Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Bob E]

Agreed.
And if we moved out perfetti and ehlers, the Jets have who a top 6 wings going into the PO's. Namestnikov? The whole point is to get upgrades in the top 6.

Upgrades in the top 6 is exactly the point.

Ehlers’ past playoff performance has been awful.

Perfetti has yet to demonstrate he can handle the pace and physicality of the playoffs. Now, he’s only had one game, but coaches and management has not been comfortable in giving him more to date.

Is Cozens an upgrade? Maybe, maybe not. A near 70 pt Cozens with size, speed and is not afraid to bang bodies definitely is. He’s not your only move, but could be a nice piece now in in future.

Now switch Cozens for Perfetti and Nelson for Ehlers and the playoff roster changes dramatically.

C-S-V
Iafallo-Nelson-Cozens
Nino-Lowry-Appleton
Barron-Names-Kupari

 

[Huffer]

When it comes to Perfetti vs Cozens, to me it's less about "who is the better player" and more about the team's needs

Depending on whether Ehlers re-signs, we have 3 or 4 players that can play wing on that line moving forward but no centre. It just makes sense to deal from a position of abundance to fill a position of need

Any combination of Ehlers, Chibs and Lambert can play on that 2nd line with Cozens

I'd also be willing to deal Perfetti for a long tetm solution at 1 RD

I really like Perfetti but I'm just being pragmatic

Agree with all, but Cozens has been moved to wing as well at times because he's not getting it done at C. So there's no guarantee he's even a C for the Jets.

 

[Bob E]

Who's to say Perfetti falters and Cozens takes off though? That's the point. Maybe it happens, but it's all just conjecture and hope.

I'm not anti Cousins, bit he's a reclamation project at this point. Moving Perfetti is an overpay.

Perfetti also has to show he won’t falter. Cozens has shown there’s a 70 pt player in there with size and speed. Is that one strong season a one off, and a 40-50 pt guy is what he is? Perfetti still has to get there, so I don’t consider it an overpay. If Perfetti shows he can stay healthy, put up a 60 pt season, and play well in playoffs then it’s an overpay. He hasn’t done that yet either.

 

[DRW204]

Upgrades in the top 6 is exactly the point.

Ehlers’ past playoff performance has been awful.

Perfetti has yet to demonstrate he can handle the pace and physicality of the playoffs. Now, he’s only had one game, but coaches and management has not been comfortable in giving him more to date.

Is Cozens an upgrade? Maybe, maybe not. A near 70 pt Cozens with size, speed and is not afraid to bang bodies definitely is. He’s not your only move, but could be a nice piece now in in future.

Now switch Cozens for Perfetti and Nelson for Ehlers and the playoff roster changes dramatically.

C-S-V
Iafallo-Nelson-Cozens
Nino-Lowry-Appleton
Barron-Names-Kupari

Who's to say Perfetti falters and Cozens takes off though? That's the point. Maybe it happens, but it's all just conjecture and hope.

I'm not anti Cousins, bit he's a reclamation project at this point. Moving Perfetti is an overpay.

A reclamation project that costs 7m/ year, a ppg player, and a similarly producing and aged player... One of the dumbest proposals on this forum, and there's been many to chose from.

 

[Huffer]

Literally the only thing Cozens has then is his 1 outlier season. Cozens hasn't shown he can play well in the playoffs either so that's not only on Perfetti. Perfetti also has 1 more season with a lower cap hit.

Everything about moving Perfetti for Cozens is moving a guy who's done everything asked by the Jets and is producing ok, for a guy who's producing less, but has an outlier season, and with the hope he rebounds and can play better and also bounce back and be able to play C.

And just so it doesn't seem like I think Perfetti is amazing and Cozens is bad, that's not the case. This talk just seems like a combo of grass is greener, minimizing our piece and maximizing the other piece.

Maybe Cozens turns into a 60 point beast of a centre. But why are the Jets paying full retail price for him when he's been struggling badly and is being paid as that 60 plus point player and not delivering? Usually when players are being paid more than their worth it's a reduction in value.

 

[raideralex99]

What do Connor, Gustafsson and Iafallo have in common?
All 3 of them had their first NHL fight this year ... this tells me two things.
1. This year's Jets have team chemistry and they all stick together and will do whatever it takes to win ... no passengers.
2. They need to add some toughness ... a power forward or Tough D man. Lowry cannot be the only player fighting to protect his teammates.

