GDT: 2024-25 season game 30 LA Kings vs New York Rangers @10:00am 12/14/24

[kingsholygrail]

Faber is the new Cernak.

 

[Herby]

Oh, I get it now ... GMs are supposed to have a crystal ball and use it appropriately prior to a trade.

So again, even yourself who is self-proclaimed expert of all that is hockey....YOU GOT IT WRONG TOO, YES?

Me, I still don't have a problem with it, Kings needed a top-6 winger, they got one...Blake addressed an issue. Still love Fiala.

Didn't @All The Kings Men in a recent podcast he doesn't remember Faber at all in last game? Yah, me either.

No, never said that, GM's win and lose some trades, you can't win them all. But the Faber trade was very clearly a huge loss (Blake's worst as GM of the Kings). Anybody who is not a complete and total homer can see this.

When did I ever self proclaim myself "The expert of all that is hockey", sorry some of us like to have intelligent hockey discussions with other fans on this forum, and some would rather act like a pathetic troll on a hockey forum. That is the existence you have made for yourself in this community.

Oh, and one fan didn't remember Faber in one game, OMG stop the presses, kick him off the best vs best team he just made when he is (to quote your pathetic line) "barely old enough to buy a beer" and stop payment on his contract extension for next season, he clearly sucks.

Faber is the new Cernak.

I don't think this is a fair statement, Faber is better in just about all facets of the game. Faber was calder runner up last year, just made a loaded Team USA in a best vs best at 22 and signed an extension that fits a star defenseman. Cernak is a 2nd pairing defender.

To put it in historical Kings bad-trade perspective, Faber was like giving away Larry Murphy, Cernak was like giving away Garry Galley.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

No, never said that, GM's win and lose some trades, you can't win them all. But the Faber trade was very clearly a huge loss (Blake's worst as GM of the Kings). Anybody who is not a complete and total homer can see this.

Respectfully disagree - the PLD debacle is Blake's worst (it's not even close) and may go down as being in top 5 of worst trades in Kings history.

Community.....lol.

 

[Kingfan1967]

Respectfully disagree - the PLD debacle is Blake's worst (it's not even close) and may go down as being in top 5 of worst trades in Kings history.

Community.....lol.

This so much , with the Fiala trade we can see the logic even if in hindsight it was a "bad" trade , PLD was so much worst at first glance , and the poor results elevated it to one of the worst in LA's history, the 8th overall for Graeme is the all time fubar though .

 

[Buddy The Elf]

Yeah, I have to agree. Not that it matters but at least Fiala is still contributing to the team and has since he came to the Kings. The Kings essentially gave away two useful players (one with quite a bit of upside) for a 3rd liner making $8M a year.

 

[yankeeking]

I wouldn't think either axl or herby were born yet when that trade for Ron g went down

and the value might be close for the fiala trade and the PLD trades BUT THE LEVEL OF STUPIDITY of the PLD trade makes it one of the worst, everyone but Blake knew that one was historically bad especially losing Gabe V,

 

[BaileyFan]

Man how sad is it that there is a legitimate case to be made that gifting away one of the best young RHD in the game AND a 1st in exchange for a liability might actually not be the worst trade in a calendar year, let alone the last decade, for the somehow still currently gainfully employed GM of our hockey team?

 

[KopitarGOAT420]

IMO, Turcotte's performance on Saturday should grant him at least a 4-5 game extended look on the top line with Kopitar and Kempe.

Going to be very frustrated if Hiller throws Turcotte back on the 4th line and Moore right back up to the first line when Moore's back. Idc if it means Moore spends a couple games on the 4th line.

Turcotte has the speed, skill, and hockey IQ to keep up with 9 and 11. He brings a lot of energy to that line and was particularly great last game in transition - helping to push the pace up the ice when the Kings got possession.

It's also very low risk/high reward. If Turcotte can find a way to stick on that line, that would be absolutely massive for the Kings. It would also be massive for Turcotte - who would likely see a boost in offensive production due to the elevated minutes with highly skilled linemates. So far this year, Turcotte has helped improve every line he's been placed on - Let's see if he can have the same effect continually on our top line.

Turcotte could end up being a speedier, more skilled version of Iafallo with 11 and 9.

