Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[GeorgeJETson]

Is it time to start watching for Jonathan Toews hanging out in Manitoba

Too late. The gas station attendant in St. Laurent told me Toews just bought a house in West St. Paul. It's a done deal.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

I was going to make a post joking about the only cup the Jets would win was Stanley's Cup, but searching for XXXL Cup in Google lead me to too many disturbing images.

 

[Channelcat]

I think Toews would be a perfect fit in some ways. Assuming the cost is low. Would almost have to be league min, at least for this season, as reality is that he won't be able to play much if at all. Maybe you gamble and give him 2 years assuming he can contribute next year. I like him in a 13th forward role mostly just for his presence. The real cost for the Jets is the roster spot, but at the same time they don't have a bonafide F in that spot right now anyway.

 

[tbcwpg]

We are not at the deadline and there is lots of chatter going on. I will trust Chevy to work his way through.

I haven't seen much chatter about Ehlers specifically, just Miller and Pettersson out of Vancouver. The reality is that Ehlers is unsigned and therefore we have to adjust expectations. Once you start adding ifs to all of this then it gets more and more unlikely.

Chevy wont wait till the deadline to move Nik, he has to have an idea if he will re sign or not and if a deal has to be made he will make it, this franchise cannot let a player like him in the prime of his career walk for free. I say this as Nik has been my favorite Jet since he got here but if he doesn't want to be here beyond this year then it's time to go sooner rather than later.

If Ehlers is traded mid-season I strongly suspect the Jets are worse for it for the rest of this year. Not good for business.

I accept that winning the Cup probably doesn't happen in my lifetime. I can't accept not trying though. I would rather be less consistently competitive in the interest of getting better. Even when in win now mode like we are now, I want to keep looking ahead too. That's why I am so against expensive rentals, even own rentals.

We've seen how those kinds of things go around the NHL though. It always seems like the same teams are in the playoffs and the usual teams are asking questions about why it didn't work. I can understand risk but there are different risks in this kind of scenario - there's the risk Ehlers leaves for nothing, but also the risk that a trade for the future carries attendance drops and loss of revenues elsewhere.

 

[Jets 31]

I haven't seen much chatter about Ehlers specifically, just Miller and Pettersson out of Vancouver. The reality is that Ehlers is unsigned and therefore we have to adjust expectations. Once you start adding ifs to all of this then it gets more and more unlikely.



If Ehlers is traded mid-season I strongly suspect the Jets are worse for it for the rest of this year. Not good for business.



We've seen how those kinds of things go around the NHL though. It always seems like the same teams are in the playoffs and the usual teams are asking questions about why it didn't work. I can understand risk but there are different risks in this kind of scenario - there's the risk Ehlers leaves for nothing, but also the risk that a trade for the future carries attendance drops and loss of revenues elsewhere.

Losing Ehlers for absolutely nothing would hurt next year's revenue and maybe the next after that because people would be pissed we lost him for nothing . I think if Ehlers isn't re-signing Chevy would get a decent return, i sure didn't think we would get what we got for Dubois but Chevy did.

 

[tbcwpg]

Losing Ehlers for absolutely nothing would hurt next year's revenue and maybe the next after that because people would be pissed we lost him for nothing . I think if Ehlers isn't re-signing Chevy would get a decent return, i sure didn't think we would get what we got for Dubois but Chevy did.

Dubois had a year left on his RFA status and went somewhere he wanted to. It was also in the offseason.

I don't think there are as many people out there who are buying tickets but would stop because Ehlers left as a free agent.

 

[Buffdog]

Losing Ehlers for absolutely nothing would hurt next year's revenue and maybe the next after that because people would be pissed we lost him for nothing . I think if Ehlers isn't re-signing Chevy would get a decent return, i sure didn't think we would get what we got for Dubois but Chevy did.

Meh, I dunno

We didn't "lose him for nothing"... we got the best years of his career on a team friendly deal

At this point, he's an asset... but his value moving forward is dependent on a lot of things... his next contract terms, his performance as he passes 30, his health/durability, etc

If we sign him to a big long deal and his play falls off and he has a big cap hit, he could actually have negative value

Same is true for all soon to be 30 year old UFAs

 

[DRW204]

Miller may come off as a jerk but demanding perfection is not a me me me thing. You screw up ... he will tell you about it and that's a good thing isn't it?
I have never heard Tocchet say anything bad about Miller over the years with the Canucks but I did hear Tocchet call out EP.
What's funny a couple of days before he took a leave from the Canucks Miller was at a card show signing ... he looked miserable. My son was wearing a Scheifele jersey and asked him what he thought of playing with Kyle in 4 nations. He said "sorry don't know him"and then gave him a fist pump.
What's weird too is Miller was traded for Namestnikov once already.
5 Years left at $8M is a good deal since he is only 31 and a #1 C but the Jets would have to give up a lot to get him plus who knows how players would feel being chewed out by Miller when they make a mistake. I pretty sure most of the Jets would like Miller because the first cheap shot at a Jet player Miller would go after the culprit.