Crozens doesn't move the need imo in fact he would probably be disrupting the team chemistry plus adding a big contact.
I don't recall but when was the last big TDL acquisition that helped a team win the Stanley Cup?
I do remember the Blues winning the Cup by doing nothing at the TDL.

 

[DRW204]

What do Connor, Gustafsson and Iafallo have in common?
All 3 of them had their first NHL fight this year ... this tells me two things.
1. This year's Jets have team chemistry and they all stick together and will do whatever it takes to win ... no passengers.
2. They need to add some toughness ... a power forward or Tough D man. Lowry cannot be the only player fighting to protect his teammates.

Crozens doesn't move the need imo in fact he would probably be disrupting the team chemistry plus adding a big contact.
I don't recall but when was the last big TDL acquisition that helped a team win the Stanley Cup?
I do remember the Blues winning the Cup by doing nothing at the TDL.

Avs: lehkonen, manson
Vegas: Barbashev
I can't remember if Florida did anything.

I think the Jets would inquire on Cozens but if it's the cost of two current top 6ers who are equal or better, they aren't doing that.

 

[Bob E]

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A reclamation project that costs 7m/ year, a ppg player, and a similarly producing and aged player... One of the dumbest proposals on this forum, and there's been many to chose from.

Avs: lehkonen, manson
Vegas: Barbashev
I can't remember if Florida did anything.

I think the Jets would inquire on Cozens but if it's the cost of two current top 6ers who are equal or better, they aren't doing that.

If you’re hung up on my offer of “both” for Cousins, it wasn’t my intention to have it seem like a Ehlers+Perfetti=Cozens deal. it’s not.

My original comment meant that alone Perfetti or Ehlers wouldn’t get Cozens, so they’d have to add to each or include both, but if that’s the case obviously Buffalo would have to add to Cozens coming back. Another top 9 forward or top 4 dman.

IMO, Perfetti alone doesn’t get you Cozens. Perfetti has never outscored Cozens after a season and this year he’s only marginally ahead. If you feel I’m overvaluing Cozens then I would argue others are overvaluing Perfetti. I doubt very much Buffalo would take Perfetti in a deal straight up. Not only is he a poor fit (another small, slow, skilled winger) but is his upside really greater?

 

[Bob E]

What do Connor, Gustafsson and Iafallo have in common?
All 3 of them had their first NHL fight this year ... this tells me two things.
1. This year's Jets have team chemistry and they all stick together and will do whatever it takes to win ... no passengers.
2. They need to add some toughness ... a power forward or Tough D man. Lowry cannot be the only player fighting to protect his teammates.

Crozens doesn't move the need imo in fact he would probably be disrupting the team chemistry plus adding a big contact.
I don't recall but when was the last big TDL acquisition that helped a team win the Stanley Cup?
I do remember the Blues winning the Cup by doing nothing at the TDL.

Yes, his contract is a problem if he scores 40 pts. If he scores 68 pts again, only a year removed from that level, as 2C or even 2W, then it’s not a problem.

I don’t think there would be a chemistry issues. From all accounts he’s a quality kid with leadership qualities. I’m thinking he’s putting far too much pressure on himself to “right the Sabre ship” and lead them to the playoffs. In a situation where he can just grow his game, play with quality wingers, and contribute without feeling he needs to be the guy, I think he gains confidence and breaks out.

Now I could be completely wrong, but I hope we see Cozens moved to a solid playoff team and watch what happens.

 

[raideralex99]

Avs: lehkonen, manson
Vegas: Barbashev
I can't remember if Florida did anything.

I think the Jets would inquire on Cozens but if it's the cost of two current top 6ers who are equal or better, they aren't doing that.

Yes Lehkonen, Manson and Barbashev were added at TDL but they were not the big names at the TDL.
If you do the math adding Cozens the Jets are probably not signing Ehlers.
Chevy has tough decisions to make 5 UFA Ehlers Pionk Iafallo Apples and Names plus RFA Vilardi and Samberg (Barron/Kupari are easy to resign) need new contracts and the following year Connor and Lowry.
Lambert and Chibrkov can fill 2 spots but its not that simple.
People think its easy to trade but with the SC there's lots of moving parts. Why do you think the Kings gave up so much for Dubios ... they were going to lose those players anyway either on waivers or cap.

 

[Bob E]

Yes Lehkonen, Manson and Barbashev were added at TDL but they were not the big names at the TDL.
If you do the math adding Cozens the Jets are probably not signing Ehlers.
Chevy has tough decisions to make 5 UFA Ehlers Pionk Iafallo Apples and Names plus RFA Vilardi and Samberg (Barron/Kupari are easy to resign) need new contracts and the following year Connor and Lowry.
Lambert and Chibrkov can fill 2 spots but its not that simple.
People think its easy to trade but with the SC there's lots of moving parts. Why do you think the Kings gave up so much for Dubios ... they were going to lose those players anyway either on waivers or cap.

