 centre, now if it were just pick/prospect type deal then I could see it being a done deal already.

 

[voyageur]

Morrissey/Parayko paired for team Canada

Let the speculation begin

I would expect the Blues to make him their captain if they trade Schenn.

Watching some highlights I think Buchnevich get traded because he's checked out.

Blues likely trade Suter and Faksa. Both have some Central division playoffs under their belt. Faksa has been good on the draw. Don't see Chevy making a play there but I could see Avs or Wild adding him.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

$7.1m for 5 more years on a .5 ppg player is not great. Trading a bunch of stuff to get that guy is even worse.

Salomonsson has proven himself pretty well at every level he's played at. Nothing is certain but he's a good bet to make at at the next level too.

That can all be true - but if anyone here actually thinks a cozens trade would be made for salo with buff adding - they are crazy.

I don’t disagree with the premise of it not being a good trade or a hockey trade for Winnipeg.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I wouldn't want to trade Yager or Salmon but to say Buffalo adds is ridiculous.

I'm not sure which player I have ranked higher but probably Yager.

That's strong language. I've never called your ideas ridiculous.

Not only do I think they would need to add, I think the add would need to be substantial. I am obviously more impressed with Salmon than you are and you are obviously more impressed with Cozens than I am.

At first I was excited by the possibility of getting Cozens, a real, young 2C, with size and speed. Exactly what we need. Back up the Brinks truck. But after looking at his numbers, decreasing year over year, at an age where it should be doing the opposite I concluded that there must be something wrong. I don't know what it is and I don't want to pay to find out. We've had enough attitude from talented players. So I would pay a bunch of lower tier assets for him, but no top tier prospect or high pick, no valuable roster player.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

That’s what u said in post bout how salo has done poop in nhl.

Don’t put words in my mouth or tell ME what I’m saying.

Work on your own arguments, that’s a childish way to debate a point.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Don’t put words in my mouth or tell ME what I’m saying.

Work on your own arguments, that’s a childish way to debate a point.

Salo - who knows. Hasn’t proven poopoo at nhl level. He may never make it.
Suggesting salo has no value. Was my interpretation.

Also talk bout childish using the word poopoo.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Not sure it is fair to say a player is regressing while still in their early 20s. Was Perfetti regressing last season or was just in a tough position to establish himself? Buffalo is a dumpster fire and id be more inclined to see that as what is holding Cozens back.

Perfetti didn't really back up last year. He plateaued. It was 1 year. He hadn't broken out yet. Cozens did break out .... and then backed up each year after that for 2 consecutive years.

There are obviously things wrong in Buffalo. Is Cozens one of the things wrong? He IS regressing. That may or may not be a permanent thing. But he is producing less than he was. That is the definition of regressing. I would like to take a chance that he rebounds. I would not pay a high price to be able to do that. If it doesn't work out we are stuck with that contract he signed after his one good year.

We don't have such a deep asset pool that we can afford to take a swing and then take another if it doesn't work out. And then another. Good gambling advice is to never bet money you can't afford to lose. That's what we would be doing if we traded a top asset for Cozens. You can still win that bet. But if you lose, you are screwed.

 

[Jets 31]

Salo - who knows. Hasn’t proven poopoo at nhl level. He may never make it.
Suggesting salo has no value. Was my interpretation.

Also talk bout childish using the word poopoo.

We've been talking about Scheifele so people are getting into not swearing.

 

[voyageur]

Cozens still has some value, but contracts are king in the league these days. Teams trade contracts more then players. Cozens contract is a big negative at this point. It along with his declining play will reduce his value.

Look at the Dubois trade last summer, LA got pennies on the dollar due mostly to PLD lengthy high value contract coming off a poor year.

If they deal Cozens off of two poor years with that cap hit and term they won't get close to fair value.

It depends on the team. If Cozens got traded to Chicago I think that would be a good contract for them. Needing someone who can play with Bedard. For Utah that might be a good contract. They could definitely send a RD back, after their offseason and develpment.

I think he could be a good add fora team that has to get to the Cap floor next year. Say Anaheim for Zegras. Buffalo can't afford to give him up for futures that's for sure.

Dubois was such a bad locker room fit, and he's got a reputation now for giving up on teams. I think that lowered his value one year after signing in L.A.. But I could see him resurfacing on Team Canada's watchlist the way he is playing. Given the lack of LW depth that Canada has.

