Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[WolfHouse]

Demelo is not a top 4 D he lacks toughest and is not a top puck carrier/skater like Josh and you need one of those trades to be a top 4 but hey he wanted to stay in Winnipeg so can't complain too much.

But who actually replaced him in ottawa when you look at it... im reading stuff this season about chabot finally having a legit partner after all these years - the guy must do something right for him to still be mentioned like that

 

[raideralex99]

It seems to work with him and Morrissey and Scheif's line from time to time, better than any other defensive combination, and De Melo is mostly the guy who holds the line, keeps pucks in front of him. Foot speed when the big guns aren't skating will get exposed, but for some reason this combination of defense and forwards is the best one the Jets have for generating goals. I'm sure the stats support this.

De Melo's a fringe top 4 player, but last year's regular season success was no fluke. I think it's chemistry that the Jets work on. What changed in the playoffs, and I am not sure who made the decision, was to match up Morrissey and Melo against Mackinnon with Lowry's line, and have Pionk and Dillon/Samberg behind Scheif's line. Neither combination was overly successful, and that may get revisited, but Samberg and Pionk are probably not the ideal shudown pair either, as Pionk is wildly variable in his outcomes. Maybe not physical enough either. Miller is physical, but not a puck mover. Or a regular special teams contributor, so he's another rung down.

I wonder if the Jets take a look at Ceci for the deadline. Probably not the same top 4 d-man who went to game 7 Conference final paired with Phaneuf in 2017, took a lot of heat last year for being a weaker link, with Nurse. But he's battled tested, can kill penalties well, which is a role Pionk hasn't excelled in for playoff time. And can move around the lineup more than Miller.

I'm looking at playoffs that first round imo is the toughest. You get the most hits and lots of battles. I have seen Demelo get knock off the puck too easy and a lot. He's on an okay contact that doesn't hurt the team plus he wants to be in Winnipeg so I don't have a problem with that.
I don't think the Jets will be paying any D man more than Morrissey and they shouldn't ... Josh's contact is a steal. Chevy knows that and I think he will probably ask Josh for his input if he was
trying to get another top 4 D who has a bigger contact.
I know Ray Bourque had in his contact he had to be the highest paid D on the Bruins payroll.

But does Hronek do either of those things? I think he just worked with Hughes just Demelo and Mo.

I don't watch him closely to make a comment but for $7+M for 8 years he better be a top 4 D.
I know the media here doesn't like him and he's a very unlikeable guy.

 

[raideralex99]

But who actually replaced him in ottawa when you look at it... im reading stuff this season about chabot finally having a legit partner after all these years - the guy must do something right for him to still be mentioned like that

I'm not saying he is bad ... he's just not a top 4 for playoffs. Him and Josh do work together.
Partners do matter Don Cherry mentioned it on coaches corner I can't remember Karlsson first D partner in Ottawa ... he left for FA and Karlsson's defensive numbers dropped big time.
When I make comments now about players I'm looking towards the playoffs not regular season ... there will be no collapse unless there's major injuries.

 

[Channelcat]

Demelo will be fine. Post contract signing, and a new baby I think? I'm not worried......

 

[Jet]

Demelo will be fine. Post contract signing, and a new baby I think? I'm not worried......

Yeah, his body of work is far too large to worry that he's somehow fallen off a cliff. He's just not processing the game or executing as well as he usually does. I'd bet he plays his way out of it in the second half.

 

[DRW204]

ppl really think the Jets are trading roster players who got them to this standings position?
how many times do the Jets or comfortable PO teams in general do this?

esp w/ 2 guys who are extremely well-liked among the team, and around the organization. both are generally 2 of the best people to deal with from folks i've talked to close to the organization/team.

they just signed demelo and nino, they aren't bailing out of them in less than a year imo.

 

[Whileee]

I think DeMelo needs a bit of sheltering and the Jets need an option to replace Stanley on D.

But at this point I wonder if the biggest impact trade might be a big, fast and effective C to play with Ehlers and Perfetti. Namestnikov is fine, but that line could be much more of a weapon with a more dynamic C. Too many promising plays die with Namestnikov because he lacks high end skills to complement Ehlers and Perfetti.

 

[voyageur]

I think DeMelo needs a bit of sheltering and the Jets need an option to replace Stanley on D.

