Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[10Ducky10]

I really cannot see the Jets doing this.

Neither do I but I 'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[voyageur]

O’Reilly is probably my top target as well. He’s pretty solid on the dot too which never hurts.

Second bargain hunting target would be Granlund. Different style player, but still appears to be effective. Only concern is another smallish skilled guy for that 2nd line.

I think Granlund is a player the Jets could land on. There's more offense from him than Namestnikov, worse on the dot though.

Somewhere along his career he played with Nino, either in Minny or Nashville or maybe both. Which I think offers some potential of rearranging the line where you put Nino with Ehlers, with Granlund. I'd see a potential fit there. You could keep Perfetti-Namestnikov together, I think you could play them easily as a 3rd/4th line, and have Lowry between Iafallo or Barrron and Appleon in a shutdown role, but the latter would be negating some of Lowry's offense this year, and that's been important to this team in the role he plays. However it would fit a 4 line mentality that I think the Jets need to stay fresh enough to skate through the playoffs, and the wingers would be more interchangeable to some extent.

The thing about Granlund is he isn't a game breaker. I'd need somebody else's opinion of what he really excels at, because other than skating I'm not sure. He does fit the penalty kill mold that would be some necessity if Kupari is the odd man out, instead of Barron, which is probably still a competition at this time.

And he seems like an absolute potential disaster for a 1st round pick, but if Chevy could hold the market which doesn't have a lot of competition in terms of availability, maybe hold the Sharks to a 2nd next year/prospect trade, that might be more palatable, if disaster is in fact his impact. At the price of doing more than nothing. Maybe he's a different player from the Minnesota days, I haven't followed his career too closely.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Maybe Trotz and Chevy became BFFs during that head coach interview process that seemed to drag on for 9 weeks

OR maybe Trotz feels like he owes us a favour since he strung us along

OR (most likely, as judged by his moves so far) Trotz isn't a very good GM

Or he can now see that he isn't going to be competitive before ROR ages out anyway. So why not let us help him recover from this season.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This is where I align on this. If you drive a car for 200k miles and then send it to the crusher, you didn't lose it for nothing. You got lots of mileage out of it.

If Ehlers walks, we got years and years of production and entertainment out of that draft pick, which is more than you can say for the majority of picks.

We got a good return on that draft pick. That does not mean we got good return on the asset that is Ehlers today.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It's great to throw around all these names but I'm 99% sure none of the players mentioned will ever wear Jets jerseys

You're a bit pessimistic. I've done the math and it is 96% certainty.

You're right, only one of those players has scored 30+ 3 times and broken 40 once, and his name isn't Nikolaj.

Yeah, that 34 YO.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think you have to get to the offseason. And people are still certain that KC is going to re-sign here. But if the Jets lose Ehlers does KC still think the Jets are contenders? Red Wings have some real nice prospects to build with. I'd say Sandin-Pellika is probably higher rated than Salomonsson, and they have some more up front, and a couple of goalie prospects. Another stinker playoff, and maybe he packs up home, with his Michigan wife, married last summer, surrounded by Detroit Red Wings guys he practices with in the offseason.

Then Chevy is truly up shit's creek. It's funny though because if the Jets lost KC I think Perfetti would be the next man up on that top line because of Scheif's preferences, not Ehlers, but the Jets would probably double down on Nik to build a 2nd line out of. With prospects and whatever trade return you'd get.

That's the one I'm watching.

Maybe my homer glasses but for all around game I think Salo is better than ASP. But time will tell.

Can't know with any certainty, but I think KC stays.

Unless he has a good idea that he can still sign Nik, he should have traded him in the off-season. The same will apply to KC next off-season. There is an argument for moving on from players at that stage. Get the best years out of them and then move them before their highest cost contracts. That goes double for players who aren't going to stay at that point in their careers.

We currently have 8 pending UFAs and 4 RFAs. That includes Toninato and Coghlan who are injury callups but even 6 UFAs and 4 RFAs is a lot to deal with. There could be room for a lot of prospects next year.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Maybe my homer glasses but for all around game I think Salo is better than ASP. But time will tell.

Can't know with any certainty, but I think KC stays.

Unless he has a good idea that he can still sign Nik, he should have traded him in the off-season. The same will apply to KC next off-season. There is an argument for moving on from players at that stage. Get the best years out of them and then move them before their highest cost contracts. That goes double for players who aren't going to stay at that point in their careers.

We currently have 8 pending UFAs and 4 RFAs. That includes Toninato and Coghlan who are injury callups but even 6 UFAs and 4 RFAs is a lot to deal with. There could be room for a lot of prospects next year.

