Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[10Ducky10]

If we're acquiring a young 2C, we can include Yager in the deal.

Iafallo, Yager, Barlow?

If we extend Ehlers, we could include Lambert in a deal.

The Sabres won't want up and comers, they will want someone playing in the NHL already.
They have tons of prospects.

Buffalo would likely want Salomonsson as the opening piece. They are stacked at LD but don't have a young defensive minded RD to play with Power/Rasmus. They would likely also want one of Lambert/Yager to fill the hole. They have a tonne of skilled wingers so likely have zero interest in Chibrikov, Barlow etc.

They won't want someone a year or two away from making the big team.
They'll want vets.

 

[Flair Hay]

Agreed. The window for our core players is now. Enough with the half-assed measures. Suck it up, find a bonafide proven 2C with term at a manageable cap hit and pay the hefty price. Sometimes you just gotta take a swing, and the time is now. I have no problem with giving up high picks and guys like Perfetti, Yager, Lambert, Chibrikov, etc. Those guys are nowhere close to putting us over the top, and theres a good chance they never will anyways.

Petterson is basically the best buy low on a star center with term and no trade protection since Eichel

Before that was ROR.

Not that it is the be all end all, but both have collected some hardware since

 

[Weezeric]

I don't think that the org is one to do things for optics

As stated, trading Ehlers when you're sitting at the top of the standings doesn't look good either. And it certainly sends a terrible message to the locker room

Chevy will have to handle this deftly... but realistically, if he trades Ehlers he'll get a 1st and a b prospect. Would he trade he trade that at the deadline for Ehlers for a playoff run if he don't have him? If the answer is yes, then it's OK to keep him

Will Ehlers fetch a 1st+? I’m not so sure. Why is he worth so much more than Toffoli was last year? I think people overvalue their wingers, especially one who has broken 60 points once in the last six seasons…

 

[Flair Hay]

Will Ehlers fetch a 1st+? I’m not so sure. Why is he worth so much more than Toffoli was last year? I think people overvalue their wingers, especially one who has broken 60 points once in the last six seasons…

All the more reason to hang on to him if GMs think this way

 

[jokesondee]

Over the top of what?

Ehlers had 0 goals in the playoffs last year. Pionk was public enemy #1. Are the Jets one player from a Stanley Cup run? 2? Is the team even built for the playoffs, or is it going to be another one of those years, 4 straight and out? With a bona fide 2C.

All of those prospects haven't failed for the past two playoff appearances. So they have that advantage. Plus youth on their side. Which is also affordable in the Salary Cap structure.

I wonder what the line is for trading Ehlers. If the Jets were in a wild card spot in March, is he tradeable?

Maybe a bonafide center turns Ehlers into a playoff stud? Gotta try something cause the status quo of bargain hunting aint working. I mean our "2C" pickups over the last few years have been rentals like Kevin Hayes and Sean Monahan. The aim needs to be higher at this point.

 

[surixon]

The Sabres won't want up and comers, they will want someone playing in the NHL already.
They have tons of prospects.


They won't want someone a year or two away from making the big team.
They'll want vets.

Then we aren't a very good fit for a trade. We don't have the established pieces they'd want. Or of we did they wouldn't be available.

 

[StumpyTown]

Personally I would love if the Jets could pry O'Reilly out of Nashville to play between Ehlers and Perfetti. He seems like he has enough speed still to play fast with them, but also has the bigger body to make room for the other two guys. His hands are also still good and he goes to the dirty areas well. At 4.5 for two more years after this one he's not too expensive either.

 

[voyageur]

Maybe a bonafide center turns Ehlers into a playoff stud? Gotta try something cause the status quo of bargain hunting aint working. I mean our "2C" pickups over the last few years have been rentals like Kevin Hayes and Sean Monahan. The aim needs to be higher at this point.

Higher than rentals? So you want to liquidate the assets to build around Ehlers? Looks around league, Monahan is a PPG center this year, +18. Looks back in history and realizes that Ehlers was healthy scratched playing with Stastny. Demoted to a 4th line with Hayes. And that the Jets won their last playoff series with Ehlers missing the first two road games, replaced by Vesalainen..