But at this point I wonder if the biggest impact trade might be a big, fast and effective C to play with Ehlers and Perfetti. Namestnikov is fine, but that line could be much more of a weapon with a more dynamic C. Too many promising plays die with Namestnikov because he lacks high end skills to complement Ehlers and Perfetti.

This seems like the unicorn. It wasn't Monahan.

Of all the UFA 2Cs available, I'm sure Nelson and Gourde (who is not big) have NTCs with Winnipeg on it. That leaves Granlund. Good player, but does he change anything? Do the Jets go longer term? How far away is Yager? I really like the idea of Perfetti-Yager-Chibrikov as a 2nd line as early as next season. Maybe keep Namestnikov for insurance.

Is there a player you see who fits the mold? Namestnikov is still the best defensive player on that line.

I saw you post Miller for top paring minutes. I wonder if Miller is capable of those minutes. Maybe it's the 3rd pairing role that is contributing to his success, I can't say, but it does seem like he is getting some load management. When is the last time Miller was a 20 minute a night defenseman?

 

[DRW204]

I think DeMelo needs a bit of sheltering and the Jets need an option to replace Stanley on D.

But at this point I wonder if the biggest impact trade might be a big, fast and effective C to play with Ehlers and Perfetti. Namestnikov is fine, but that line could be much more of a weapon with a more dynamic C. Too many promising plays die with Namestnikov because he lacks high end skills to complement Ehlers and Perfetti.

how many big fast top-6 caliber Cs are there. and if size and speed are your two main pain points, the weakest and slowest player is perfetti.

 

[Buffdog]

This seems like the unicorn. It wasn't Monahan.

Of all the UFA 2Cs available, I'm sure Nelson and Gourde (who is not big) have NTCs with Winnipeg on it. That leaves Granlund. Good player, but does he change anything? Do the Jets go longer term? How far away is Yager? I really like the idea of Perfetti-Yager-Chibrikov as a 2nd line as early as next season. Maybe keep Namestnikov for insurance.

Is there a player you see who fits the mold? Namestnikov is still the best defensive player on that line.

I saw you post Miller for top paring minutes. I wonder if Miller is capable of those minutes. Maybe it's the 3rd pairing role that is contributing to his success, I can't say, but it does seem like he is getting some load management. When is the last time Miller was a 20 minute a night defenseman?

I'd be looking at someone with term

Morgan Frost is someone who is think would fit there and might not cost a fortune to aquire. He's not big, but at 6'0 he's not small either

He seems like he's in and out of Tort's doghouse for whatever reason

I guess it also depends on Ehlers' intentions (if he's gone, Lambert could switch to the wing) and how far away Yager is (I'm guessing at least one year on thr Moose, maybe 2)

 

[Bob E]

I think DeMelo needs a bit of sheltering and the Jets need an option to replace Stanley on D.

But at this point I wonder if the biggest impact trade might be a big, fast and effective C to play with Ehlers and Perfetti. Namestnikov is fine, but that line could be much more of a weapon with a more dynamic C. Too many promising plays die with Namestnikov because he lacks high end skills to complement Ehlers and Perfetti.

Does scream Cozens, though you'd likely have to give at least one of Ehlers or Perfetti (maybe both) in a deal to get him.

 

[Whileee]

Does scream Cozens, though you'd likely have to give at least one of Ehlers or Perfetti (maybe both) in a deal to get him.

I wonder about Nelson from the Isles. Might get him for futures. He'd be a good C for that line.

 

[DRW204]

Does scream Cozens, though you'd likely have to give at least one of Ehlers or Perfetti (maybe both) in a deal to get him.

What previous trade are you basing that price for cozens.

 

[Whileee]

This seems like the unicorn. It wasn't Monahan.

Of all the UFA 2Cs available, I'm sure Nelson and Gourde (who is not big) have NTCs with Winnipeg on it. That leaves Granlund. Good player, but does he change anything? Do the Jets go longer term? How far away is Yager? I really like the idea of Perfetti-Yager-Chibrikov as a 2nd line as early as next season. Maybe keep Namestnikov for insurance.

Is there a player you see who fits the mold? Namestnikov is still the best defensive player on that line.

