Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[voyageur]

His PO performance was a long time ago. He was a different player then.

Yes it is hard to imagine the Canadiens as a Stanley Cup finalist 3 1/2 years ago But it actually happened. He was very good last year on a bad team, maybe motivated a little more by getting demoted early in the season. Half retained I think there is still a player there. Definitely has had some bright playoff moments over his career.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I wouldn't mind Pulock as well to improve the right side (and have mentioned him before, as well as I beleive his recent NY wife), but IMO you are absolutely correct. Perfetti and a 1st is an overpay.

I wouldn't move Perfetti alone for Pulock and I doubt the Jets do either.

I would do Lambert + late 1st. I think Lambert is being overvalued here, mostly on his D+1 in the WHL. Not sure that would be enough for NYI.

 

[KingBogo]

I'd go for that in a heartbeat - but Weegar has a full NTC.

Calgary isn't exactly a go to destination over Winnipeg. And while Weegar is from Ontario I personally know he has some family in Winnipeg and I wouldn't rule out he'd wouldn't waive to come to Winnipeg.

 

[10Ducky10]

Pulock just got married.
He isn't going anywhere.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The problem is that Stanley can cause a lot of problems in 12 minutes of play. An unnecessary penalty. Missing a D assignment. Those things cost goals, and ultimately cost games on occasion. Conversely, what does his penchant for fighting actually contribute? I know teammates and some fans like it, but ultimately it's about winning the game. The Jets aren't good enough to have to make up for Stanley's deficits.


Arniel has made it crystal clear that he'll keep forcing Stanley into the line-up until Chevy prevents it by either moving Stanley or replacing him with another big, physical D.

It's on Chevy now...

In spite of his size, Stanley isn't really very good in that role either, though he is trying. Fleury is pretty big, but not that physical. If that is what it takes I wish Chevy would bite the bullet and pay to get a real solution. As it stands right now, we would have been better off keeping Dillon. Better Dman than Stan, better physically and a better fighter too, if we must have a fighter.

We probably could have extended Dillon last year well before end of season for less than he ended up getting in FA. He was complaining about not having received an offer.

 

[Wpgpage]

Half retained I think there is still a player there. Definitely has had some bright playoff moments over his career.

The Jets unlike most teams could take him on at full price. MTL only had one retention spot left so if they want to move Davorak, Savard, or Matheson and retain money they have to move out Armia at full price. 2027 4th and another later round pick in 25/26. Gives them another RH shot a good PK player and a guy with playoff experience. Worst case scenario he sucks and is the 14th forward in that case I'd take Armia over JAD, AJF and Toninato for sure. Best case he can help the PK and maybe actually mange to not shoot the puck 14 feet wide when he gets an opportunity.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yes it is hard to imagine the Canadiens as a Stanley Cup finalist 3 1/2 years ago But it actually happened. He was very good last year on a bad team, maybe motivated a little more by getting demoted early in the season. Half retained I think there is still a player there. Definitely has had some bright playoff moments over his career.

For a 5th rd pick, he would be worth picking up.

 

[voyageur]

In spite of his size, Stanley isn't really very good in that role either, though he is trying. Fleury is pretty big, but not that physical. If that is what it takes I wish Chevy would bite the bullet and pay to get a real solution. As it stands right now, we would have been better off keeping Dillon. Better Dman than Stan, better physically and a better fighter too, if we must have a fighter.

We probably could have extended Dillon last year well before end of season for less than he ended up getting in FA. He was complaining about not having received an offer.

Jets wanted Samberg moving up the lineup. Dillon as a 3rd pairing defenseman is worth less. He got 2nd pairing money from Jersey.

Jets have $3 million in Cap space right now to improve at the deadline. Match Dillon's offer and not only do you not have the Cap space, but you lose one of Stanley/Miller, and are tight walking the Cap through the season. Which is not how the organization operates. Honestly with the way Fleury has played, and can skate, I like the way the defense has been retooled.

Just 49 more games to go listening to people complain about Stanley.