My hope is that Ehlers has a good playoff, on the PP.

5 on 5 I don't think he changes his game which hasn't been effective in the playoffs. So I'm not even interested in a 2C that badly, as long as the centers can all keep the puck out of our own net. So far Namestnikov is pretty good at that.

 

[NA Hockey]

Personally I would love if the Jets could pry O'Reilly out of Nashville to play between Ehlers and Perfetti. He seems like he has enough speed still to play fast with them, but also has the bigger body to make room for the other two guys. His hands are also still good and he goes to the dirty areas well. At 4.5 for two more years after this one he's not too expensive either.

He is also a master in the faceoff circle and would help the team start with more possession as well he would help on pp2 and in the dressing room.

Just don't see the Preds dealing with us, but who knows.

 

[jokesondee]

Higher than rentals? So you want to liquidate the assets to build around Ehlers? Looks around league, Monahan is a PPG center this year, +18. Looks back in history and realizes that Ehlers was healthy scratched playing with Stastny. Demoted to a 4th line with Hayes. And that the Jets won their last playoff series with Ehlers missing the first two road games, replaced by Vesalainen..

My hope is that Ehlers has a good playoff, on the PP.

5 on 5 I don't think he changes his game which hasn't been effective in the playoffs. So I'm not even interested in a 2C that badly, as long as the centers can all keep the puck out of our own net. So far Namestnikov is pretty good at that.

Lol, i want a Bonafide 2C to augment the team and Ehlers. He could help Perfetti take the next step too, maybe help our PP2. If you truly believe Namestnikov is the answer at 2C then enjoy being a wildcard team that fizzles out in round 1 until our core players get old or leave, and we begin a long and painful rebuild.

 

[DRW204]

Maybe a bonafide center turns Ehlers into a playoff stud? Gotta try something cause the status quo of bargain hunting aint working. I mean our "2C" pickups over the last few years have been rentals like Kevin Hayes and Sean Monahan. The aim needs to be higher at this point.

Dont forget Cody Eakin!

 

[DRW204]

Lol, i want a Bonafide 2C to augment the team and Ehlers. He could help Perfetti take the next step too, maybe help our PP2. If you truly believe Namestnikov is the answer at 2C then enjoy being a wildcard team that fizzles out in round 1 until our core players get old or leave, and we begin a long and painful rebuild.

I think you can get away with Namestnikov at C if you have two players who can push the pace and score effectively on the wing.
Namestnikov isn't an offensive catalyst and I think does a adequate 2way or support job. more of the onus offensively would be from the wingers, Ehlers hasn't as proficient as years previous, but id still rate him good. Perfetti does nothing offensively.

 

[Buffdog]

He is also a master in the faceoff circle and would help the team start with more possession as well he would help on pp2 and in the dressing room.

Just don't see the Preds dealing with us, but who knows.

Maybe Trotz and Chevy became BFFs during that head coach interview process that seemed to drag on for 9 weeks

OR maybe Trotz feels like he owes us a favour since he strung us along

OR (most likely, as judged by his moves so far) Trotz isn't a very good GM

 

[Jets 31]

Maybe Trotz and Chevy became BFFs during that head coach interview process that seemed to drag on for 9 weeks

OR maybe Trotz feels like he owes us a favour since he strung us along

OR (most likely, as judged by his moves so far) Trotz isn't a very good GM

They gave us Neo for a second round pick, maybe O'Rielly for a second.

 

[Jet]

I’ve always leaned towards he will be signed before the TDL side of the debate. Chevy will either do a hockey trade he can sell to the public or more likely re-signs Ehlers long term.

Yup - honestly would be for the best if Chevy traded Nik for a 2C with some term, and then brought Chibby and Lambert up (after roster expansion) to juice that second line.

 

[Jets 31]

Personally I would love if the Jets could pry O'Reilly out of Nashville to play between Ehlers and Perfetti. He seems like he has enough speed still to play fast with them, but also has the bigger body to make room for the other two guys. His hands are also still good and he goes to the dirty areas well. At 4.5 for two more years after this one he's not too expensive either.

I would agree that is a possibility.