I saw you post Miller for top paring minutes. I wonder if Miller is capable of those minutes. Maybe it's the 3rd pairing role that is contributing to his success, I can't say, but it does seem like he is getting some load management. When is the last time Miller was a 20 minute a night defenseman?

I think a player might waive for a contender like the Jets. Pending UFA, so it gives him a chance to showcase and get some playoff action. He's from Minnesota, too.

 

[voyageur]

I'd be looking at someone with term

Morgan Frost is someone who is think would fit there and might not cost a fortune to aquire. He's not big, but at 6'0 he's not small either

He seems like he's in and out of Tort's doghouse for whatever reason

I guess it also depends on Ehlers' intentions (if he's gone, Lambert could switch to the wing) and how far away Yager is (I'm guessing at least one year on thr Moose, maybe 2)

I wondered if Scott Laughton was available. He's not necessarily a 2C but he plays some center and kills penalties, which is what you want if you are taking a Pker out of the lineup. He is 2nd on the Flyers for hits I believe and puck retrieval seems to be the need on an Ehlers line going back to Stastny. There might be a lot better options, like Frost or Nelson, but that's someone I see as interchangeable with Namestnikov.

The Yager timeline is an interesting one. I thought I saw a guy winning draws against NHL players in preseason. He looked the most center like in positioning. Weight is probably the biggest issue.

I think at some point with an aging core you have to look at youth to push the pace. 23-33 is probably the ideal ages for competitive teams. But you have exceptions to that.

 

[WolfHouse]

Most of these 2C targets have similar or worse stats than Names...

if we are looking at that level of player... id actuallu bring back Copp with salary retention - then see if theres chemistry with ehlers.. we know he fits the team and the system

 

[DRW204]

Most of these 2C targets have similar or worse stats than Names...

if we are looking at that level of player... id actuallu bring back Copp with salary retention - then see if theres chemistry with ehlers.. we know he fits the team and the system

cozens is certainly not having a good season, but how many players have gotten away from that dumpster fire and to prosperity? ROR, Eichel, Montour, Reinhart, even Ristolainen is playing well. He's 2 years removed from a 30+ goal ~70 pt campaign and 47 pts the following year is decent on a team that had a player high of 59 (tells me the offensive upside was low on this team). it's a bet for him to get back to where he was, and get that post-buffalo bounce. the Jets would have to be confident that he can center a top-6 line effectively to justify the trade capital + ~40M left on his contract.

If the 2nd line was producing like it was last year, id agree though. ie: namestnikov to monahan was negligible in terms of line stats. however, i don't think that has been the case this year. the Jets need another player to be able to add some offensive oomph to that line.

 

[Buffdog]

If we're putting a package together for Cozens and Nik was extending, I think I'd be OK including Lambert.... or even Perfetti.

The reality is that a second line built around Ehlers and Cozens could be filled out by any of Chibs, Lambert or Perfetti. That leaves the others as trade bait (with varying value)

If Ehlers has his foot out the door for sure, then that changes things obviously

That said, if Chevy calls on Cozens I think Salo is the ask to start. Sabres are massively deficient in RHD

 

[WolfHouse]

cozens is certainly not having a good season, but how many players have gotten away from that dumpster fire and to prosperity? ROR, Eichel, Montour, Reinhart, even Ristolainen is playing well. He's 2 years removed from a 30+ goal ~70 pt campaign and 47 pts the following year is decent on a team that had a player high of 59 (tells me the offensive upside was low on this team). it's a bet for him to get back to where he was, and get that post-buffalo bounce. the Jets would have to be confident that he can center a top-6 line effectively to justify the trade capital + ~40M left on his contract.

If the 2nd line was producing like it was last year, id agree though. ie: namestnikov to monahan was negligible in terms of line stats. however, i don't think that has been the case this year. the Jets need another player to be able to add some offensive oomph to that line.

I mean everyone on that line are on pace for potentuslly carwer highs...

Not sure what 2c available improves that... even cozens and i like him as a trade target

If we're putting a package together for Cozens and Nik was extending, I think I'd be OK including Lambert.... or even Perfetti.