 

[10Ducky10]

One way to negate some of his defecits is by having Adam Lowry out there with him, who is a positive impact player. Negates defensive zone breakdowns.

I think the jacket he got against Boston was an example of how his teammates feel about him, and that's big, knowing you have somebody out there who has your back, and if you take him off the ice it isn't going to affect the performance of the team in any significant way.

I honestly think the dressing room likes the guy, which is what a team is made of. While you can make a team succesful out of converging personalities like Wheeler/Laine, Buff/Trouba, this team is different. I think from the outside they are still largely seen as fragile, soft, in the post Buff era. Probably softer post Dillon.

I am probably, like you, hoping for Stan not to be a starter in the playoffs, but for now at the least, any defecits he has seem to be mitigated by other players contributing.

You seriously want Stanley playing against the other team's best players???
If you want to negate the defensive zone breakdowns, sit Stanley and play Heinola.

 

[Whileee]

Once Samberg is back Stanley is off the ice. Its clear that Fleury has moved over him. It wouldn't shock me to see Stanley and/or Heinola shipped off at the deadline

I'm not so sure that Arniel will take Stanley out of the line-up once Samberg is back, but it would be welcome.

I agree that Stanley and/or Heinola are likely to be traded... The Jets don't appear to have much confidence in Heinola, and Stanley is going to give them ulcers if they keep throwing him into the line-up.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I actually see 3LD as the position they're most likely to try and address this year. It feels to me like re-signing Pionk is a given. Not interested in debating the merits of that, but it feels like the organization is going to re-sign him. Salomonsson is waiting in the wings, and Miller is "good enough" for a 3RD for now. So RD is set.

Stanley or Heinola would have to go the other way in a deal. Ideally you target a puck-mover, but if Stanley goes out in trade, they're probably going to try and replace his toughness. Not going after an all-star here, just a steady all-around guy who is as physical as Stanley, but is better at... well, everything else . Think Brendan Dillon 2.0

JMo - Demelo
Samberg - Pionk
"new Dillon" - Miller
Fleury & one of Stanley/Heinola as the extras (whoever doesn't get traded)

I think we already have a perfectly decent 3LD already in Fleury and maybe Heinola is better again. He is still not getting much of an opportunity, paired with Stan on his off side.

DeMelo was never a true 1RD. He was adequate when paired with JMo. This year, he is less than adequate. Pionk started the year looking good, though some of his underlying numbers were still weak. Without Samberg he has reverted to the same Pionk we saw the last few years. Miller might actually be better than either of them.

Just because we have a couple of guys signed for several more years does not mean that our right side is set.

By all appearances we have a better chance of getting DeMelo or Pionk out of the lineup than we have of getting Stan out. The org's loyalty to him is irrational, at best.

I do agree that 3LD should be the weakness easiest to upgrade. I just don't see any indication that the org is interested in it. With JMo, Samberg, Stanley the left side is as set as you can ask for. On the right side, they probably want to upgrade on Miller.

 

[Adam da bomb]

This is what I don't get. They are the best team in the league. Stanley has played in 21 of 33 games. Jets are 15-5-1 with him in the lineup. You can say that is because of all the other players, Helly, Morrissey, Scheifele, etc, and it's true. But if Stanley had such an overwhelming defecit, the Jets wouldn't be so good with him in the lineup.

One way to negate some of his defecits is by having Adam Lowry out there with him, who is a positive impact player. Negates defensive zone breakdowns.

I think the jacket he got against Boston was an example of how his teammates feel about him, and that's big, knowing you have somebody out there who has your back, and if you take him off the ice it isn't going to affect the performance of the team in any significant way.

I honestly think the dressing room likes the guy, which is what a team is made of. While you can make a team succesful out of converging personalities like Wheeler/Laine, Buff/Trouba, this team is different. I think from the outside they are still largely seen as fragile, soft, in the post Buff era. Probably softer post Dillon.

I am probably, like you, hoping for Stan not to be a starter in the playoffs, but for now at the least, any defecits he has seem to be mitigated by other players contributing.