I can see kc staying. He has been treated well and it’s here or Michigan and Detroit looks further from playoffs. If schief and Helly resigned can’t see a problem.

 

[Jet]

We got a good return on that draft pick. That does not mean we got good return on the asset that is Ehlers today.

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to get a return for Ehlers, I'm saying that if he walks its not like we squandered an asset

 

[jokesondee]

O’Reilly is probably my top target as well. He’s pretty solid on the dot too which never hurts.

Second bargain hunting target would be Granlund. Different style player, but still appears to be effective. Only concern is another smallish skilled guy for that 2nd line.

Granlund would be a nice add. Always liked his game from a far. Plays bigger than his size. He would likely just be a rental though as his contract is up after this season.

 

[Thechozen1]

I know we all want to land that dream top 4 defenseman (Weeger, R. Andersson, Parayko, Pulock etc ) to propel the playoff drive, but that likely just that, a dream.

As far as dept defensemen go would someone like Rutta be an effective low cost addition that could PK and bring more physicality? Any opinions on Connor Murphy?

Pettersson, Risto and Provorov are all preferred, but at what cost????

 

[WolfHouse]

I know we all want to land that dream top 4 defenseman (Weeger, R. Andersson, Parayko, Pulock etc ) to propel the playoff drive, but that likely just that, a dream.

As far as dept defensemen go would someone like Rutta be an effective low cost addition that could PK and bring more physicality? Any opinions on Connor Murphy?

Pettersson, Risto and Provorov are all preferred, but at what cost????

Really wanted murphy a couple years ago but his game has really fallen off - could just be chiicago atmosphere but pretty risky

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to get a return for Ehlers, I'm saying that if he walks its not like we squandered an asset

OK, but I would look at it from a little different angle. I would see him as an own rental. We spent whatever it is that he is worth in trade to keep him through this PO. We gave up a 1st and 3rd last year for Monahan. Did we squander those picks?

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

I couldn't care less about the extra first + B prospect we could add from an Ehlers trade, this will be our best chance at a cup for the foreseeable future and I do not want to subtract one of our best players from the roster

 

[Pongs21]

I think Granlund is a player the Jets could land on. There's more offense from him than Namestnikov, worse on the dot though.

Somewhere along his career he played with Nino, either in Minny or Nashville or maybe both. Which I think offers some potential of rearranging the line where you put Nino with Ehlers, with Granlund. I'd see a potential fit there. You could keep Perfetti-Namestnikov together, I think you could play them easily as a 3rd/4th line, and have Lowry between Iafallo or Barrron and Appleon in a shutdown role, but the latter would be negating some of Lowry's offense this year, and that's been important to this team in the role he plays. However it would fit a 4 line mentality that I think the Jets need to stay fresh enough to skate through the playoffs, and the wingers would be more interchangeable to some extent.

The thing about Granlund is he isn't a game breaker. I'd need somebody else's opinion of what he really excels at, because other than skating I'm not sure. He does fit the penalty kill mold that would be some necessity if Kupari is the odd man out, instead of Barron, which is probably still a competition at this time.

And he seems like an absolute potential disaster for a 1st round pick, but if Chevy could hold the market which doesn't have a lot of competition in terms of availability, maybe hold the Sharks to a 2nd next year/prospect trade, that might be more palatable, if disaster is in fact his impact. At the price of doing more than nothing. Maybe he's a different player from the Minnesota days, I haven't followed his career too closely.

I'd much prefer Granlund over ROR. We can't afford to get any slower - we all saw how that turned out last year. I think Granlund would be cheaper to acquire, and would fit the mold of us being a faster team. Even Chevy commented at the beginning of the year about how the Jets need to play fast. I also think we make better trade partners with SJ, given we aren't division rivals, and in addition, we can afford to part with some younger guys in Kupari, Gus, Stanley and Heinola, that they may see more value in, that can be added with a pick(s) and prospect(s).

 

[10Ducky10]

Pettersson, Risto and Provorov are all preferred, but at what cost????

No to Murphy and Risto.
Petterson and/or Provorov would be okay depending on the cost.
Andersson from Calgary would be ideal.

in addition, we can afford to part with some younger guys in Kupari, Gus, Stanley and Heinola, that they may see more value in, that can be added with a pick(s) and prospect(s).

Isn't that kind of a steep price to pay for Granny/

 

[Adam da bomb]

No to Murphy and Risto.
Petterson and/or Provorov would be okay depending on the cost.
Andersson from Calgary would be ideal.


Isn't that kind of a steep price to pay for Granny/

I think it means we can part with any not all.