 

[Adam da bomb]

We've been talking about Scheifele so people are getting into not swearing.

I’d take a good f*** or shit over an over a poopoo.

 

[surixon]

It depends on the team. If Cozens got traded to Chicago I think that would be a good contract for them. Needing someone who can play with Bedard. For Utah that might be a good contract. They could definitely send a RD back, after their offseason and develpment.

I think he could be a good add for a team that has to get to the Cap floor next year. Say Anaheim for Zegras. Buffalo can't afford to get him up for futures that's for sure.

Dubois was such a bad locker room fit, and he's got a reputation now for giving up on teams. I think that lowered his value one year after signing in L.A.. But I could see him resurfacing on Team Canada's watchlist the way he is playing. Given the lack of LW depth that Canada has.

Yeah I could see a rebuilding team doing a swap of struggling players like Zegras for Cozens type deal.

But I'd say rebuilding teams are far less likely to give up now pieces for him/they likely don't have good now pieces to give up.

Perfetti didn't really back up last year. He plateaued. It was 1 year. He hadn't broken out yet. Cozens did break out .... and then backed up each year after that for 2 consecutive years.

There are obviously things wrong in Buffalo. Is Cozens one of the things wrong? He IS regressing. That may or may not be a permanent thing. But he is producing less than he was. That is the definition of regressing. I would like to take a chance that he rebounds. I would not pay a high price to be able to do that. If it doesn't work out we are stuck with that contract he signed after his one good year.

We don't have such a deep asset pool that we can afford to take a swing and then take another if it doesn't work out. And then another. Good gambling advice is to never bet money you can't afford to lose. That's what we would be doing if we traded a top asset for Cozens. You can still win that bet. But if you lose, you are screwed.

Pretty good analogy.

But I can see both sides of this. Florida won a cup while being willing to take some chances on high pedigree players that really hadn't been able to reach their upside in Bennett and Rhinehart. I can't remember what they gave up for these players but sometimes you need to take some risks. On the flip side there are countless high picks that never live up to their billing cough Laine, Puljarvi etc that just bounce around the league.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I mean were a contender this year and were still 50% of players 1st choice... I love how these polls come out every year and we are always on the top of the list yet you always post how it gets exaggerated and players would want to come based on nothing at all...

like we might be able to convince players at schmidt's level to waive but we have no chance at getting any elite players to waive here

I think you have just overstated it. I don't recall whether Stastny had the choice when we got him the first time. He did when we got him back. We have had plenty of players choose to stay here when they could have left. Not exactly the same thing, but similar.

I'm not denying that we are handicapped. But it isn't the absolute that you state. And the situation is offset by the advantage of Jets having been saved from themselves several times when past their peak players chose somewhere else for their boat anchor final contracts.

You said it yourself, we are a contender. We are in 1st place in the league. That in spite of our handicap, so maybe it is not the handicap it is perceived to be.

Vilardi is going to be a test. Apparently his GF is less than thrilled with Wpg. Our issue is probably more with wives and GFs than it is with players themselves.

 

[Jets 31]

Honestly guys and maybe girls do we even need to make a deadline trade? We are the best team in the NHL right now and have won 8 games in a row so it's not like we need a boost to get out of the second half doldrums either. I say re-sign Ehlers Chevy and then sit back and see if a team gives you a deal you can't refuse for someone.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yeah I could see a rebuilding team doing a swap of struggling players like Zegras for Cozens type deal.

But I'd say rebuilding teams are far less likely to give up now pieces for him/they likely don't have good now pieces to give up.



Pretty good analogy.

But I can see both sides of this. Florida won a cup while being willing to take some chances on high pedigree players that really hadn't been able to reach their upside in Bennett and Rhinehart. I can't remember what they gave up for these players but sometimes you need to take some risks. On the flip side there are countless high picks that never live up to their billing cough Laine, Puljarvi etc that just bounce around the league.

Bennett was traded for heineman and a 2nd. How good is Heineman?

 

[surixon]

Bennett was traded for heineman and a 2nd. How good is Heineman?

Probably not good as I don't recognize the name.

Rhinehart went for Levi and a first.

So my guess is based on that is Cozens may get say Lambert and a first from us for him.

So nothing too crazy.

 

[gojetsgo]

I think you have just overstated it. I don't recall whether Stastny had the choice when we got him the first time. He did when we got him back. We have had plenty of players choose to stay here when they could have left. Not exactly the same thing, but similar.

