Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[surixon]

He's the best defensive player on that line and a good puck distributor. The Kings 2nd goal came when he wasn't on the ice and you saw a total breakdown in defensive zone coverage.

I wonder what the analytics really look like with Ehlers and Perfetti. Like stuff we don't see. How often do those two make plays that lead to each other's scoring chances? Namestnikov is kind of the wheel in that line in terms of making plays. And he's probably the only one who will go to the net regularly.

He brings stuff to the table but if you are looking to upgrade he's the obvious spot. Every other line has a person with size for board work and net front. So if you want to know why that line looks different then the template it's due to that.

One of the reasons I wanted to see Cole at center is because you could move a Nino to that line to do that role and then move Barron to Lowry's line to take Nino's role.

As per Garrett, his tracking data has Namestnikov far below his linemates in scoring chance and scoring chance creation data. Actually he ranks dead last among forwards whereas Cole ranks 4th behind Ehlers, KC, amd Scheifele.

 

[voyageur]

He brings stuff to the table but if you are looking to upgrade he's the obvious spot. Every other line has a person with size for board work and net front. So if you want to know why that line looks different then the template it's due to that.

One of the reasons I wanted to see Cole at center is because you could move a Nino to that line to do that role and then move Barron to Lowry's line to take Nino's role.

As per Garrett, his tracking data has Namestnikov far below his linemates in scoring chance and scoring chance creation data.

Except Lowry's line is the real driver of this team. Outscoring Ehlers line. I wouldn't mess with that one. I don't know how dissatisfied Arny is having his 2-3 centers in the 50 point range. That's a big reason for the Jets success.

 

[surixon]

Except Lowry's line is the real driver of this team. Outscoring Ehlers line. I wouldn't mess with that one. I don't know how dissatisfied Arny is having his 2-3 centers in the 50 point range. That's a big reason for the Jets success.

That was my thinking around camp. I wouldn't mess with that line now while they are still red hot.

I wouldn't mess with much right now given we are first in the league. I expect Cole and Fly to start putting the puck in the net with what they generate.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

My guess is Yager will need atleast a year in the AHL. The org as it has with most every prospect these days will take their time integrating them. Lambert likely makes it full time his d plus 4 year and I'd put Yager on a similar timeline.

I could see Yager making the Jets next year, maybe. But, if so I doubt he plays 2C, or even the 2Cb that we have this year. If he moves up that early he will likely start as a winger before moving to 2C the next year. Either way he is at least 2 more seasons away from 2C.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I don't think Yager will be able to slot in as a 2C on a contender next year. He will need more development and experience.

Ehlers is basically getting 2nd line usage now, and producing (though his play-driving metrics are down a bit).

I could see the Jets letting Ehlers play out the year as an "own rental" and try to re-sign him before he hits UFA. But I wonder if Chevy would try another type of move that brings in a roster player with some term, instead.

If the Jets don't move Ehlers, I still see Chevy making a move for a 2C and I would think he would try to acquire a player that would have a bit of term.

One player that I think would really fit the Jets now and the future is Ryan McLeod (Sabres). They traded a good prospect for him and he wouldn't be cheap. But I think he would be a terrific C for the Jets on the 2nd or 3rd line. He has terrific speed and creates a lot of pressure and chances, and has some skill. He's rangy with good reach, too.

I don't think he has the offense for 2C.

 

[Wpgpage]

Radar would be amazing but it seems pretty clear he wants nothing to do with a Canadian media market lol. Yager might ultimately become a good fit with Fly. There is no one out there right now potentially available that really looks like a great fit.

 

[roccerfeller]

^ I still think highly of Lambert and Ehlers

 

[WolfHouse]

He brings stuff to the table but if you are looking to upgrade he's the obvious spot. Every other line has a person with size for board work and net front. So if you want to know why that line looks different then the template it's due to that.

One of the reasons I wanted to see Cole at center is because you could move a Nino to that line to do that role and then move Barron to Lowry's line to take Nino's role.

As per Garrett, his tracking data has Namestnikov far below his linemates in scoring chance and scoring chance creation data. Actually he ranks dead last among forwards whereas Cole ranks 4th behind Ehlers, KC, amd Scheifele.

Names on pace for 51 points, Perfetti on pace for 55... Names possession numbers are pretty strong - I wouldn't mess with things too much

I still prefer the Nino-Names-Ehlers line but Im also not sure Perfetti is ready to play a shut down role against the opposition top guys

 

[DRW204]

The second line's two offensive catalysts are supposed to be ehlers and perfetti. One of them is producing well, the other is not. Are people looking at Namestnikov to all of a sudden be some offensive force? That's not supposed to be him on that line it's Ehlers and the recent top 10 pick.

Names is pacing similarly to Perfetti in points and has 5 goals compared to 0 at 5v5. That shouldn't be happening given the comparables that are thrown around for Perfetti around here. Why is Namestnikov getting the brunt of the criticism?

 

[WolfHouse]

The second line's two offensive catalysts are supposed to be ehlers and perfetti. One of them is producing well, the other is not. Are people looking at Namestnikov to all of a sudden be some offensive force? That's not supposed to be him on that line it's Ehlers and the recent top 10 pick.

Names is pacing similarly to Perfetti in points and has 5 goals compared to 0 at 5v5. That shouldn't be happening given the comparables that are thrown around for Perfetti around here. Why is Namestnikov getting the brunt of the criticism?