Very true. The salary cap adds an important element no doubt.

I think teams would try to get that big young C under contract and worry about how it all works out afterwards. LA did that with PDL. They thought they fixed their C depth and liked the player. Gave up a lot to get him and it didn’t work out. But after this year, Vilardi might be the only impactful piece left in the deal and he needs a new deal too.

Don’t think in 2+ years we have:

Connor -$9+ M
Scheif - $8.5M
Helle -$8.5M
Ehlers - $8+ M
Vilardi- $7+M
Perfetti- $6+ M
JMo- $6.25M

That’s $53+ M for 7 guys. So, around $40M left for 16 players. Lots of decisions to be made for sure.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Very true. The salary cap adds an important element no doubt.

I think teams would try to get that big young C under contract and worry about how it all works out afterwards. LA did that with PDL. They thought they fixed their C depth and liked the player. Gave up a lot to get him and it didn’t work out. But after this year, Vilardi might be the only impactful piece left in the deal and he needs a new deal too.

Don’t think in 2+ years we have:

Connor -$9+ M
Scheif - $8.5M
Helle -$8.5M
Ehlers - $8+ M
Vilardi- $7+M
Perfetti- $6+ M
JMo- $6.25M

That’s $53+ M for 7 guys. So, around $40M left for 16 players. Lots of decisions to be made for sure.

8 mil for Ehlers is an overpay considering his career best

 

[Bob E]

8 mil for Ehlers is an overpay considering his career best

Was assuming his current scoring rate of a ppg would continue the entire season. If it does, he’ll be asking for, and will likely get (somewhere), $8+M/yr.

If it doesn’t, then you’re right, he’ll get a bit less. Still an increase on his current deal.

 

[DRW204]

If you’re hung up on my offer of “both” for Cousins, it wasn’t my intention to have it seem like a Ehlers+Perfetti=Cozens deal. it’s not.

My original comment meant that alone Perfetti or Ehlers wouldn’t get Cozens, so they’d have to add to each or include both, but if that’s the case obviously Buffalo would have to add to Cozens coming back. Another top 9 forward or top 4 dman.

IMO, Perfetti alone doesn’t get you Cozens. Perfetti has never outscored Cozens after a season and this year he’s only marginally ahead. If you feel I’m overvaluing Cozens then I would argue others are overvaluing Perfetti. I doubt very much Buffalo would take Perfetti in a deal straight up. Not only is he a poor fit (another small, slow, skilled winger) but is his upside really greater?

i don't think perfetti is all that. but ehlers+perfetti is stupid high price for a player on pace for 40 pts, and coming off another sub-50 pt season. sorry it's a ridiculous proposal that the Jets would never do. chevy is not losing a trade to the buffalo sabres as much as it seems like you wish he does.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If you’re hung up on my offer of “both” for Cousins, it wasn’t my intention to have it seem like a Ehlers+Perfetti=Cozens deal. it’s not.

My original comment meant that alone Perfetti or Ehlers wouldn’t get Cozens, so they’d have to add to each or include both, but if that’s the case obviously Buffalo would have to add to Cozens coming back. Another top 9 forward or top 4 dman.

IMO, Perfetti alone doesn’t get you Cozens. Perfetti has never outscored Cozens after a season and this year he’s only marginally ahead. If you feel I’m overvaluing Cozens then I would argue others are overvaluing Perfetti. I doubt very much Buffalo would take Perfetti in a deal straight up. Not only is he a poor fit (another small, slow, skilled winger) but is his upside really greater?

At least a little you need to consider trajectory. Perfetti is still getting better every year. Cozens is getting worse.

Apart from his one great season in Buffalo Cozens doesn't have any accomplishment that isn't matched or exceeded by Perfetti. That 1 season bought him a big contract. He has done very little since. It is not a good look. It may or may not be fair but it has all the look of a guy who got his money and then coasted.

 

[Flair Hay]

At least a little you need to consider trajectory. Perfetti is still getting better every year. Cozens is getting worse.

Apart from his one great season in Buffalo Cozens doesn't have any accomplishment that isn't matched or exceeded by Perfetti. That 1 season bought him a big contract. He has done very little since. It is not a good look. It may or may not be fair but it has all the look of a guy who got his money and then coasted.

