Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[DRW204]

As I noted, I think that one option is for the Jets to trade Ehlers for futures and flip the futures to strengthen the roster. I'm not sure it's wise for a franchise like the Jets to let a premium player walk in free agency for nothing. They don't have the pull to replace him through free agency the way many other teams might.

so why doesn't the first team just trade futures for said fwd to strengthen their roster rather than ehlers?
also, unless the newly acquired player has term, the Jets are where they started with a good player as a pending UFA.

 

[KingBogo]

He's getting traded by me if he has told me he isn't re-signing if i was the GM . Now if he has told me he wants to sign that changes everything.

That is my thinking as well. Chevy isn’t doing this blind. No doubt he has had conversations with Ehlers camp and with other GMs. I remember all the doom around here when Buff was a pending UFA and he signed long term a few weeks before the TDL. I’ve posted it a few times but Chevy has never let a player as important as Ehlers walk as an UFA.

 

[voyageur]

So Toews playing for the Jets…good or bad idea? Might provide some leadership and intensity during the playoffs, but probably can only play 4th line minutes due to his age. Would be popular with fans but not sure if it helps ticket sales.

For me this is what the Jets need.

You look at the loss last night . What stands out. 2 SH Goals Against. Lost special teams lost the game.

Kind of like the playoffs where the PK was a disappointment.

At least last year the Jets had a 2C who could kill penalties. Not well when it mattered, but also centered PP1.

Now there is a desire for a 2C who adds offense, people are suggesting PP1 centers but any PP time logically takes Ehlers off the top PP. Is that what people really want? Or do they want an offensive juggernaut for coaches whose identity for this team is defense?

Toews even as a 4C, if he has the PK skills, supplants Barron off the top unit, wins more draws than Lowry and that means more clean starts on the PK.

Knock Barron down a spot with AI and keep Namestnikov and Connor as your potential scoring unit on the PK at the end of either a tired 1st unit or a 2nd unit PP.

I'd be happy with that. Improved defense in areas that matter.

Even as a 4C you could spread it out if you break up Ehlers-Perfetti.

Something like

KC-Scheif-Volare

Ehlers-Namestnikov-Iafallo (Ehlers likes playing with the good skating Names, Iafallo and Namestnikov are neighbours, and you have a digger, net front presence to counterbalance Ehlers game)

Nino-Lowry-Apples (still the defensive catalysts)

Barron-Toews-Perfetti (Maybe Toews has an influence on Perfetti offensively, as a leader)

That's 4 lines that can play. Iafallo and Nino are interchangeable. Maybe Nino and Barron too.

To me though Stan is struggling on the PK, Fleury is good at it but not great 5 on 5, and Heinola is too soft, so that 3LD that can play up the lineup is a need.

Injuries and where the Jets are in the standings at the beginning of March could be factors on how Chevy moves when he has the opportunity to.

 

[10Ducky10]

I bet Pionk signs a team friendly deal. He is a Minnesotan, seems to fit in really well and like playing for the Jets.

I'm not mad, either. The guy busts his ass every f***ing night. He might have some oh shit moments but most D do.

If some of our other larger defenseman played with a chip on the shoulder like he does, the Jets wouldn't still be auditioning for the third pairing.

 

[tbcwpg]

That is my thinking as well. Chevy isn’t doing this blind. No doubt he has had conversations with Ehlers camp and with other GMs. I remember all the doom around here when Buff was a pending UFA and he signed long term a few weeks before the TDL. I’ve posted it a few times but Chevy has never let a player as important as Ehlers walk as an UFA.

If the team is first or close to it at the deadline, there's no shot Ehlers is moved. Easiest way to kill any fan momentum and no deadline return would impact the team more positively than Ehlers would.

 

[KingBogo]

If the team is first or close to it at the deadline, there's no shot Ehlers is moved. Easiest way to kill any fan momentum and no deadline return would impact the team more positively than Ehlers would.

I’ve always leaned towards he will be signed before the TDL side of the debate. Chevy will either do a hockey trade he can sell to the public or more likely re-signs Ehlers long term.

 

[LowLefty]

For me this is what the Jets need.

You look at the loss last night . What stands out. 2 SH Goals Against. Lost special teams lost the game.

Kind of like the playoffs where the PK was a disappointment.

At least last year the Jets had a 2C who could kill penalties. Not well when it mattered, but also centered PP1.

Now there is a desire for a 2C who adds offense, people are suggesting PP1 centers but any PP time logically takes Ehlers off the top PP. Is that what people really want? Or do they want an offensive juggernaut for coaches whose identity for this team is defense?

Toews even as a 4C, if he has the PK skills, supplants Barron off the top unit, wins more draws than Lowry and that means more clean starts on the PK.

Knock Barron down a spot with AI and keep Namestnikov and Connor as your potential scoring unit on the PK at the end of either a tired 1st unit or a 2nd unit PP.