 

[voyageur]

I'd much prefer Granlund over ROR. We can't afford to get any slower - we all saw how that turned out last year. I think Granlund would be cheaper to acquire, and would fit the mold of us being a faster team. Even Chevy commented at the beginning of the year about how the Jets need to play fast. I also think we make better trade partners with SJ, given we aren't division rivals, and in addition, we can afford to part with some younger guys in Kupari, Gus, Stanley and Heinola, that they may see more value in, that can be added with a pick(s) and prospect(s).

I don't think the Jets part with a single roster player because as you can see each injury requires depth. As long as it isn't for a 1st I'm ok with a trade that adds depth to a position the Jets need depth at. Still not sure Granlund is overwhelmingly better than Namestnikov, but at least interchangeable.

Prospects, the Jets have a couple they could move, especially some of the unsigned ones.

 

[KingBogo]

I couldn't care less about the extra first + B prospect we could add from an Ehlers trade, this will be our best chance at a cup for the foreseeable future and I do not want to subtract one of our best players from the roster

So maybe Chevy should just re-sign him? 2 problems solved.

 

[Pongs21]

No to Murphy and Risto.
Petterson and/or Provorov would be okay depending on the cost.
Andersson from Calgary would be ideal.


Isn't that kind of a steep price to pay for Granny/

As Adam da bomb mentioned, it's just pieces we can part with. Not all of them obviously. Could be a combination of one of those players, a pick and a prospect.

 

[CanMerc]

Jets need and have needed a 2C and top 4 RHD upgrade since Buff left and we’ve been throwing away 1sts on rental for years…time to either bite the bullet and make the big trades, (Andersson, Dobson, Pulock, Pettersson, Miller, etc…) or knuckle down and dedicate to developing, (Yager, Lambert, Salomonsson, etc..)
Chevy has been playing the field hoping something falls into his lap and wasting time and assets in the process.
Chevy needs to decide on this year as far as if we are making a run or building for next year… if we are making a run we don’t need to trade Ehlers until after the playoffs, anything before is stupid as it lowers our chances in the playoffs…if building for next year then he’s fair game.
Samberg should be untouchable, both because he’s showing he’s developing into a good player and moving him opens another hole to address.
Our focus should be top 6C and top 4 RHD… nothing else. Anything else is a waste of assets until we finally address those 2 glaring issues.


My personal choices, in a fantasy land of availability would be Dobson and EP. 2 proven young players who fill our needs perfectly.

I like Andersson over Weegar, though Weegar is more a defensive player, I think Andersson fits the team better.
I don’t see Pulock waiving for WPG so I don’t see that happening.
Toews is interesting as he brings pedigree and leadership, but he hasn’t played in a while and it would heavily depend on what his ask would be.
ROR could work if we are waiting on Yager to develop.
Ristolainen is not an upgrade and is thus a waste of assets.
Granlund is not a long term fix and is thus a waste of assets.

 

[Pongs21]

I don't think the Jets part with a single roster player because as you can see each injury requires depth. As long as it isn't for a 1st I'm ok with a trade that adds depth to a position the Jets need depth at. Still not sure Granlund is overwhelmingly better than Namestnikov, but at least interchangeable.

Prospects, the Jets have a couple they could move, especially some of the unsigned ones.

While I mostly agree with you, I guess it's going to depend on the play of Heinola and Stanley, overall player health, and where the org see's Fleury in the 5-8 range on the D.

While we have draft capital and prospects that we can certainly part with, there's only so many roster spots available. Adding 1 or 2 players will require someone or even potentially multiple people having to go down (assuming everyone on the team is healthy), and at the moment I don't think that any of Kupari, Gus, Heinola, Stanley or even Fleury would pass through waivers

I think the Jets end up parting with at least one of these players, if not 2. They are not key cogs on the team that will significantly disrupt the room. I feel like these players are much more likely to be used in a trade than Nino and Iafallo like others here have been tossing around. I think given their draft positions, youth and untaped potential, they could be used to sweeten an offer in a deal for lets say Grandlund, where you could potentially pull it off without involving a 1st rounder, and may be more valuable to a rebuilding team like the Sharks.

 

[Whileee]

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to get a return for Ehlers, I'm saying that if he walks its not like we squandered an asset

I do agree with this. The Jets have gotten 10 very good seasons from Ehlers at a very good cap hit. His cost/performance ratio is very likely to decline in his next contract, either with Winnipeg or with another franchise.