Buffalo does seem like the ripest ground for buy low on potential impact players...

If he wasn't struggling there he wouldn't be available

 

[Adam da bomb]

Was assuming his current scoring rate of a ppg would continue the entire season. If it does, he’ll be asking for, and will likely get (somewhere), $8+M/yr.

If it doesn’t, then you’re right, he’ll get a bit less. Still an increase on his current deal.

If we are projecting based on first half of season Connor is on his way to 90 pts which going by league avg earns him at least 10 mil based on what Nylabder got.

 

[Flair Hay]

8 mil for Ehlers is an overpay considering his career best

If Jets want to keep him they will have to bend a bit. His injuries have kept his impact down, but so has 3rd line mins and 2nd PP time for the last 5 years.

I think his stats this year under Arniel (inc some time missed to injury) are more reflective of his value than previous years where his PP time was all 2nd unit.

 

[Adam da bomb]

If Jets want to keep him they will have to bend a bit. His injuries have kept his impact down, but so has 3rd line mins and 2nd PP time for the last 5 years.

I think his stats this year under Arniel (inc some time missed to injury) are more reflective of his value than previous years where his PP time was all 2nd unit.

I think this year is his ideal usage, based on how they view him. Not bumping Connor etc. He is still pacing for 60-70 because of injury.

How much do 60-70 point guys get? Also, with the risk of injuries. I think 7.5.

Also add in his not being great in playoffs.

 

[DRW204]

fwiw in the off-season EvolvingHockey had Ehlers at 7.5M on a 5 year deal, and 8M+ on 8 years.

Literally the only thing Cozens has then is his 1 outlier season. Cozens hasn't shown he can play well in the playoffs either so that's not only on Perfetti. Perfetti also has 1 more season with a lower cap hit.

Everything about moving Perfetti for Cozens is moving a guy who's done everything asked by the Jets and is producing ok, for a guy who's producing less, but has an outlier season, and with the hope he rebounds and can play better and also bounce back and be able to play C.

And just so it doesn't seem like I think Perfetti is amazing and Cozens is bad, that's not the case. This talk just seems like a combo of grass is greener, minimizing our piece and maximizing the other piece.

Maybe Cozens turns into a 60 point beast of a centre. But why are the Jets paying full retail price for him when he's been struggling badly and is being paid as that 60 plus point player and not delivering? Usually when players are being paid more than their worth it's a reduction in value.

yeah the only way i move Perfetti(+) is for a clear tier up. no maybe's, which would imo be cozens.

 

[Flair Hay]

I think this year is his ideal usage, based on how they view him. Not bumping Connor etc. He is still pacing for 60-70 because of injury.

How much do 60-70 point guys get? Also, with the risk of injuries. I think 7.5.

Also add in his not being great in playoffs.

I think 7.5 is probably the sweet spot.

 

[Huffer]

Buffalo does seem like the ripest ground for buy low on potential impact players...

If he wasn't struggling there he wouldn't be available

Agreed, but the key idea is buy low. Especially for a guy who's currently not earning his current contract.

 

[10Ducky10]

Perfetti for Cozens.
You don't trade Perfetti for Cozens.
You trade for Cozens to play with Perfetti.

 

[Bob E]

If we are projecting based on first half of season Connor is on his way to 90 pts which going by league avg earns him at least 10 mil based on what Nylabder got.

True. $9M might be wishful thinking by the end of the season.

Perfetti for Cozens.
You don't trade Perfetti for Cozens.
You trade for Cozens to play with Perfetti.

I could definitely get behind that tbh. Not sure what the package looks like if Perfetti isn’t involved. Lambert or Yager, ++?

 

[Whileee]

Very true. The salary cap adds an important element no doubt.

I think teams would try to get that big young C under contract and worry about how it all works out afterwards. LA did that with PDL. They thought they fixed their C depth and liked the player. Gave up a lot to get him and it didn’t work out. But after this year, Vilardi might be the only impactful piece left in the deal and he needs a new deal too.

Don’t think in 2+ years we have:

Connor -$9+ M
Scheif - $8.5M
Helle -$8.5M
Ehlers - $8+ M
Vilardi- $7+M
Perfetti- $6+ M
JMo- $6.25M

That’s $53+ M for 7 guys. So, around $40M left for 16 players. Lots of decisions to be made for sure.

Cap is likely to escalate quickly in the next few years, and 53M for the top 7 is likely to be fine.

The bigger issue is that only one of the top 7 is a D. Jets probably need another top-end D to balance their roster.