 

[Herby]

IMO, Turcotte's performance on Saturday should grant him at least a 4-5 game extended look on the top line with Kopitar and Kempe.

Going to be very frustrated if Hiller throws Turcotte back on the 4th line and Moore right back up to the first line when Moore's back. Idc if it means Moore spends a couple games on the 4th line.

Turcotte has the speed, skill, and hockey IQ to keep up with 9 and 11. He brings a lot of energy to that line and was particularly great last game in transition - helping to push the pace up the ice when the Kings got possession.

It's also very low risk/high reward. If Turcotte can find a way to stick on that line, that would be absolutely massive for the Kings. It would also be massive for Turcotte - who would likely see a boost in offensive production due to the elevated minutes with highly skilled linemates. So far this year, Turcotte has helped improve every line he's been placed on - Let's see if he can have the same effect continually on our top line.

Turcotte could end up being a speedier, more skilled version of Iafallo with 11 and 9.

He'd be a lot more useful in that role if Kopitar and Kempe were higher tier offensive players (that is not his fault obv), say if the Kings had the Avs roster, he'd be a nice badger type player to compliment the superstars. The problem is, Kopitar has slowed down the second half the last couple of years and then you suddenly have a limited offensive player in Turcotte on the 1st line in addition to that. The more offense that Moore (or potentially QB) provides does become a big difference to the overall success of line 1, also Moore can play a pretty similar energy game to Turcotte, not quite the motor and tenacity as Turcotte, but less a difference than the difference in offense.

With all that being said, I really think a goal-scoring wing upgrade for Kopi and Kempe is going to be addressed at the deadline if the Kings remain in this spot. I know many people aren't going to like that, especially since the return is probably going to involve the 2025 first, but you guys really think Blake with no cemented fututre with the team is going to keep a 1st round pick. Unless he is specifically restricted from trading it, how can they justify keeping it?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

He'd be a lot more useful in that role if Kopitar and Kempe were higher tier offensive players (that is not his fault obv), say if the Kings had the Avs roster, he'd be a nice badger type player to compliment the superstars. The problem is, Kopitar has slowed down the second half the last couple of years and then you suddenly have a limited offensive player in Turcotte on the 1st line in addition to that. The more offense that Moore (or potentially QB) provides does become a big difference to the overall success of line 1, also Moore can play a pretty similar energy game to Turcotte, not quite the motor and tenacity as Turcotte, but less a difference than the difference in offense.

With all that being said, I really think a goal-scoring wing upgrade for Kopi and Kempe is going to be addressed at the deadline if the Kings remain in this spot. I know many people aren't going to like that, especially since the return is probably going to involve the 2025 first, but you guys really think Blake with no cemented fututre with the team is going to keep a 1st round pick. Unless he is specifically restricted from trading it, how can they justify keeping it?

yeah at this point there would be no point in keeping it, he's all-in invested with little to no help on the way after trading away damn near everything worthwhile between ages 20-24. I've already accepted that we're not going to hve this year or next years' 1st/2nd round picks and though they'll be nice ELCs I could see Greentree and/or Ziemmer gone too (i know the org is high on them).

We are pot committed to 'window open' whether it is or not for the next few years before the next rebuild.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

He'd be a lot more useful in that role if Kopitar and Kempe were higher tier offensive players (that is not his fault obv), say if the Kings had the Avs roster, he'd be a nice badger type player to compliment the superstars. The problem is, Kopitar has slowed down the second half the last couple of years and then you suddenly have a limited offensive player in Turcotte on the 1st line in addition to that. The more offense that Moore (or potentially QB) provides does become a big difference to the overall success of line 1, also Moore can play a pretty similar energy game to Turcotte, not quite the motor and tenacity as Turcotte, but less a difference than the difference in offense.

With all that being said, I really think a goal-scoring wing upgrade for Kopi and Kempe is going to be addressed at the deadline if the Kings remain in this spot. I know many people aren't going to like that, especially since the return is probably going to involve the 2025 first, but you guys really think Blake with no cemented fututre with the team is going to keep a 1st round pick. Unless he is specifically restricted from trading it, how can they justify keeping it?

They can’t…the future is now.