Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[kylbaz]

Why is Columbus trading jiricek? Wonder if there was any discussion with mcgroaty before we traded him.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Why is Columbus trading jiricek? Wonder if there was any discussion with mcgroaty before we traded him.

He has been pretty poor and likely needs time in the AHL but he doesn't want to play there. From what it sounds like he is a below average skater and it is hurting him at the NHL level. He seems to be a top AHL D, so who knows.

I think going to the AHL after his draft hurt his development. They should have sent him to Spokane and let him really dominate for a year and then sent him to the AHL. Now he has some issues and his confidence is shot and his confidence in CBus to help him though this is shot.

Would I trade for him? I guess it depends. I mean where is he going to play? He isn't replacing anyone right now and he doesn't want to play in the AHL so what are you going to do? Sure we might miss out on a really good top 4 guy in 2 to 3 years but it doesn't help us at this moment. Let the Mild trade Rossi for him

 

[buggs]

The projected cap increase will increase the salaries of all high end UFAs this off-season. I'm not at all certain that 8 will do it.

I've long joked around that Chevy will always use the "but Scheifele" clause in negotiations. I've been saying that since Scheifele signed his original, very good value deal coming off his ELC. I contended that Chevy would go into any negotiation with any other player that might have been asking for more and Chevy would always say "well ________ I'd agree that you're probably worth that but Scheifele isn't making that much and he's our team leader, so I can't really justify paying you that much without rocking the boat and upsetting Mark".

Obviously that isn't how those conversations go but thus far it's sort of worked out that way. And I think, in spite of the cap, Chevy would probably still negotiate with Nik like that - 'well Nik, Mark is outpacing you in many areas. I know the cap is going up but how do I make that work?'

I suppose he could always bring in the "but Hellebuyck" clause as well as he's the clear team MVP.

I'm a little concerned on what Chevy will do with some of the players though. Someone else said let Appleton walk and replace with Barron. Great idea but I will always worry about TNSE's loyalty blind spot. Didn't happen with Tanev so I'm hoping Chevy maintains that approach.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm not so sure. A good season here and a deep run could convince him to stay. I feel like Chevy already knows what Niks plans are so he'll know if they plan on waiting the season out or if they have no intention on staying.

If he has no intention on staying then the only trade that makes sense right now is one that improves the team right now.

Sure, it is possible. But once the season is over he can go anywhere. The good season and PO run only enhance his market value.

If they were close on a contract it would be done by now. Being a quarter of the way through his UFA season, either one side or the other is less than anxious to get it done.

 

[surixon]

He has been pretty poor and likely needs time in the AHL but he doesn't want to play there. From what it sounds like he is a below average skater and it is hurting him at the NHL level. He seems to be a top AHL D, so who knows.

I think going to the AHL after his draft hurt his development. They should have sent him to Spokane and let him really dominate for a year and then sent him to the AHL. Now he has some issues and his confidence is shot and his confidence in CBus to help him though this is shot.

Would I trade for him? I guess it depends. I mean where is he going to play? He isn't replacing anyone right now and he doesn't want to play in the AHL so what are you going to do? Sure we might miss out on a really good top 4 guy in 2 to 3 years but it doesn't help us at this moment. Let the Mild trade Rossi for him

I'd personally pass because we don't have a roster spot for him and I really don't want that entitled attitude in the AHL with our other prospects.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I've long joked around that Chevy will always use the "but Scheifele" clause in negotiations. I've been saying that since Scheifele signed his original, very good value deal coming off his ELC. I contended that Chevy would go into any negotiation with any other player that might have been asking for more and Chevy would always say "well ________ I'd agree that you're probably worth that but Scheifele isn't making that much and he's our team leader, so I can't really justify paying you that much without rocking the boat and upsetting Mark".

Obviously that isn't how those conversations go but thus far it's sort of worked out that way. And I think, in spite of the cap, Chevy would probably still negotiate with Nik like that - 'well Nik, Mark is outpacing you in many areas. I know the cap is going up but how do I make that work?'

I suppose he could always bring in the "but Hellebuyck" clause as well as he's the clear team MVP.

I'm a little concerned on what Chevy will do with some of the players though. Someone else said let Appleton walk and replace with Barron. Great idea but I will always worry about TNSE's loyalty blind spot. Didn't happen with Tanev so I'm hoping Chevy maintains that approach.