I'm not denying that we are handicapped. But it isn't the absolute that you state. And the situation is offset by the advantage of Jets having been saved from themselves several times when past their peak players chose somewhere else for their boat anchor final contracts.

You said it yourself, we are a contender. We are in 1st place in the league. That in spite of our handicap, so maybe it is not the handicap it is perceived to be.

Vilardi is going to be a test. Apparently his GF is less than thrilled with Wpg. Our issue is probably more with wives and GFs than it is with players themselves.

I guess I overstate it, us being listed as #1 team on trade lists every time a poll come out is just wrong, they secretly are willing to come here they just need to be asked politely... every time any insider talks about the jets they also mention how hard it is to get players to come here because of trade protection but yes they just made that up...

if you actually read some of the posts in the conversation you jumped into you would have read the line "the reason why the jets fill their needs thru rentals is because they are more likely to waive for 20-30 games to finish a season, those with term are much harder to convince to actually waive here" which is what happened with stastny, he waived to come here because it was only for the rest of the season and we had a chance to win, he then only came back after that because vegas needed to move money off the books

I don't get why you are brining up that players have chose to stay here, that not what jets have trouble with, they have trouble with getting people to come here in the 1st place

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Pretty good analogy.

But I can see both sides of this. Florida won a cup while being willing to take some chances on high pedigree players that really hadn't been able to reach their upside in Bennett and Rhinehart. I can't remember what they gave up for these players but sometimes you need to take some risks. On the flip side there are countless high picks that never live up to their billing cough Laine, Puljarvi etc that just bounce around the league.

Bennet - Traded from Calgary Flames with round 6 pick in the 2022 draft (Gustav Karlsson) to Florida Panthers for Emil Heineman and round 2 pick in the 2022 draft (David Goyette)

Reinhart - Traded from Buffalo Sabres to Florida Panthers for Devon Levi and round 1 pick in the 2022 draft (Jiri Kulich)

I am all for taking some chances. No risk, no reward. But that would mean paying a lower price to take on a risk like Cozens. I feel much the same way about Zegras. Demonstrated talent, but something is wrong. I would risk paying something for him too. But not top tier assets. You don't pay what they would be worth if the questions didn't exist, or what they will be worth IF they rebound for you. I would risk paying a boatload for a proven talent at a position of need.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Reasons I like Cozens:

1. Big, good skater
2. Young
3. Signed long term (set at 2C for a while)
4. Grew up in Whitehorse - might view Winnipeg winters as "tropical"

That said, he could be overpaid if he doesn't return to form (although his cap hit will seem smaller if the cap jumps like it should), and it's gonna cost us something meaningful to aquire him

Agree with all that.

Cozens is somewhere on the spectrum between budding superstar and cap dump. I have no idea where, and can't be bothered to watch enough Sabres games to figure it out. I trust Chevy's boys will have a good idea though.

I also wouldn't risk Salomonsson on that, but might risk Perfetti, or any other prospect.

 

[voyageur]

I am going to be watching Mario Ferraro in the Sharks game, because if you want to have a bigger defenseman for the playoff grind he fits the bill. Hits and blocks shots. PKing d-man.

 

[surixon]

Agree with all that.

Cozens is somewhere on the spectrum between budding superstar and cap dump. I have no idea where, and can't be bothered to watch enough Sabres games to figure it out. I trust Chevy's boys will have a good idea though.

I also wouldn't risk Salomonsson on that, but might risk Perfetti, or any other prospect.

I'd be willing to risk our 1st, Barlow or Lambert. Not really interested in parting with any of Cole, Salomonsson, or Yager for Cozens.

Upon looking at his usage my guess he'd produce less here. He's predominantly played on Buffalo's top pp unit the last few seasons and over 17 minutes a game.

He'd be getting 15 per game here and would be on the second unit pp.

We might not be looking at no more then Namestnikov production from him given the role he'd play here.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Agree with all that.

Cozens is somewhere on the spectrum between budding superstar and cap dump. I have no idea where, and can't be bothered to watch enough Sabres games to figure it out. I trust Chevy's boys will have a good idea though.

I also wouldn't risk Salomonsson on that, but might risk Perfetti, or any other prospect.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news... but whitehorse winters are considerably warmer than winnipeg...