I like Miller quited a bit... scores lots, hits lots, one of the best in the NHL on draws. I just can't see him waiving to come here. idk what the deal with him off-the-ice or as a leader, but it took the Jets a while to recover from questionable leadership and culture-setters, idk if they would bring him in

 

[Adam da bomb]

Meh, I dunno

We didn't "lose him for nothing"... we got the best years of his career on a team friendly deal

At this point, he's an asset... but his value moving forward is dependent on a lot of things... his next contract terms, his performance as he passes 30, his health/durability, etc

If we sign him to a big long deal and his play falls off and he has a big cap hit, he could actually have negative value

Same is true for all soon to be 30 year old UFAs

They are all assets in a sense. Assets we form deep meaningful relationships with.

 

[scelaton]

I’ve always leaned towards he will be signed before the TDL side of the debate. Chevy will either do a hockey trade he can sell to the public or more likely re-signs Ehlers long term.

I've been strongly suspicious that Ehlers won't be here next year and that feeling is growing over time. It saddens me because I think he has enormous talent and is under-appreciated the way Buff was in some quarters, due to his high-event game. Ehlers game is a prime example of how stats can belie the eye test. But I digress...

I think there is a < 50% chance that Ehlers re-signs here and an even lower chance that he agrees to a sign and trade deal to Vancouver. Why? Because Vancouver is half-way around the world from his family and he would much rather play in a market where he is a short flight away from Europe. Also, Vancouver is not the most desirable franchise for a player looking to win a SC in the few remaining years before his body gives way.

Ehlers holds the strong hand in this game and will sign with whatever team meets his needs, which are some combination of contract, opportunity to flourish/win on the ice and proximity to his home country. (It's a variant of the issue we had with some of our American players). I'm guessing east coast US team ATM.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Ehlers Cozens Perfetti would be a pretty sweet line.
Some crazy speed with Cozens and Ehlers and a good playmaker in Perfetti.
Not sure what Buffalo would want but I think Nino would be in that deal.
Nino, Lambert, 3rd in 2026 and Barron?

If we're acquiring a young 2C, we can include Yager in the deal.

Iafallo, Yager, Barlow?

If we extend Ehlers, we could include Lambert in a deal.

 

[macmaroon]

Too late. The gas station attendant in St. Laurent told me Toews just bought a house in West St. Paul. It's a done deal.

I wonder if any of the "insiders" will post your information on X or whatever it's called now...

 

[tbcwpg]

Meh, I dunno

We didn't "lose him for nothing"... we got the best years of his career on a team friendly deal

At this point, he's an asset... but his value moving forward is dependent on a lot of things... his next contract terms, his performance as he passes 30, his health/durability, etc

If we sign him to a big long deal and his play falls off and he has a big cap hit, he could actually have negative value

Same is true for all soon to be 30 year old UFAs

Vegas lost Stephenson and Marchessault "for nothing" and they're doing alright.

 

[surixon]

Meh, I dunno

We didn't "lose him for nothing"... we got the best years of his career on a team friendly deal

At this point, he's an asset... but his value moving forward is dependent on a lot of things... his next contract terms, his performance as he passes 30, his health/durability, etc

If we sign him to a big long deal and his play falls off and he has a big cap hit, he could actually have negative value

Same is true for all soon to be 30 year old UFAs

Exactly. We still will have received 10 years of service from the player.

As we are seeing its pretty hard to trade 30 plus year old players on long term deals.

 

[surixon]

Ehlers Cozens Perfetti would be a pretty sweet line.
Some crazy speed with Cozens and Ehlers and a good playmaker in Perfetti.
Not sure what Buffalo would want but I think Nino would be in that deal.
Nino, Lambert, 3rd in 2026 and Barron?

Buffalo would likely want Salomonsson as the opening piece. They are stacked at LD but don't have a young defensive minded RD to play with Power/Rasmus. They would likely also want one of Lambert/Yager to fill the hole. They have a tonne of skilled wingers so likely have zero interest in Chibrikov, Barlow etc.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I've been strongly suspicious that Ehlers won't be here next year and that feeling is growing over time. It saddens me because I think he has enormous talent and is under-appreciated the way Buff was in some quarters, due to his high-event game. Ehlers game is a prime example of how stats can belie the eye test. But I digress...

I think there is a < 50% chance that Ehlers re-signs here and an even lower chance that he agrees to a sign and trade deal to Vancouver. Why? Because Vancouver is half-way around the world from his family and he would much rather play in a market where he is a short flight away from Europe. Also, Vancouver is not the most desirable franchise for a player looking to win a SC in the few remaining years before his body gives way.