That mindset may have worked with extending RFA players. Players who are close to UFA will be a different story. Their agents know the cap is going up. They will have a cap % in mind that they know they can get, or get close too, as FA and that is what it will take.

 

[WolfHouse]

Still funny to see the lack of.respect for Ehlers here.. hes finally mobed to pp1 and we suddenly rank #1 in the league but he still gets minimal credit from the usual suspects on here.

Yup its a different system but without ehlers movement our pp would naturally gravitate back to 'blake wheeler overpassing' like it always has...

Guy is on pace for 90 points and we want t trade him - ridiculous

 

[Gm0ney]

The problem of a self rental would be if the Jets bow out in the first round and Ehlers wont re sign, people will be very upset first and foremost about the playoffs and secondly watching Ehlers leave with nothing in return.

You have to give the team the best shot at winning in the playoffs. I don't see how Ehlers returns something better than Ehlers right away. If the Jets were deadline sellers and could afford to trade him for picks and prospects then maybe they win that trade.

But as much as Dubois was GM catnip, Ehlers is GM, uh...cucumbers? (Cucumbers freak cats right out).

 

[voyageur]

He has been pretty poor and likely needs time in the AHL but he doesn't want to play there. From what it sounds like he is a below average skater and it is hurting him at the NHL level. He seems to be a top AHL D, so who knows.

I think going to the AHL after his draft hurt his development. They should have sent him to Spokane and let him really dominate for a year and then sent him to the AHL. Now he has some issues and his confidence is shot and his confidence in CBus to help him though this is shot.

Would I trade for him? I guess it depends. I mean where is he going to play? He isn't replacing anyone right now and he doesn't want to play in the AHL so what are you going to do? Sure we might miss out on a really good top 4 guy in 2 to 3 years but it doesn't help us at this moment. Let the Mild trade Rossi for him

I think the Blues might try to get him having drafted his brother last year. They could offer a prospect like Snuggerud who would fit on that Jackets team.

No one is talking about the fact that the Jackets picked up Fabbro on waivers, and he's now playing top 4 minutes, over 20 minutes a night and they've won 3 straight to stay in the WC race. Not sure what Trotz was doing there, seems like Fabbro was tradeable?

 

[Egresch]

This might be a homer perspective, but, this is a homer page not general page, but, matheson doesn’t move the needle for me. It would have to be something mtl doesn’t want to give up to even get conversation started like Guhle. Which should end the conversation for mtl.
I don’t see jets trading for prospects or picks and the piece I want back has to be a heck of lot better than matheson to get conversation started. Essentially I’d want an overpay.

Agree, this would require heavy overpay to acquire him. MTL is actually quite loaded with RHDs- Barron, Reinbacher, Mailloux is very good comparing to league standard. Guhle and Struble can play right side as well.

 

[raideralex99]

Still funny to see the lack of.respect for Ehlers here.. hes finally mobed to pp1 and we suddenly rank #1 in the league but he still gets minimal credit from the usual suspects on here.

Yup its a different system but without ehlers movement our pp would naturally gravitate back to 'blake wheeler overpassing' like it always has...

Guy is on pace for 90 points and we want t trade him - ridiculous

I think its more of they would rather have picks/prospects instead of losing Ehlers to FA and have nothing to show for it. IMO Ehlers is the most like forward on this board.
Seriously question thou which is better ... to lose a player to FA and get nothing or lose a player, a 1st and a prospect for the same result?
This can change in a few months but as of right now the team chemistry is great why rock the boat .. ride it out. The Blues won the Cup with no TDL trades just a coaching change.
Speaking of coaches Ehlers getting on the #1 PP unit were the coaches decisions ... those idiots are finally gone.

 

[raideralex99]

I think the Blues might try to get him having drafted his brother last year. They could offer a prospect like Snuggerud who would fit on that Jackets team.

No one is talking about the fact that the Jackets picked up Fabbro on waivers, and he's now playing top 4 minutes, over 20 minutes a night and they've won 3 straight to stay in the WC race. Not sure what Trotz was doing there, seems like Fabbro was tradeable?

It happens all the time with a new GM in every sport.
Teams with new GMs are always the ones that make the most transactions in their first couple of years. They have to put their stamp on their team and so far Trotz is batting .000.