 

[Jet]

Meh, I dunno

We didn't "lose him for nothing"... we got the best years of his career on a team friendly deal

At this point, he's an asset... but his value moving forward is dependent on a lot of things... his next contract terms, his performance as he passes 30, his health/durability, etc

If we sign him to a big long deal and his play falls off and he has a big cap hit, he could actually have negative value

Same is true for all soon to be 30 year old UFAs

This is where I align on this. If you drive a car for 200k miles and then send it to the crusher, you didn't lose it for nothing. You got lots of mileage out of it.

If Ehlers walks, we got years and years of production and entertainment out of that draft pick, which is more than you can say for the majority of picks.

 

[Bob E]

I don't think we are very good trade partners with Buffalo for Cozens or Byram, we just don't have what they likely would want in return.

If I'm Buffalo, I'm packaging the two to grab Petterson out of Vancouver. That does seem to be the best move for all considered, though I'm not sure that gets Buffalo to the playoffs next year. Though, standing pat definitely won't get them there.

 

[voyageur]

Lol, i want a Bonafide 2C to augment the team and Ehlers. He could help Perfetti take the next step too, maybe help our PP2. If you truly believe Namestnikov is the answer at 2C then enjoy being a wildcard team that fizzles out in round 1 until our core players get old or leave, and we begin a long and painful rebuild.

That's conveninent. How many goals did Ehlers put up with a bona fide 2C like Monahan. Zilch. Two less than Toffoli, who didn't want to be here.

Team defense man, team defense. The one thing few fans ever consider.

Ehlers is likely an own rental. Unless the Jets trade Connor in the offseason. If Perfetti's issue is skating, which has been mentioned here more than once, I'm definitely not looking for a center whose weakness is skating going forward.

I'm not making a far fetched claim that Cozens or Pettersson is going to put us over the top, at the cost of the future, which could be needed after this offseason.

I'm looking around the division and I see a top 20 NHL scoring C in the lineup. Namestnikov is 4 points behind Hintz as a #2, and 5 behind Mittlestadt. Realistically the best 1-2 punch in the Central playoff picture is Rossi and Eriksson-Ek, who gets top PP time. And none of those 3 teams competing with us have a shut down center like Lowry at their disposal, producing at the rate he does, suddenly slowed by Ehlers on his flank.

You could literally promote Nino to the 2nd line, Iafallo to the 3rd, and start Perfetti down a notch, and still have a 4 line team. But everybody wants Scheifele/Dubois again, and we all know how well that went.

 

[jokesondee]

That's conveninent. How many goals did Ehlers put up with a bona fide 2C like Monahan. Zilch. Two less than Toffoli, who didn't want to be here.

Team defense man, team defense. The one thing few fans ever consider.

Ehlers is likely an own rental. Unless the Jets trade Connor in the offseason. If Perfetti's issue is skating, which has been mentioned here more than once, I'm definitely not looking for a center whose weakness is skating going forward.

I'm not making a far fetched claim that Cozens or Pettersson is going to put us over the top, at the cost of the future, which could be needed after this offseason.

I'm looking around the division and I see a top 20 NHL scoring C in the lineup. Namestnikov is 4 points behind Hintz as a #2, and 5 behind Mittlestadt. Realistically the best 1-2 punch in the Central playoff picture is Rossi and Eriksson-Ek, who gets top PP time. And none of those 3 teams competing with us have a shut down center like Lowry at their disposal, producing at the rate he does, suddenly slowed by Ehlers on his flank.

You could literally promote Nino to the 2nd line, Iafallo to the 3rd, and start Perfetti down a notch, and still have a 4 line team. But everybody wants Scheifele/Dubois again, and we all know how well that went.

Were literally tied for 3rd in goals against having played more games than the teams around us. We need a second line that can score regularly and eat up minutes. Namestnikov started hot this season but has done little since, is terrible at faceoffs, and doesnt drive a line/produce offense on his own. He is a 4C on a very good team. This team is a stud 2C away from being a cup favorite.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I haven't seen much chatter about Ehlers specifically, just Miller and Pettersson out of Vancouver. The reality is that Ehlers is unsigned and therefore we have to adjust expectations. Once you start adding ifs to all of this then it gets more and more unlikely.