Ehlers holds the strong hand in this game and will sign with whatever team meets his needs, which are some combination of contract, opportunity to flourish/win on the ice and proximity to his home country. (It's a variant of the issue we had with some of our American players). I'm guessing east coast US team ATM.

Only way Jets take back control is to trade him for what they can now.

 

[Jets 31]

Meh, I dunno

We didn't "lose him for nothing"... we got the best years of his career on a team friendly deal

At this point, he's an asset... but his value moving forward is dependent on a lot of things... his next contract terms, his performance as he passes 30, his health/durability, etc

If we sign him to a big long deal and his play falls off and he has a big cap hit, he could actually have negative value

Same is true for all soon to be 30 year old UFAs

I agree with you but do you really think there will be a lot of Jets fans that would look at it like that ? I think alot would say what the hell is Chevy doing, fire him, you can't get nothing for Ehlers.

 

[tbcwpg]

I agree with you but do you really think there will be a lot of Jets fans that would look at it like that ? I think alot would say what the hell is Chevy doing, fire him, you can't get nothing for Ehlers.

Would that be more fans or fewer fans that say "what the hell is Chevy doing trading one of our best forwards when the team is first place"?

 

[Jets 31]

Would that be more fans or fewer fans that say "what the hell is Chevy doing trading one of our best forwards when the team is first place"?

Absolutely depends on what Chevy got back in a trade.

 

[jokesondee]

I really think we just need to bite the bullet and pay for a 2c, it's like every year we come out of the gate strong with all lines scoring, then it starts to drop off and the only line that can score is the 1st until they get tired and their offence dries up as well

we have a glaring whole and it's past due time we pay the price to fix it

Agreed. The window for our core players is now. Enough with the half-assed measures. Suck it up, find a bonafide proven 2C with term at a manageable cap hit and pay the hefty price. Sometimes you just gotta take a swing, and the time is now. I have no problem with giving up high picks and guys like Perfetti, Yager, Lambert, Chibrikov, etc. Those guys are nowhere close to putting us over the top, and theres a good chance they never will anyways.

 

[Buffdog]

I agree with you but do you really think there will be a lot of Jets fans that would look at it like that ? I think alot would say what the hell is Chevy doing, fire him, you can't get nothing for Ehlers.

I don't think that the org is one to do things for optics

As stated, trading Ehlers when you're sitting at the top of the standings doesn't look good either. And it certainly sends a terrible message to the locker room

Chevy will have to handle this deftly... but realistically, if he trades Ehlers he'll get a 1st and a b prospect. Would he trade he trade that at the deadline for Ehlers for a playoff run if he don't have him? If the answer is yes, then it's OK to keep him

 

[Jets 31]

I don't think that the org is one to do things for optics

As stated, trading Ehlers when you're sitting at the top of the standings doesn't look good either. And it certainly sends a terrible message to the locker room

Chevy will have to handle this deftly... but realistically, if he trades Ehlers he'll get a 1st and a b prospect. Would he trade he trade that at the deadline for Ehlers for a playoff run if he don't have him? If the answer is yes, then it's OK to keep him

You are right it's a tough situation for sure that's why i think Chevy re-signs Ehlers if i was betting money on it.

 

[Moloch]

Is there even any merit to the idea that Ehlers wants out of Winnipeg? wasn't that whole thing kinda debunked? We're one of the top teams in the league. If he wants to win a cup he wont accept a trade to a team that isnt a contender. He seems to really like his teammates, idk I think he signs.

 

[voyageur]

Agreed. The window for our core players is now. Enough with the half-assed measures. Suck it up, find a bonafide proven 2C with term at a manageable cap hit and pay the hefty price. Sometimes you just gotta take a swing, and the time is now. I have no problem with giving up high picks and guys like Perfetti, Yager, Lambert, Chibrikov, etc. Those guys are nowhere close to putting us over the top, and theres a good chance they never will anyways.

Over the top of what?

Ehlers had 0 goals in the playoffs last year. Pionk was public enemy #1. Are the Jets one player from a Stanley Cup run? 2? Is the team even built for the playoffs, or is it going to be another one of those years, 4 straight and out? With a bona fide 2C.

All of those prospects haven't failed for the past two playoff appearances. So they have that advantage. Plus youth on their side. Which is also affordable in the Salary Cap structure.

I wonder what the line is for trading Ehlers. If the Jets were in a wild card spot in March, is he tradeable?

 

[KingBogo]

Is there even any merit to the idea that Ehlers wants out of Winnipeg? wasn't that whole thing kinda debunked? We're one of the top teams in the league. If he wants to win a cup he wont accept a trade to a team that isnt a contender. He seems to really like his teammates, idk I think he signs.

Ehlers has never said he wants out of Winnipeg.