 

[Moloch]

Agreed that the wild should trade rossi for him, it would piss off plenty of fans.
I personally would pass on Jiricek too - I'm too high on Salo to even care

 

[Whileee]

The Ehlers situation is one of the more interesting and consequential for the Jets. My guess is that the Jets could find a deal that both sides like. Maybe a year longer than the Jets want, and a bit lower AAV than Ehlers wants. But Ehlers is getting a solid 16 minutes a night with PP1 usage. He's getting the same number of shifts per game as Vilardi, and about the same PP time. The TOI difference is about 14% per game, which is due to Vilardi taking longer shifts.

Also, the vibes on the team must be pretty good right now with all the winning.

The big question is whether Chevy thinks that Ehlers might be the trade chip to bring in a top-end 2C or a top-4 D, or maybe even a different type of winger (like Tuch or Crouse). I still wonder if Chevy might want to change the team structure a bit for the playoffs this year and beyond.

I still think the right play is to trade futures for a 2C that the Jets can plug in for the next 3-5 seasons instead of Namestnikov. But I don't think trading Ehlers is out of the question unless the Jets continue to kill it in the regular season.

 

[voyageur]

The Ehlers situation is one of the more interesting and consequential for the Jets. My guess is that the Jets could find a deal that both sides like. Maybe a year longer than the Jets want, and a bit lower AAV than Ehlers wants. But Ehlers is getting a solid 16 minutes a night with PP1 usage. He's getting the same number of shifts per game as Vilardi, and about the same PP time. The TOI difference is about 14% per game, which is due to Vilardi taking longer shifts.

Also, the vibes on the team must be pretty good right now with all the winning.

The big question is whether Chevy thinks that Ehlers might be the trade chip to bring in a top-end 2C or a top-4 D, or maybe even a different type of winger (like Tuch or Crouse). I still wonder if Chevy might want to change the team structure a bit for the playoffs this year and beyond.

I still think the right play is to trade futures for a 2C that the Jets can plug in for the next 3-5 seasons instead of Namestnikov. But I don't think trading Ehlers is out of the question unless the Jets continue to kill it in the regular season.

You don't see Yager as a future 2C? Maybe as early as next season?

Ehlers isn't a trade chip at this point. If the team was failing he would be, but everyone is contributing. Ehlers is having a career year. Ride with it because tomorrow isn't promised. If Ehlers puts up another goose egg in the playoffs it's a lot easier to walk away or move forward. So that's the one to watch.

He's part of of a UFA class that includes Rantanen and Marner and you could bet teams will be paying big dollars on July 1st with the Cap going up if these guys hit UFA. That's where you want to avoid overpayment. Everyone who re-signed with the Jets since Wheeler's loyalty contract has left something on the table for Chevy to work with.

I think the Jets are only going to keep one of KC and Ehlers long term for the 30+ years. Because they will want to invest in more than top 6 wingers to stay competitive.

I know people love this guy, but he's playing on the 3rd line technically as Lowry often matches up against the best and teams try to get their best players/d-men out against Scheif's line.

So that's a fairly soft role to move into, neither the primary offensive or defensive driver, generate secondary offense and contribute on the PP.

 

[surixon]

You have to give the team the best shot at winning in the playoffs. I don't see how Ehlers returns something better than Ehlers right away. If the Jets were deadline sellers and could afford to trade him for picks and prospects then maybe they win that trade.

But as much as Dubois was GM catnip, Ehlers is GM, uh...cucumbers? (Cucumbers freak cats right out).

Yup, Chevy has to manage the players as well and trading a key player just to recoup a first or so likely doesn't sit well with the room.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

The worst thing that will happen with Ehlers is they hold on to him and he walks in the off season. I still think they sign him though

 

[surixon]

You don't see Yager as a future 2C? Maybe as early as next season?

Ehlers isn't a trade chip at this point. If the team was failing he would be, but everyone is contributing. Ehlers is having a career year. Ride with it because tomorrow isn't promised. If Ehlers puts up another goose egg in the playoffs it's a lot easier to walk away or move forward. So that's the one to watch.

He's part of of a UFA class that includes Rantanen and Marner and you could bet teams will be paying big dollars on July 1st with the Cap going up if these guys hit UFA. That's where you want to avoid overpayment. Everyone who re-signed with the Jets since Wheeler's loyalty contract has left something on the table for Chevy to work with.

I think the Jets are only going to keep one of KC and Ehlers long term for the 30+ years. Because they will want to invest in more than top 6 wingers to stay competitive.

I know people love this guy, but he's playing on the 3rd line technically as Lowry often matches up against the best and teams try to get their best players/d-men out against Scheif's line.