I agree I don’t want Stan in line up, but, sometimes the abuse he gets on here is nuts.

 

[voyageur]

You seriously want Stanley playing against the other team's best players???
If you want to negate the defensive zone breakdowns, sit Stanley and play Heinola.

Heinola hasn't proven he can handle any physicality yet. And hasn't had a single rep on the PK this year. Not every shift Lowry takes, especially on the road, is against team's best players. So there's that. At home you can match Stanley up differently, more protected.

 

[DRW204]

I actually see 3LD as the position they're most likely to try and address this year. It feels to me like re-signing Pionk is a given. Not interested in debating the merits of that, but it feels like the organization is going to re-sign him. Salomonsson is waiting in the wings, and Miller is "good enough" for a 3RD for now. So RD is set.

Stanley or Heinola would have to go the other way in a deal. Ideally you target a puck-mover, but if Stanley goes out in trade, they're probably going to try and replace his toughness. Not going after an all-star here, just a steady all-around guy who is as physical as Stanley, but is better at... well, everything else . Think Brendan Dillon 2.0

JMo - Demelo
Samberg - Pionk
"new Dillon" - Miller
Fleury & one of Stanley/Heinola as the extras (whoever doesn't get traded)

They'll roll with Stanley or Fleury until the tdl I think, and if Fleury is leaps and bounds better maybe keep him at 3ld for the PO push.
But I find it hard to beleive a serious cup contender looks at what Stanley has done on tape this year and is confident going into the PO's with that. High tendency for penalties, turnover prone, not some defensive stalwart.... Not sure if there's a worse combination of traits for defenseman.

 

[Adam da bomb]

You seriously want Stanley playing against the other team's best players???
If you want to negate the defensive zone breakdowns, sit Stanley and play Heinola.

Sit heinola trade Stanley, marry Nicole Kidman.

 

[KingBogo]

I agree I don’t want Stan in line up, but, sometimes the abuse he gets on here is nuts.

Agreed Stanley has made it to the HFBoard Jets HOF of whipping boys joining the likes of Pavs, Thorburn and Stuart.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Once Samberg is back Stanley is off the ice. Its clear that Fleury has moved over him. It wouldn't shock me to see Stanley and/or Heinola shipped off at the deadline

I hope you are right. I really do. But Fleury was clearly better than Stanley in the first 4 games of the season. As soon as Stanley was cleared to play, Fleury was in the PB.

I buy @voyageur 's idea that they play him for physicality and fighting. Not that it makes sense. Just that it appears to be the explanation. It is about roles. That's why we don't see a steady diet of Heinola - Miller for the 3rd pair.

 

[Romang67]

I don't know what the discussion even is about. They have told you all why Stanley is playing. Arniel didn't lie. They play Stanley because he's not going to improve sitting on the bench. They think Stanley will improve by playing. They are playing Stanley because they still believe that he will transform into an NHL D-man after a decade of not doing so.

It's not some mystery. The answer has been given, black on white.

 

[Buffdog]

Just from my eye test, Demelo has been worse than Stanley recently (I realize there's probably a disparity in QoC tho)

Compared to the rest of the D, Stanley leads in GF% (except for Heinola who has a relatively small sample size - but has also been paired with Stanley, which is weird) and his xGF% is only behind JoMo

So are we only using those metrics to bash the top line and heap praise on Ehlers? Are we gonna "well, yeah BUT..." them? Or maybe do we need to ask ourselves whether or not Stanley *just might* be not as bad as we've led ourselves to believe?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Calgary isn't exactly a go to destination over Winnipeg. And while Weegar is from Ontario I personally know he has some family in Winnipeg and I wouldn't rule out he'd wouldn't waive to come to Winnipeg.

As long as he would agree, I would pay a pretty strong price to get him here.

In a way, I would prefer the younger Andersson, but Weegar is locked up for 6 years after this one at a reasonable cap hit. Andersson could go to market after next year or demand a lot more money to extend.