That said, he could bring substantial assets for now and the future. The big question is whether that would undermine or augment the Jets' competitiveness this season, and by how much. Right now, Ehlers ranks 10th in xGAR and 4th in GAR on the Jets (total, not per minute). His impact is limited by usage, and if the coaches continue to use him as a 3rd-liner with a PP role then his value will remain limited. However, if the Jets can find a rla good 2nd-line complement for him and use him more, his value this season increases.

But my sense is that the Jets' coaches don't see him as a really core forward, and therefore he might be more valuable from a trade than from continuing his current role with the Jets.

 

[voyageur]

While I mostly agree with you, I guess it's going to depend on the play of Heinola and Stanley, overall player health, and where the org see's Fleury in the 5-8 range on the D.

While we have draft capital and prospects that we can certainly part with, there's only so many roster spots available. Adding 1 or 2 players will require someone or even potentially multiple people having to go down (assuming everyone on the team is healthy), and at the moment I don't think that any of Kupari, Gus, Heinola, Stanley or even Fleury would pass through waivers

I think the Jets end up parting with at least one of these players, if not 2. They are not key cogs on the team that will significantly disrupt the room. I feel like these players are much more likely to be used in a trade than Nino and Iafallo like others here have been tossing around. I think given their draft positions, youth and untaped potential, they could be used to sweeten an offer in a deal for lets say Grandlund, where you could potentially pull it off without involving a 1st rounder, and may be more valuable to a rebuilding team like the Sharks.

The rosters can be extended after the deadline. Cap space is the only limit.

Kupari for me is extremely safe as the de facto RH center on defensive zone draws. Stanley is safe, to the chagrin of many.

I feel like Heinola and Gustafsson are safe, signed for next year. Even if not contributing much, part of team.

Levis and Rashevsky are the prospects I'd move.
Maybe Parker Ford who seems buried in the mix.

I don't think Granlund has a high value like some of the other potential trade candidates. He's made it out of the 1st round twice in his playoff career history, which is the first two years, the last time being 10 years ago.

But I don't want to put the cart before the horse here.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think Heinola is best used as a trade chip. I can easily see him going to a rebuilding team and being an everyday player and potentially developing into something. I don't think we can afford to give him the 20 games in a row that he would need to play to potentially, no guarantees, to become something. Here we are too focused on winning and there is no way he should be playing over any other option when we just care about winning now.
I think it's a situation that Chis and Kov landed themselves in which is that Minnesota and Mtl were rebuilding. Minnesota had injuries and have missed the playoffs more than us recently.
Or he could fail to work out. Hopefully someone would give us a 1st (wishful) or a second. We don't need to trade him, but, if they are not going to play him he is just a de-appreciating asset.

While I mostly agree with you, I guess it's going to depend on the play of Heinola and Stanley, overall player health, and where the org see's Fleury in the 5-8 range on the D.

While we have draft capital and prospects that we can certainly part with, there's only so many roster spots available. Adding 1 or 2 players will require someone or even potentially multiple people having to go down (assuming everyone on the team is healthy), and at the moment I don't think that any of Kupari, Gus, Heinola, Stanley or even Fleury would pass through waivers

I think the Jets end up parting with at least one of these players, if not 2. They are not key cogs on the team that will significantly disrupt the room. I feel like these players are much more likely to be used in a trade than Nino and Iafallo like others here have been tossing around. I think given their draft positions, youth and untaped potential, they could be used to sweeten an offer in a deal for lets say Grandlund, where you could potentially pull it off without involving a 1st rounder, and may be more valuable to a rebuilding team like the Sharks.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I do agree with this. The Jets have gotten 10 very good seasons from Ehlers at a very good cap hit. His cost/performance ratio is very likely to decline in his next contract, either with Winnipeg or with another franchise.

That said, he could bring substantial assets for now and the future. The big question is whether that would undermine or augment the Jets' competitiveness this season, and by how much. Right now, Ehlers ranks 10th in xGAR and 4th in GAR on the Jets (total, not per minute). His impact is limited by usage, and if the coaches continue to use him as a 3rd-liner with a PP role then his value will remain limited. However, if the Jets can find a rla good 2nd-line complement for him and use him more, his value this season increases.

But my sense is that the Jets' coaches don't see him as a really core forward, and therefore he might be more valuable from a trade than from continuing his current role with the Jets.

I think putting Lowry on that line was an attempt to give Ehlers more minutes by also giving them more defensive minutes.
I wonder if his individual numbers mask a bigger problem with him which is that he likes to lone wolf it which makes the other stars more reluctant to play with him. I also, think that the look we had when he was injured and Perfetti and the line had to play together instead of relying on the lone wolf and just being there to support, had a lot of potential.