So that's a fairly soft role to move into, neither the primary offensive or defensive driver, generate secondary offense and contribute on the PP.

My guess is Yager will need atleast a year in the AHL. The org as it has with most every prospect these days will take their time integrating them. Lambert likely makes it full time his d plus 4 year and I'd put Yager on a similar timeline.

 

[Whileee]

You don't see Yager as a future 2C? Maybe as early as next season?

Ehlers isn't a trade chip at this point. If the team was failing he would be, but everyone is contributing. Ehlers is having a career year. Ride with it because tomorrow isn't promised. If Ehlers puts up another goose egg in the playoffs it's a lot easier to walk away or move forward. So that's the one to watch.

He's part of of a UFA class that includes Rantanen and Marner and you could bet teams will be paying big dollars on July 1st with the Cap going up if these guys hit UFA. That's where you want to avoid overpayment. Everyone who re-signed with the Jets since Wheeler's loyalty contract has left something on the table for Chevy to work with.

I think the Jets are only going to keep one of KC and Ehlers long term for the 30+ years. Because they will want to invest in more than top 6 wingers to stay competitive.

I know people love this guy, but he's playing on the 3rd line technically as Lowry often matches up against the best and teams try to get their best players/d-men out against Scheif's line.

So that's a fairly soft role to move into, neither the primary offensive or defensive driver, generate secondary offense and contribute on the PP.

I don't think Yager will be able to slot in as a 2C on a contender next year. He will need more development and experience.

Ehlers is basically getting 2nd line usage now, and producing (though his play-driving metrics are down a bit).

I could see the Jets letting Ehlers play out the year as an "own rental" and try to re-sign him before he hits UFA. But I wonder if Chevy would try another type of move that brings in a roster player with some term, instead.

If the Jets don't move Ehlers, I still see Chevy making a move for a 2C and I would think he would try to acquire a player that would have a bit of term.

One player that I think would really fit the Jets now and the future is Ryan McLeod (Sabres). They traded a good prospect for him and he wouldn't be cheap. But I think he would be a terrific C for the Jets on the 2nd or 3rd line. He has terrific speed and creates a lot of pressure and chances, and has some skill. He's rangy with good reach, too.

 

[surixon]

I don't think Yager will be able to slot in as a 2C on a contender next year. He will need more development and experience.

Ehlers is basically getting 2nd line usage now, and producing (though his play-driving metrics are down a bit).

I could see the Jets letting Ehlers play out the year as an "own rental" and try to re-sign him before he hits UFA. But I wonder if Chevy would try another type of move that brings in a roster player with some term, instead.

If the Jets don't move Ehlers, I still see Chevy making a move for a 2C and I would think he would try to acquire a player that would have a bit of term.

One player that I think would really fit the Jets now and the future is Ryan McLeod (Sabres). They traded a good prospect for him and he wouldn't be cheap. But I think he would be a terrific C for the Jets on the 2nd or 3rd line. He has terrific speed and creates a lot of pressure and chances, and has some skill. He's rangy with good reach, too.

My concern is the Jets already have a number of long and mid term deals to players in their 30's. Imo I think you need be mindful of not having too many big dollar deals to players who are in their decline years. I'd personally only want one of Ehlers/KC inked through their mid 30's.

 

[Whileee]

The worst thing that will happen with Ehlers is they hold on to him and he walks in the off season. I still think they sign him though

I tend to agree. If they aren't able to extend his contract, I think they trade him.

I'd love to keep him and add a good 2C using some prospect capital (Barlow? Chibrikov? Lambert?). The two prospects I'd hang onto for sure (if the Jets re-sign Ehlers) are Yager and Salomonsson. Kevin He's very strong step forward this season might make Barlow and Chibrikov a bit more redundant.

 

[TS Quint]

Yeah last kid we got from CBJ with attitude issues didn't work out so well on the ice for us but he did get us a good haul. This time around this kid hasn't proven a thing yet and if he's uncoachable then I would think Chevy has learned his lesson with these types and will pass unless it's a pennies on the dollar situation.

For 2/3 years Dubois was the best 2C Jets 2.0 has ever had at a great price.

 

[Daximus]

For 2/3 years Dubois was the best 2C Jets 2.0 has ever had at a great price.

Which is saying something. We have had a rough run at 2C. I hope one of our young guns takes the reigns eventually.