We would then be free to let Pionk walk. The right side could be Weegar, Salomonsson, DeMelo.
JMo - Weegar
Samberg - Salomonsson
Fleury/Heinola/Stanley - DeMelo
is a pretty nice D corps.

If we are lucky Flames want Stan as part of the return for Weegar because, 6'7.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Wonder how this spell has affected ehlers value? We needed him out there, but, he can’t help us from pb while you can spend money on someone who will help.

 

[KingBogo]

Just from my eye test, Demelo has been worse than Stanley recently (I realize there's probably a disparity in QoC tho)

Compared to the rest of the D, Stanley leads in GF% (except for Heinola who has a relatively small sample size - but has also been paired with Stanley, which is weird) and his xGF% is only behind JoMo

So are we only using those metrics to bash the top line and heap praise on Ehlers? Are we gonna "well, yeah BUT..." them? Or maybe do we need to ask ourselves whether or not Stanley *just might* be not as bad as we've led ourselves to believe?

Agreed, Stanley actually shows well in GF% and xGF%. He isn't a CF% darling but interestingly neither are all of our best forwards, including the usual possession beast Ehlers. Bottom line is we score more with Stanley on the ice then we get scored against and he is a big physical presence and Arniel is taking winning over beauty points.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Jets wanted Samberg moving up the lineup. Dillon as a 3rd pairing defenseman is worth less. He got 2nd pairing money from Jersey.

Jets have $3 million in Cap space right now to improve at the deadline. Match Dillon's offer and not only do you not have the Cap space, but you lose one of Stanley/Miller, and are tight walking the Cap through the season. Which is not how the organization operates. Honestly with the way Fleury has played, and can skate, I like the way the defense has been retooled.

Just 49 more games to go listening to people complain about Stanley.

I don't think we would have needed to match Dillon's offer, at least not quite, if we had extended him this time last year. Can't be certain of course but he seemed to want to stay here. He got his nose out of joint when he didn't get an offer but that was after the season ended. By then he would have needed extra to stay here.

Move Stanley and keep Dillon for 3.5 AAV works with the cap.

 

[KingBogo]

I don't think we would have needed to match Dillon's offer, at least not quite, if we had extended him this time last year. Can't be certain of course but he seemed to want to stay here. He got his nose out of joint when he didn't get an offer but that was after the season ended. By then he would have needed extra to stay here.

Move Stanley and keep Dillon for 3.5 AAV works with the cap.

My take is they wanted to make room for Samberg to move up to the top 4 and then it is a decision of making Dillion a highly paid #3 in his declining years. This season it is probably worth it, but how about a couple years down the line?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This is what I don't get. They are the best team in the league. Stanley has played in 21 of 33 games. Jets are 15-5-1 with him in the lineup. You can say that is because of all the other players, Helly, Morrissey, Scheifele, etc, and it's true. But if Stanley had such an overwhelming defecit, the Jets wouldn't be so good with him in the lineup.

One way to negate some of his defecits is by having Adam Lowry out there with him, who is a positive impact player. Negates defensive zone breakdowns.

I think the jacket he got against Boston was an example of how his teammates feel about him, and that's big, knowing you have somebody out there who has your back, and if you take him off the ice it isn't going to affect the performance of the team in any significant way.

I honestly think the dressing room likes the guy, which is what a team is made of. While you can make a team succesful out of converging personalities like Wheeler/Laine, Buff/Trouba, this team is different. I think from the outside they are still largely seen as fragile, soft, in the post Buff era. Probably softer post Dillon.

I am probably, like you, hoping for Stan not to be a starter in the playoffs, but for now at the least, any defecits he has seem to be mitigated by other players contributing.

I dunno, maybe. Jets are hanging on by their fingernails to get wins lately. Stan is part of that. We are only 5-4-1 in our last 10.

Having him out with Lowry puts both fighters on the ice at the same time. Kind of reduces the benefit of having Stan at all.

I agree that the room appears to like him but that should only carry a man so far. I'm pretty sure they don't much like killing his penalties.

If he remains the starter through the season, he probably plays in the PO too.