GDT: 2024-25 season game 37 LA Kings vs New Jersey Devils @3:00pm 1/1/25

[Sol]

Uh oh the shit talking has already begun from oilers fans on nationals. Who said this doesn’t build hate? lol

 

[dabeechman]

The trade value for Fiala was exactly right. An established scorer in his prime, with controlled rights, for a 1st round pick and high quality prospect.

I'm a Fiala hater, but even I can see the value at the time was correct. (That doesn't mean it's a good trade)

I also don't think the PLD trade and contract were overpayments on paper. Again, I don't like the trade, and I can't stand the player, but the trade value seems about right.

I agree that hindsight on Fiala is unfair and at the time it was fair value on the trade.

PLD's contract on the other hand, I completely disagree with. Signing a player with a history of motivational issues with a career high of 63 points to an 8.5AAV contract was an absolutely terrible decision. We all knew it the day it was reported.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I think both picks were the issue for me. Both were unnecessary and/or too high. A round lower for each would have been right for me.

Spence would have been a better option if we were giving a 1st away also. I felt that at the time. I accept value for Fiala is arguable though.

Wrt PLD, Iaffalo was a cap dump essentially and even then the pick felt unnecessary to me. A 3rd or 4th rounder would have been fine.

But do you let the difference of a 2nd to a 3rd, or a 1st to a 2nd, stop you from getting the player you want....(right or wrong player, different argument)

Keep in mind, draft picks are lottery picks, do you keep a scratcher ticket, from getting $1,000 ? Yea, the scratcher COULD be worth more.....but in reality, it's only a what, 30% chance to hit on something, maybe?

 

[King'sPawn]

But do you let the difference of a 2nd to a 3rd, or a 1st to a 2nd, stop you from getting the player you want....(right or wrong player, different argument)

Keep in mind, draft picks are lottery picks, do you keep a scratcher ticket, from getting $1,000 ? Yea, the scratcher COULD be worth more.....but in reality, it's only a what, 30% chance to hit on something, maybe?

If it's not the right time, yes, you should absolutely stop yourself.

Say you want a $1 million home working a minimum wage job. Should you get the house and spend more than you can afford just because you want it?

 

[johnjm22]

PLD's contract on the other hand, I completely disagree with. Signing a player with a history of motivational issues with a career high of 63 points to an 8.5AAV contract was an absolutely terrible decision. We all knew it the day it was reported.

He got the contract that I would expect.

A center with his attributes and pedigree, at that age, is going to get that type of deal. A cap hit that's a too high in the short term but looks better as the cap goes up.

Again, I don't like the deal, but it's about right on paper.

 

[bland]

I agree that hindsight on Fiala is unfair and at the time it was fair value on the trade.

PLD's contract on the other hand, I completely disagree with. Signing a player with a history of motivational issues with a career high of 63 points to an 8.5AAV contract was an absolutely terrible decision. We all knew it the day it was reported.

Its not hindsight if you knew it ahead of time.

Fiala was a pretty good scorer coming off if a breakout year who can't play with your best players. Faber was a stud prospect who was undervalued by most here at the time. The threads still exist, it's not hindsight. It was a poor decision.

 

[johnjm22]

I think both picks were the issue for me. Both were unnecessary and/or too high. A round lower for each would have been right for me.

A 26 year old winger, coming off an 85 point season, with restricted rights, is gonna cost you a 1st round pick and more if you're not sending an establish player back.

 

[Trash Panda]

I don’t think anyone is arguing the cost on paper was too much. 26 year old PPG players cost a 1st and a prospect, almost every time.

Most are arguing simply that the kings shouldn’t have paid it, and that the return on investment has been piss poor. There is a whole lot more that goes into an effective hockey player outside of points, and Kevin does pretty much none of it.

A hair under a point per game coupled with the worst defensive play (and statistics) on the team, isn’t gonna cut it from your 2nd highest paid player.

 

[funky]

People will hate this as we paid a ton to get Fiala and he probably is the most offensively gifted player on the team, but he goes in a trade to Buffalo for Tuch


i’m not sure if Buffalo even bats an eye as him as a centerpiece, put an address as a few of our needs.

Big right shot winger that goes to the net

A right shot that can score for the power-play

I don’t know another massive body guy. We’re building a very big team and no matter what, that does make it hard to play against.

Drew is coming back and will take a spot on the power-play. Drew on one power-play and Clarke on the other has us in great shape.

Tuch on a line with Byfield and Foegle give us a true second line scoring line. Alex can stay up on the top line.

Trevor and Phil stay together on the third line with Laf. Basically a two-way line that can for check and hit and put the odd goal.

Then comes the boom line with Tanner, Hallenius, and Thomas and Lewis can take turns switching out

I just think Tuch brings Q to the next level and elevates him to the second line as well as helps fix our power-play problems as well as balances out the lefty ready combination

 

[Schrute farms]

Fiala: debatable whether it was a "bad trade" at the time value wise. I think it slightly was because you are getting a flawed player who doesn't fit the Kings system. What is clear is that it was a bad decision because it was the wrong time for the Kings.

PLD: anyone trying to argue that the trade wasn't a bad trade (WAY overpay) and horrible extension -- well it's quite clear that there's no use having a true discussion with that person.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

If it's not the right time, yes, you should absolutely stop yourself.

Say you want a $1 million home working a minimum wage job. Should you get the house and spend more than you can afford just because you want it?

