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My point is that now is the time to feed him minutes and figure out if you have something. He's had a couple tough turnovers but overall I have liked his play during this call-up and I think there's something there worth cultivating. Unless Grier and co. are just totally giving up on him, I think this is a bad move.

I suspect there were will be moves in the nearish future that will give room for Muhk.

They have no room for him currently and if their hope is to trade either Thrun or Ferraro, they need them to play and be showcased for now. They obviously don’t want Muhk to be sitting on the bench waiting for the trade to happen, so… AHL.

I sort of suspect a Ferraro trade in the near future - he feels like a leader-type teams would want in the playoffs.
 
I suspect there were will be moves in the nearish future that will give room for Muhk.

They have no room for him currently and if their hope is to trade either Thrun or Ferraro, they need them to play and be showcased for now. They obviously don’t want Muhk to be sitting on the bench waiting for the trade to happen, so… AHL.

I sort of suspect a Ferraro trade in the near future - he feels like a leader-type teams would want in the playoffs.
There probably will be but it may not happen until the deadline in a couple months. I'm just confused as to why you'd send down Muk when the Barracuda don't play until Saturday but not call up a forward when Kostin and Kovalenko aren't traveling with the team to start the road trip. I'd rather Muk travel with them and sit instead of leaving a roster spot open.
 
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I suspect there were will be moves in the nearish future that will give room for Muhk.

They have no room for him currently and if their hope is to trade either Thrun or Ferraro, they need them to play and be showcased for now. They obviously don’t want Muhk to be sitting on the bench waiting for the trade to happen, so… AHL.

I sort of suspect a Ferraro trade in the near future - he feels like a leader-type teams would want in the playoffs.
If they trade Ferraro before the deadline, it will be for minimal value and done as a favor to Ferraro to get him to a playoff team a la Burns. I would be shocked if Thrun were moved at the deadline too. Hence the issue. All four of Walman, Ferraro, Thrun, and Vlasic are almost certainly here until the summer.
 
There probably will be but it may not happen until the deadline in a couple months. I'm just confused as to why you'd send down Muk when the Barracuda don't play until Saturday but not call up a forward when Kostin and Kovalenko aren't traveling with the team to start the road trip. I'd rather Muk travel with them and sit instead of leaving a roster spot open.

Best case scenario for me is that they could be waiting to see if Zetterlund is able to play, and if he is, they just re-assign Mukhamadullin right back to the Sharks. Hence why there's no corresponding move yet. They could still recall a forward, but maybe don't need one for the whole road trip.

I agree with the overall point made in the thread though, because it's been my one frustration with these past couple years: It's so backwards that we, a rebuilding team, don't have roster spots available for young players unless there's been a rash of injuries. When some of the guys depart this season, I hope we don't fill those spots back up in the offseason with middling "NHLers." I'd die inside.
 
It's his D+4 (or is it 5) year. That's a little concerning yeah? Our LD is a log jam but it isn't great after Walman
Other than a lucky goal, it's hard to say that he stood out in a good way from a guy like Thrun.

This just seems to be how this front office operates. If you're waiver exempt, you're going to be the one sent down when we have too many bodies. It's why I expect Graf to be back in the AHL soon.

People here like to be "concerned" but this seems pretty on brand for us.
I think the only thing that's kept Graf up here as long as he has been is that they've been able to keep swapping out guys on injured reserve, but that's gonna end soon.
 
It's concerning that Grier hasn't made room for him to stay permanently. Mukhamadullin showed he's good enough to stay in the lineup and he brings an aspect to our defense--a bonafide puck-carrier--that we don't otherwise have.
Good enough to stay in the lineup is not a real high bar to clear on this team. I think you're overstating how well he played up here.
 
I think Thrun right now is the biggest obstacle towards playing time for Muk. Vlasic being moved doesn’t do anything since he is being scratched anyways.

I am not a big fan of Thrun but the team thinks he need a to play over Muk.

Especially since they aren’t competitive this year I would move Ferraro and play Muk and Thrun the rest of the year. They need to know what they have with these two going into the offseason. If one can play competent top 4 minutes then they don’t need to get another LD. If one can’t then they need to acquire a short term top 4 LD next season to go with Walman. They can’t have their D this bad going into next year.
I don't think it's that they think Thrun needs to play over Mukhamadullin. It's that Mukhamadullin didn't make a case that he is better than Thrun and so he goes back to the AHL because he doesn't need to be put on waivers. I don't think Grier has any illusions that any of our current LHD other than Walman are core pieces going into next year, especially if he's listening to offers for Ferraro.