Because if we criticize Perfetti then I'll post that we should have picked Lundell... and then only Inanna will be able to save us from the spiralling debate

 

[DRW204]

Because if we criticize Perfetti then I'll post that we should have picked Lundell... and then only Inanna will be able to save us from the spiralling debate

Any real criticism for Namestnikov actually stems from Perfetti's failure at C.

 

[Jack7222]

The second line's two offensive catalysts are supposed to be ehlers and perfetti. One of them is producing well, the other is not. Are people looking at Namestnikov to all of a sudden be some offensive force? That's not supposed to be him on that line it's Ehlers and the recent top 10 pick.

Names is pacing similarly to Perfetti in points and has 5 goals compared to 0 at 5v5. That shouldn't be happening given the comparables that are thrown around for Perfetti around here. Why is Namestnikov getting the brunt of the criticism?

I feel like that line does okay on the back of all three being decent defensively in different ways, but should be producing way more. They really don't make a lot of plays that connect. I wouldn't write off Perfetti before trying him in a different situation, but not sure how you blender things while we're still #1...

 

[DRW204]

I feel like that line does okay on the back of all three being decent defensively in different ways, but should be producing way more. They really don't make a lot of plays that connect. I wouldn't write off Perfetti before trying him in a different situation, but not sure how you blender things while we're still #1...

I'm not writing him off, I'm commenting on his play or production to date this season. ppl are shitting on Namestniko's offense yet those two basically in the same tier of points through a quarter of the year. Maybe another question is do the Jets need an additional Wing upgrade again on the second line.

Was the expectation for Namestnikov and Perfetti to produce similarly on offense? I really doubt it.

Then consider the fact at actual 5v5 play, where line configs matter, Names has 5 goals compared to 0.

 

[Flair Hay]

If you want to fix that line then you need to upgrade Namestnikov. He's not a legit 2C and never has been. If you could get a Ryan O'Reilly two way 2C with size and board play it would stylistically look like the other lines.

ROR may be slow as hell but at least last year was still very effective. Basically another Stastny. Does everything so well.

 

[Jack7222]

I'm not writing him off, I'm commenting on his play or production to date this season. ppl are shitting on Namestniko's offense yet those two basically in the same tier of points through a quarter of the year. Maybe another question is do the Jets need an additional Wing upgrade again on the second line.

Was the expectation for Namestnikov and Perfetti to produce similarly on offense? I really doubt it.

Then consider the fact at actual 5v5 play, where line configs matter, Names has 5 goals compared to 0.

Namestnikov is 32 years old and has a career high of 44 points, Perfetti is a new player who has played the majority of his time with ENP line and Namest as his center. Like I said, I'd like to see Perfetti used in some other situations before "commenting on his play or production to date". Names is what he is but Perfetti clearly does have some offensive upside.

 

[DRW204]

Namestnikov is 32 years old and has a career high of 44 points, Perfetti is a new player who has played the majority of his time with ENP line and Namest as his center. Like I said, I'd like to see Perfetti used in some other situations before "commenting on his play or production to date". Names is what he is but Perfetti clearly does have some offensive upside.

OK so what? We're talking about their play this year so far. No one is writing him off for future years or talking about stats from years ago.

Edit: I kind of see what you're saying however it's not really the point.

The crux of my point is not so much trying to gage upside. Perfetti should have more upside than Namestnikov, he's a recent top 10 pick. I'm not seeing that upside that people claim and unfortunately for him he has no real other spot in the line up.

Meanwhile Namestnikov is getting the brunt of the criticism, while he has 5/11 of the line's goals and Perfetti has 0. But that just gets glossed over?

 

[Flair Hay]

Scorers are streaky. Scheifele is going through something.

I think if you subtract the San Jose game where Scheifele was coasting with a lead and the 2nd line was just pumping chances the numbers aren't so different between 1 and 2. Top line definitely gets harder matchups.

This is both all of last year and this year. Sure, subtract the mpst recentSan Jose game... unless I'm misunderstanding something? This is last year and this year both for Scheifele Connor Vilardi and Ehlers Namestnikov Perfetti.

The top line gets harder matchups for sure. That's part of what I'm getting at. Maybe they should be splitting the load a bit more evenly. One line scores 2 goals for every goal they give up. And the other line breaks even.

 

[DRW204]

According to money puck the Jets second line has 11 GF this year with one of their Fwds having 0. The other two top 9 lines have 13 GF each.

Yet the player with 5/11 goals is the problem.

 

[NA Hockey]

OK so what? We're talking about their play this year so far. No one is writing him off for future years or talking about stats from years ago.

Edit: I kind of see what you're saying however it's not really the point.

The crux of my point is not so much trying to gage upside. Perfetti should have more upside than Namestnikov, he's a recent top 10 pick. I'm not seeing that upside that people claim and unfortunately for him he has no real other spot in the line up.

Meanwhile Namestnikov is getting the brunt of the criticism, while he has 5/11 of the line's goals and Perfetti has 0. But that just gets glossed over?

I am pretty Perfetti gets lots of criticism on here and the talk of writing him off or poor plays is crazy. I earlier wrote that he has more points than Beniers, Byfield, Mercer, Pinto, Wyatt Johnston, McTavish, Slafkovsky and similar to Lafrenier and. Emard and I know no one is writing them off.