I'd be happy with that. Improved defense in areas that matter.

Even as a 4C you could spread it out if you break up Ehlers-Perfetti.

Something like

KC-Scheif-Volare

Ehlers-Namestnikov-Iafallo (Ehlers likes playing with the good skating Names, Iafallo and Namestnikov are neighbours, and you have a digger, net front presence to counterbalance Ehlers game)

Nino-Lowry-Apples (still the defensive catalysts)

Barron-Toews-Perfetti (Maybe Toews has an influence on Perfetti offensively, as a leader)

That's 4 lines that can play. Iafallo and Nino are interchangeable. Maybe Nino and Barron too.

To me though Stan is struggling on the PK, Fleury is good at it but not great 5 on 5, and Heinola is too soft, so that 3LD that can play up the lineup is a need.

Injuries and where the Jets are in the standings at the beginning of March could be factors on how Chevy moves when he has the opportunity to.

I like a lot of this and I get that we want more good players so that when we have injuries, we don't give up anything.
But that isn't how it works - you can't expect to always have resources in place that can fill in for your best players when they go down.
I don't agree with the notion that we need another LHD - that's our strength on D now.

If anything, I'd look for someone for the right side that can improve on what is our weakest side. I wouldn't be looking at it from a "what happens if we have an injury" angle - I'd simply look at the roster. We have depth - but that depth is not going to take away all the pain when you lose a player. So build a balanced lineup and everyone steps up when there are injuries.

 

[Buffdog]

If the team is first or close to it at the deadline, there's no shot Ehlers is moved. Easiest way to kill any fan momentum and no deadline return would impact the team more positively than Ehlers would.

For me (personally) it would depend on the return and/or any other moves Chevy makes.

If the one deal is Ehlers for a 1st and b prospect and then Chevy turns around and adds an aging rental 2C also for a 1st, then yeah I wouldnt be thrilled

But if Chevy can somehow manage to land a young player with term and upside at a position of need, then I'd be fine

 

[tbcwpg]

I’ve always leaned towards he will be signed before the TDL side of the debate. Chevy will either do a hockey trade he can sell to the public or more likely re-signs Ehlers long term.

There's no hockey trade at the deadline to be made, in my opinion. You'd need to know Ehlers will re-sign with the team he's being moved to and it's unlikely that gets done mid-season.

I think we just need to be prepared that he'll leave in the summer after the Jets season is over. It's what teams that are trying their best to win do.

 

[KingBogo]

There's no hockey trade at the deadline to be made, in my opinion. You'd need to know Ehlers will re-sign with the team he's being moved to and it's unlikely that gets done mid-season.

I think we just need to be prepared that he'll leave in the summer after the Jets season is over. It's what teams that are trying their best to win do.

We are not at the deadline and there is lots of chatter going on. I will trust Chevy to work his way through.

 

[Buffdog]

I've decided that I think Chevy should target Ryan O'Reilly

Pros:
1. No trade protection
2. 4.5M cap hit
3. Has 2 years of term after this season, which lines up nicely with Yager's arrival
4. 25 points in 37 games on a dumpster fire Nashville team

Cons:
1. He's old
2. He might not want to be here, even if he has no official trade protection (although he may want to compete for a cup again)

Keep Ehlers as an own rental and run a 2nd line of Ehlers - ROR - Pefetti. Promote Lambert to Ehlers spot next season

 

[bustamente]

Chevy wont wait till the deadline to move Nik, he has to have an idea if he will re sign or not and if a deal has to be made he will make it, this franchise cannot let a player like him in the prime of his career walk for free. I say this as Nik has been my favorite Jet since he got here but if he doesn't want to be here beyond this year then it's time to go sooner rather than later.

 

[10Ducky10]

Pay the price for Cozens from Buffalo and play him with Ehlers.

 

[Whileee]

So trade Ehlers for futures and swap futures for a rental that you're going to lose anyways? I mean you aren't going to get better players than Ehlers for the futures you receive for him. Best case scenario is an inferior player with some term or an equivalent player who is just a rental you're going to lose.

It's really more about roster needs and term. I don't see keeping Ehlers as an "own rental" as being a good move for a team that has obvious gaps. I also don't like the idea of giving up premium futures for a pure rental.

If Ehlers can't be extended in Winnipeg, maybe they can get good value from a team that can extend his contract, more likely in futures that can be flipped for a player that gives the Jets a roster remake and more future assets.

Chevy wont wait till the deadline to move Nik, he has to have an idea if he will re sign or not and if a deal has to be made he will make it, this franchise cannot let a player like him in the prime of his career walk for free. I say this as Nik has been my favorite Jet since he got here but if he doesn't want to be here beyond this year then it's time to go sooner rather than later.

I agree. Ehlers has been one of my favourite Jets and my strong preference would be to extend his contract and trade some futures to fill other roster gaps with players that have at least another year or two of term.