I would absolute advocate for getting a short-term vet LHD for next year (I'm assuming that they don't want to count on Vlasic to fill that role no matter how well he plays the rest of the year) and have the third pairing LD go to whichever youngish guy proves he deserves it the most next year between Mukhamadullin, Cagnoni, and Dickinson. Thrun I would either keep as a #7 guy that sometimes rotates in or move if Vlasic establishes that he can stay healthy through the rest of the year.
 
Sharks should trade Ferraro for Zac Jones and a 3rd right now


If they don't see the potential in him yet they still keep chugging Thrun out there and also think playing Ruuta is good for the team then they may as well just waive him.
That wouldn't really help the problem since Jones is another LD who needs to be playing in the NHL to develop/see what's there. And he wouldn't be ideal for the Sharks, anyway, as he's more offensive-oriented and from what I've seen, kind of soft and not a great defender. I feel like we already have some guys who could become that type of player (who fits on the third pair, likely at best).

I really would like to see Mukhamadullin stick in the Sharks lineup, though, because he strikes me as someone whose main obstacle is self-confidence. He has basically everything you could ask for: the size, the skating, a good shot, solid passing ability. But he appears tentative on the ice much too often--unfortunately, that's the kind of thing that probably pisses coaches off most in hockey, because it's sort of a "snowflakey" type of thing.

When you see him playing freely, though, just being like, "f*** it" and skating away from and around guys in his own zone to clear a situation, it's like, YES--this is a guy. But the only way he's going to become comfortable doing that more often and making that approach the norm for him is with a lot of experience at the NHL level. (I have a feeling even if he were to become a regular right now, we'd probably still be having some of these frustrations with him in a year, maybe two--and then one day it might just all finally click.)
 
That wouldn't really help the problem since Jones is another LD who needs to be playing in the NHL to develop/see what's there. And he wouldn't be ideal for the Sharks, anyway, as he's more offensive-oriented and from what I've seen, kind of soft and not a great defender. I feel like we already have some guys who could become that type of player (who fits on the third pair, likely at best).

I really would like to see Mukhamadullin stick in the Sharks lineup, though, because he strikes me as someone whose main obstacle is self-confidence. He has basically everything you could ask for: the size, the skating, a good shot, solid passing ability. But he appears tentative on the ice much too often--unfortunately, that's the kind of thing that probably pisses coaches off most in hockey, because it's sort of a "snowflakey" type of thing.

When you see him playing freely, though, just being like, "f*** it" and skating away from and around guys in his own zone to clear a situation, it's like, YES--this is a guy. But the only way he's going to become comfortable doing that more often and making that approach the norm for him is with a lot of experience at the NHL level. (I have a feeling even if he were to become a regular right now, we'd probably still be having some of these frustrations with him in a year, maybe two--and then one day it might just all finally click.)
Mukhamadullin wasn't exactly killing it with the Barracuda either. Go down and play at a high level and if the Sharks clear out a few LHD who aren't exactly killing it at the NHL level, make a new case for yourself when you come back.
 
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The corresponding goalie movie for the Carriere call-up wasn't what I was expecting:

We've signed Samuel St-Hilaire to a full AHL contract, and then sent him to Wichita (ECHL). St-Hilaire was on an amateur tryout up until now.
 
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The corresponding goalie movie for the Carriere call-up wasn't what I was expecting:

We've signed Samuel St-Hilaire to a full AHL contract, and then sent him to Wichita (ECHL). St-Hilaire was on an amateur tryout up until now.
So we now have seven goalies in the system? Georgiev, Askarov, Vanacek, Romanov, Dell, Carriere, and St. Hilaire (and I suppose Trevor Gorsuch under contract with Wichita).

Maybe a trade is in the works involving someone.
 
So we now have seven goalies in the system? Georgiev, Askarov, Vanacek, Romanov, Dell, Carriere, and St. Hilaire (and I suppose Trevor Gorsuch under contract with Wichita).