If Ehlers is traded mid-season I strongly suspect the Jets are worse for it for the rest of this year. Not good for business.



We've seen how those kinds of things go around the NHL though. It always seems like the same teams are in the playoffs and the usual teams are asking questions about why it didn't work. I can understand risk but there are different risks in this kind of scenario - there's the risk Ehlers leaves for nothing, but also the risk that a trade for the future carries attendance drops and loss of revenues elsewhere.

Agree. Chevy is between a rock and a hard place with Ehlers. I see only 2 potential solutions. 1) An extension. 2) A hockey trade.

Hockey trade has Ehlers out (preferably a sign and trade in order to get reasonable value) and a top 6C or top 4RHD coming back.

The RHD situation has faded into the background a bit with Pionk playing like it is a contract year (it is) and DeMelo returning to form. Miller's strong play has helped also. But it remains a long standing issue that will return.

2C has been a problem since Little was LTIR'd. PLD was supposed to be the solution but that didn't work out. Stastny was a solution but only short term. Pettersson would be a long term fix but he would cost a lot. More than just Ehlers, even with an extension.

I'm not at all certain that Pettersson is available to us. But if he is, Chevy should get very serious about him.

Edit: If Ehlers is traded in season that could hurt attendance this season with Jets contending for top spot. But if he is allowed to walk for nothing it could hurt future attendance as badly or even worse.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Meh, I dunno

We didn't "lose him for nothing"... we got the best years of his career on a team friendly deal

At this point, he's an asset... but his value moving forward is dependent on a lot of things... his next contract terms, his performance as he passes 30, his health/durability, etc

If we sign him to a big long deal and his play falls off and he has a big cap hit, he could actually have negative value

Same is true for all soon to be 30 year old UFAs

Also true. There are no risk free scenarios.

If he walks, we do lose him for nothing. That does not mean we didn't get value from a 2014 9th OA pick. It means that the asset we have now is gone with no return. You have to compare to the alternative, which is the asset gone but something received in return.

But the next contract is a big ?. All of those questions are legit.

 

[voyageur]

Were literally tied for 3rd in goals against having played more games than the teams around us. We need a second line that can score regularly and eat up minutes. Namestnikov started hot this season but has done little since and is not a 2C. He is a 4C on a very good team. This team is a stud 2C away from being a cup favorite.

Like Monahan lol. That went so well. You want two stud centers. Tank like the Oilers for years. Or buy up the market like Vegas. Or get two that clash, like Vancouver, or the two years we had Dubois as a C, one which we missed the playoffs, the other in which the team whimpered out. Or draft one. Like Rossi, Hintz.

I love the narrative that this is the year for Ehlers. He's going to do it man, put us over the top like he has in years past. It's blind faith, not based on past results, just blind faith.

But if you have faith in Namestnikov's game, which has been pretty clean, you're delusional. Even though I just pointed out how the Jets match up 1-3 at center around the division, ignore that. +11, not good enough. The 2nd line needs more scoring, If teams around the division make moves at center maybe the Jets do,

But don't ignore that Ehlers just cost us the Anaheim game with dumb puck management, soft play, has sunk Lowry as a C, in his short stint, with Namestnikov battling a hand injury, and now we need the next guy who will elevate him to the greatest heights of his career, in what is likely the last year here.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Vegas lost Stephenson and Marchessault "for nothing" and they're doing alright.

They can sign every FA they want. They can trade for any protected player they want. Neither of those 2 is Ehlers value.

Exactly. We still will have received 10 years of service from the player.

As we are seeing its pretty hard to trade 30 plus year old players on long term deals.

Ehlers is 28, approaching 29 pretty soon. Still well short of 30+.

 

[surixon]

They can sign every FA they want. They can trade for any protected player they want. Neither of those 2 is Ehlers value.



Ehlers is 28, approaching 29 pretty soon. Still well short of 30+.

Yeah, but they most likely wouldn't be looking to trade him until midway through the deal which would be in his 30's. He'd have full trade protection as well through likely the first half to 2/3 of it.