Shit people do that all the time these days,

Again, timing of it, right player or not etc, you don't let the difference of a round, stop you.

 

[King'sPawn]

A 26 year old winger, coming off an 85 point season, with restricted rights, is gonna cost you a 1st round pick and more if you're not sending an establish player back.

Not all picks and prospects are equal. An Edmonton 1st round pick isn't the same as a San Jose first round pick.

San Jose made a big trade for Erik Karlsson. It's arguable they made a fair value trade, as it included multiple firsts.

One of the firsts ended up being Tim Stutzle, because San Jose's window was closing, and they thought to make a big push.

So, was it worth making the push, even if the value was fair?

The Kings paid fair value, but it's more than what they should have paid at the time. They could have afforded trading away a lesser value player or pick. Would that get you Fiala? Probably not. But then maybe the Kings should have waited for someone else they like at a later time. Or traded for someone they could afford.

Shit people do that all the time these days,

Again, timing of it, right player or not etc, you don't let the difference of a round, stop you.

You don't think teams should care about timing or cost as long as they get who they want? I guess we'll just have to disagree.

 

[johnjm22]

Not all picks and prospects are equal. An Edmonton 1st round pick isn't the same as a San Jose first round pick.

San Jose made a big trade for Erik Karlsson. It's arguable they made a fair value trade, as it included multiple firsts.

One of the firsts ended up being Tim Stutzle, because San Jose's window was closing, and they thought to make a big push.

So, was it worth making the push, even if the value was fair?

The Kings paid fair value, but it's more than what they should have paid at the time. They could have afforded trading away a lesser value player or pick. Would that get you Fiala? Probably not. But then maybe the Kings should have waited for someone else they like at a later time. Or traded for someone they could afford.

Yes, and usually the team that's buying is expecting to be competitive thus their 1st round pick has less value.

Sharks thought they were gonna be contending for awhile when the acquired Karlsson. They never thought that 2020 pick would be so high in the draft.

 

[BaileyFan]

Fiala: debatable whether it was a "bad trade" at the time value wise. I think it slightly was because you are getting a flawed player who doesn't fit the Kings system. What is clear is that it was a bad decision because it was the wrong time for the Kings.

PLD: anyone trying to argue that the trade wasn't a bad trade (WAY overpay) and horrible extension -- well it's quite clear that there's no use having a true discussion with that person.

Fiala trade was not a bad one at the time. It has just very quickly turned into a trade on par with the PLD one which was rightfully universally panned as one of the worst deals in the last decade from the moment it was even speculated as a rumor. Just sucks that it worked out the way it has and that we are likely stuck with him for the long haul.

 

[Kudelski37]

The trade value for Fiala was exactly right. An established scorer in his prime, with controlled rights, for a 1st round pick and high quality prospect.

I believe Fiala was available because the Wild had to dump salary. If so, paying full value was an overpayment.

 

[johnjm22]

I believe Fiala was available because the Wild had to dump salary. If so, paying full value was an overpayment.

The Kings aren't the only team in the league.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Not all picks and prospects are equal. An Edmonton 1st round pick isn't the same as a San Jose first round pick.

San Jose made a big trade for Erik Karlsson. It's arguable they made a fair value trade, as it included multiple firsts.

One of the firsts ended up being Tim Stutzle, because San Jose's window was closing, and they thought to make a big push.

So, was it worth making the push, even if the value was fair?

The Kings paid fair value, but it's more than what they should have paid at the time. They could have afforded trading away a lesser value player or pick. Would that get you Fiala? Probably not. But then maybe the Kings should have waited for someone else they like at a later time. Or traded for someone they could afford.


You don't think teams should care about timing or cost as long as they get who they want? I guess we'll just have to disagree.

Not what I said, I said it's a different argument, than was the value fair.

a bottom half 1st round pick, while still valuable, holds the same value as a top 2nd round pick, about the same percentage chance that that player hits.

 

[King'sPawn]

Yes, and usually the team that's buying is expecting to be competitive thus their 1st round pick has less value.

Sharks thought they were gonna be contending for awhile when the acquired Karlsson. They never thought that 2020 pick would be so high in the draft.

Chessmaster William Lombardy said "Castle if you must, castle if you so desire, but never castle just because you can."

The point is just because it's fair value doesn't mean it's the right move.

 

[Kudelski37]

The Kings aren't the only team in the league.

Few teams had cap room. Of those, which wanted Fiala and would offer a first. The number of possible suitors was very small.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I believe Fiala was available because the Wild had to dump salary. If so, paying full value was an overpayment.

100%, if LA was the only team in the league.

 

[johnjm22]

Chessmaster William Lombardy said "Castle if you must, castle if you so desire, but never castle just because you can."

The point is just because it's fair value doesn't mean it's the right move.

I don't disagree.

It's fair value, but it's a bad trade. Both can be true.

 

[johnjm22]

Few teams had cap room. Of those, which wanted Fiala and would offer a first. The number of possible suitors was very small.

There's rare occasions when teams get a high value player at a discount because of cap constraints, but usually they get fair regardless.

Walman and Bjorkstrand are some examples, but it only takes 2 teams out of 31 to drive up the value to par.

 

[Surf Nutz]

 

[Surf Nutz]

If it's not the right time, yes, you should absolutely stop yourself.

Say you want a $1 million home working a minimum wage job. Should you get the house and spend more than you can afford just because you want it?

 

[Surf Nutz]

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