Maybe a trade is in the works involving someone.

Yeah, looks that way. I assume as is, once Vanecek is healthy Askarov is sent back down, Dell or Carriere then go to the ECHL and the Cuda carry three goalies.

I'd guess they might be preparing for an eventual Vanecek trade, but we already had adequate cover for that.
 
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My point is that now is the time to feed him minutes and figure out if you have something. He's had a couple tough turnovers but overall I have liked his play during this call-up and I think there's something there worth cultivating. Unless Grier and co. are just totally giving up on him, I think this is a bad move.
I largely agree. I'm not sure what Grier is thinking with this.
There were 8 healthy defensemen on the roster. Mukhamadullin is the only one who is waiver exempt. Hence he was sent down. This isn't some mystery.
 
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There were 8 healthy defensemen on the roster. Mukhamadullin is the only one who is waiver exempt. Hence he was sent down. This isn't some mystery.
Not the point! The point is that there shouldn't be seven healthy waiver-eligible defensemen on this roster when you have a 23 year old defense prospect that needs NHL ice time.
 
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Not the point! The point is that there shouldn't be seven healthy waiver-eligible defensemen on this roster when you have a 23 year old defense prospect that needs NHL ice time.
So what's the solution? Break Vlasic's knees? 2-3 of these defensemen will be traded by the deadline and Shak will get his minutes.
 
So what's the solution? Break Vlasic's knees? 2-3 of these defensemen will be traded by the deadline and Shak will get his minutes.
Yes. Or waive Thrun. Or make the years-overdue Ferraro trade.

The "two or three defensemen" traded at the deadline are just going to be Ceci and maybe Rutta if anyone wants him for a 7th.
 
Yes. Or waive Thrun. Or make the years-overdue Ferraro trade.

The "two or three defensemen" traded at the deadline are just going to be Ceci and maybe Rutta if anyone wants him for a 7th.
Yes the issue is not with the RD that will be traded. This will be the same issue next year in one of Walman, Ferraro, or Thrun are not moved in the offseason.
 
Yes. Or waive Thrun. Or make the years-overdue Ferraro trade.

The "two or three defensemen" traded at the deadline are just going to be Ceci and maybe Rutta if anyone wants him for a 7th.
Who do you think will get called up for the final 20 games of the season after the Ceci trade?
 
Yes the issue is not with the RD that will be traded. This will be the same issue next year in one of Walman, Ferraro, or Thrun are not moved in the offseason.
I don't think the LD vs. RD thing matters in this case. All our LD can play the right side if necessary so even if they are all brought back for next season that doesn't squeeze out Shak.

Honestly? It might be Thompson. I don't think Warsofsky has played a lefty on the right side all season.
Thompson is not getting called up over Mukhamadullin. Warso hasn't needed to play a lefty on the right side since he has had Ceci, Rutta and Liljegren/Benning at his disposal the entire season. That changes if one or more of them are traded.
 
Not the point! The point is that there shouldn't be seven healthy waiver-eligible defensemen on this roster when you have a 23 year old defense prospect that needs NHL ice time.
I disagree. While this team needs to focus on developing young players it also needs to raise the floor on its overall performance. You don’t do that with too many rookies and reclamation projects in the lineup. With the current roster, both Thompson and Mukhamadullin have played 20-25% of the games because of injuries. I also expect Ceci and Rutta to be traded at the deadline giving Shakir less competition for playing time. As it stands, I don’t think it’s a bad thing to ask a player to outplay guys like Thrun or Ferraro to earn ice time. How about, go dominate for the Cuda (has he done that?) then come take a job.
 
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I'm not prepared to speculate on who will/won't get moved at the deadline and the implications for the logjam at LD, but I will say... with a mediocre D pipeline (which we do indeed have), asking those young, inexperienced LD to play their offside while ALSO stepping up to NHL caliber is not a good call.

It does matter. It isn't everything, but it does matter.
 
Not the point! The point is that there shouldn't be seven healthy waiver-eligible defensemen on this roster when you have a 23 year old defense prospect that needs NHL ice time.
Mukhamadullin hasn't looked very good, and the Sharks' defense is jammed, so it makes sense that he's been demoted. Carrots and sticks only work when, occasionally, you actually use the stick!
 
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