The reality is that a second line built around Ehlers and Cozens could be filled out by any of Chibs, Lambert or Perfetti. That leaves the others as trade bait (with varying value)

If Ehlers has his foot out the door for sure, then that changes things obviously

That said, if Chevy calls on Cozens I think Salo is the ask to start. Sabres are massively deficient in RHD

The stats i dicate cozens thrived in granatos wide open system... which is basically the opposite of ours

If i was edmonton id be trying to cut a deal fir him

 

[DRW204]

I mean everyone on that line are on pace for potentuslly carwer highs...

Not sure what 2c available improves that... even cozens and i like him as a trade target

career highs driven due to their PP production. Names has 7 PP Points on the year already, he had 5 last year. Ehlers has 10 PP Points, vs 7 all of last year. their 5v5 scoring is down.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think DeMelo needs a bit of sheltering and the Jets need an option to replace Stanley on D.

But at this point I wonder if the biggest impact trade might be a big, fast and effective C to play with Ehlers and Perfetti. Namestnikov is fine, but that line could be much more of a weapon with a more dynamic C. Too many promising plays die with Namestnikov because he lacks high end skills to complement Ehlers and Perfetti.

I don't think there is any argument that we need both a 2C and a top 4 RHD upgrade. We are using band aids for both positions.

Yes that line would be more of a weapon with a more dynamic C. But Names brings good defensive play and forecheck, even if he is not the best offensively. That helps keep that line a net positive.

An upgrade at RHD would strengthen 2 spots, the one he plays and the one the displaced RHD goes to. Thinking ahead to PO hockey I think a bigger, more physical, 2 way Dman adds more than a 2C upgrade does.

But it is really hard to say which would contribute more. It would depend on precisely which C or which D we get.

I hope we don't go the same way as last year and get good player(s) who are just not quite the right fit.

 

[abax44]

This seems like the unicorn. It wasn't Monahan.

Of all the UFA 2Cs available, I'm sure Nelson and Gourde (who is not big) have NTCs with Winnipeg on it. That leaves Granlund. Good player, but does he change anything? Do the Jets go longer term? How far away is Yager? I really like the idea of Perfetti-Yager-Chibrikov as a 2nd line as early as next season. Maybe keep Namestnikov for insurance.

Is there a player you see who fits the mold? Namestnikov is still the best defensive player on that line.

I saw you post Miller for top paring minutes. I wonder if Miller is capable of those minutes. Maybe it's the 3rd pairing role that is contributing to his success, I can't say, but it does seem like he is getting some load management. When is the last time Miller was a 20 minute a night defenseman?

If Winnipeg keeps playing well, players may very well be willing to waive NTC for a chance at a long playoff run. Especially guys like Nelson and Gourde who have deals that expire at the end of this season and are teams that look unlikely to make the postseason.

Just because we're on a list, doesn't automatically kill a potential trade.

 

[Whileee]

I wondered if Scott Laughton was available. He's not necessarily a 2C but he plays some center and kills penalties, which is what you want if you are taking a Pker out of the lineup. He is 2nd on the Flyers for hits I believe and puck retrieval seems to be the need on an Ehlers line going back to Stastny. There might be a lot better options, like Frost or Nelson, but that's someone I see as interchangeable with Namestnikov.

The Yager timeline is an interesting one. I thought I saw a guy winning draws against NHL players in preseason. He looked the most center like in positioning. Weight is probably the biggest issue.

I think at some point with an aging core you have to look at youth to push the pace. 23-33 is probably the ideal ages for competitive teams. But you have exceptions to that.

I agree, generally. I don't think players like Laughton or Frost are much of an improvement on Namestnikov. I think the Jets need a clear step up in talent at that C, and that they can't burn this season waiting for their prospects. They are too good to not try to make a run this season, even if that means giving up a prime prospect and/or a 1st.

The good thing is that the Jets' gaps are pretty clear, even if they will be expensive to fill.

 

[bustamente]

I think Chevy might be a gun shy on the rental market, it really has not served him well. On the hand he has had much more success when he makes a hockey trade and I think that's the route he is going to go. Move a player or two plus a prospect or two to get the player or players that this team needs.

 

[WolfHouse]

I think Chevy might be a gun shy on the rental market, it really has not served him well. On the hand he has had much more success when he makes a hockey trade and I think that's the route he is going to go. Move a player or two plus a prospect or two to get the player or players that this team needs.

Like hasnt served him well besides nino, names, miller?

I would agree to stay away from the shiny new toy scorer... who sulks when they get here