 

[Whileee]

Pay the price for Cozens from Buffalo and play him with Ehlers.

I don't mind this, but I'd want Ehlers extended rather than walking for nothing this summer. That is manageable for franchises that can replace key players by using cap space on good free agents, but that's an avenue generally unavailable to the Jets.

 

[abax44]

Miller’s style is probably a better fit for what the JETS need, but I worry about bringing in a player with his ego and cancerous personality. Chevy would seriously need to do his homework on the player and personality compatibility.

He likely wouldn’t accept a trade to Winnipeg anyway

Yeah, this was basically my thought.

 

[Finnflash]

Is it time to start watching for Jonathan Toews hanging out in Manitoba

 

[raideralex99]

I rather KP over Miller, that dude screams me me me, reality neither is coming here

Miller may come off as a jerk but demanding perfection is not a me me me thing. You screw up ... he will tell you about it and that's a good thing isn't it?
I have never heard Tocchet say anything bad about Miller over the years with the Canucks but I did hear Tocchet call out EP.
What's funny a couple of days before he took a leave from the Canucks Miller was at a card show signing ... he looked miserable. My son was wearing a Scheifele jersey and asked him what he thought of playing with Kyle in 4 nations. He said "sorry don't know him"and then gave him a fist pump.
What's weird too is Miller was traded for Namestnikov once already.
5 Years left at $8M is a good deal since he is only 31 and a #1 C but the Jets would have to give up a lot to get him plus who knows how players would feel being chewed out by Miller when they make a mistake. I pretty sure most of the Jets would like Miller because the first cheap shot at a Jet player Miller would go after the culprit.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Agree, but feel like we've tried to bite that bullet and paid in 1st-rounders etc several times since the Stats breakthrough trade. Stastny, Hayes, PLD, Monahan, and even even Eakin have come and gone and here we are again. Stats aside that's a lot of draft capital and outgoing talent for the modest playoff success we've had.

Maybe this year they find a Stats-level complement with some term who can bring some value back. But with Ehlers' status up in the air and limited high-end talent in the pipeline, there's risk IMO.

That's not what it means to "bite the bullet" and pay up to fix this. All but PLD were rentals, not fixes. The only hesitation I feel right now is the possibility of Yager or Lambert being the long term fix we need. But neither is going to be ready for another year or two at least. So we need someone who will fill the hole for a few more years.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Out of that list, Ehlers if he is willing to sign in Vancouver is the biggest win now chip. Perfetti is probably the next most interesting player to them. That is 2 now players, that play in our top 6. The salary for those 2 is not quite close to a saw off this season with EP but we could insert Lambert or Chibs on an ELC, so that is doable. How close do people think that gets us?

Ehlers if he is not going to stay. Sign and trade possible. Perfetti if Ehlers will stay. Add a D man, not both 2nd line wingers. Ville, or Stan or Pionk + 1st. Ehlers signed, plus Pionk, plus 1st. They have indicated they want a C in the package, so add Lambert. They are not happy with EP this year. That's why he is available.

EP is a premium player. That is a big package. It leaves us scrambling a bit at RD (again) and needing to replace Ehlers. But we are getting a young 1C.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Petey is hard to fit in at 11.5M and seems like a bit of a head case. I'd rather spend less and go into the playoffs with a lineup like this (sharks fans have been saying that Granlund has been their best player this year):

Connor - Scheifele - Vilardi
Perfetti - Granlund - Ehlers
Nino - Lowry - Appleton
Names - Kupari - Iafallo

Morrissey - Risto
Samberg - Pionk
Fleury/Stan - Demelo

What are you paying for Risto and Granlund? Granlund is another stopgap #!$@%^& rental.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If im philly i want chib with michkov

I think that's an overpay.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Chipman and Co intended goals for this team, fill the building make the playoffs, not being able to re sign players and letting the players go for nothing and you wont be filling the building let alone make the playoffs. The Jets winning the cup will probably never happen in my lifetime and I'm okay with that but I at least want to see a competitive team year in year out

I accept that winning the Cup probably doesn't happen in my lifetime. I can't accept not trying though. I would rather be less consistently competitive in the interest of getting better. Even when in win now mode like we are now, I want to keep looking ahead too. That's why I am so against expensive rentals, even own rentals.

 

[Section 325]

Miller’s style is probably a better fit for what the JETS need, but I worry about bringing in a player with his ego and cancerous personality. Chevy would seriously need to do his homework on the player and personality compatibility.

He likely wouldn’t accept a trade to Winnipeg anyway

I recall hearing that Miller has a list of where he would be willing to be traded to. Here it is:

The New York Rangers

So yeah, no.

 

[10Ducky10]

Ehlers Cozens Perfetti would be a pretty sweet line.
Some crazy speed with Cozens and Ehlers and a good playmaker in Perfetti.
Not sure what Buffalo would want but I think Nino would be in that deal.
Nino, Lambert, 3rd in 2026 and Barron?