Speculation: 2024-25 Roster thread

[Bergey37]

let me make sure I understand you correctly…

You find it odd that, 27-35 year old men, known as Veterans (every single veteran on our team besides Terry has made it to the conference championship / half of them the finals / and most have won) are performing better than 19-21 year old Rookies and Sophomores?


Yeah I’m gonna need the source on this, what’s its “recently” mean to you ?

I saw it on one of the threads here someone reposted a tweet (X?). It was within the last 2 weeks.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Zegras back

We’re about to go on a magical run that leads us to playoffs

 

[Firequacker]

Fair enough, I hadn't seen those comments to be honest. Still seems odds as the vets are the producing and the kids are struggling. To me that is another mark against Cronin.

It is a bit odd, but maybe it's just the benefit of experience? The straightforward answer would be that buying what Cronin is selling is bad for your play, but I don't think he'd have lasted so long at lower levels if it were that simple.

Could see a scenario where the vets hesitated initially but were eventually convinced to buy in, but in the meantime the kids got disillusioned by the lack of success (and/or other factors, who knows) and now they aren't convinced by the vets they all know were balking originally. Purely speculative though.

Yeah I’m gonna need the source on this, what’s its “recently” mean to you ?

I believe he and Terry also said something about it a couple months ago, but this was recent.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Disconnected is probably the best way to describe the Ducks just by watching them play. And maybe it’s a metaphor for what the room is like as well but there’s no question they are constantly out of sync on the ice.

If they looked out of sorts for small segments during games I’d say that’s on the players but the sheer amount of time they spend looking disjointed is why I think it’s on the coaching. It’s not just one game here and there or a few minutes here and there but literally all the time.

There’s no question certain players have been disappointing but you’ve got to at least give them a chance with a guy who understands offense and is willing to put a system in place that suits his players.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

It is a bit odd, but maybe it's just the benefit of experience? The straightforward answer would be that buying what Cronin is selling is bad for your play, but I don't think he'd have lasted so long at lower levels if it were that simple.

Could see a scenario where the vets hesitated initially but were eventually convinced to buy in, but in the meantime the kids got disillusioned by the lack of success (and/or other factors, who knows) and now they aren't convinced by the vets they all know were balking originally. Purely speculative though.



I believe he and Terry also said something about it a couple months ago, but this was recent.

Thank you very much !!! But if anybody is reading that the locker room isn’t connected because if this statement, they are simply imagining things that aren’t there. IMO.

He’s talking about on ice, which is what Terry and himself were talking about months ago at the beginning of the season.

Our 2 worst stretches of play this season, followed by some generic quote from players about synergy / connectedness / “not knowing where each other are on the ice”, which I’d argue was his way of say connectivity-ness, which he’s now been coached to use as his buzz word for poor play. But maybe that’s just me, if someone wants to believe Cronin lost the locker room because of the words from Killorn, go ahead and believe that. I just don’t see it.

 

[Firequacker]

Thank you very much !!! But if anybody is reading that the locker room isn’t connected because if this statement, they are simply imagining things that aren’t there. IMO.

He’s talking about on ice, which is what Terry and himself were talking about months ago at the beginning of the season.

Our 2 worst stretches of play this season, followed by some generic quote from players about synergy / connectedness / “not knowing where each other are on the ice”, which I’d argue was his way of say connectivity-ness, which he’s now been coached to use as his buzz word for poor play. But maybe that’s just me, if someone wants to believe Cronin lost the locker room because of the words from Killorn, go ahead and believe that. I just don’t see it.

To me the better evidence for Cronin having lost the locker room was how he called a timeout to lecture the team about having pride, and Fabbri skated away before he was even done yelling at them.
To be clear, I don't consider that strong evidence. From the outside there's no way to prove anything, it's all arguing over who's the best armchair sports psychologist and body language expert. You're doing it here, I'm doing it, we're all doing it because we don't have enough to go on otherwise.

However...
The most damning thing about Killorn's comments in full context is not what he actually said. It's that Cronin was then asked about them, and his immediate answer was "I didn't feel a sense of disconnectivity."

The question about connectedness is at about 1:20.
Killorn gets a lot of (rightful IMO) grief for his on-ice play, but he is one of the guys wearing an A. When he comes out and says yes, the team feels disconnected and it's something the guys in the room are trying to figure out, and then his coach says he didn't feel like they were disconnected, that does raise some fair questions about how connected the coach is with his players.

 

[DavidBL]

let me make sure I understand you correctly…

You find it odd that, 27-35 year old men, known as Veterans (every single veteran on our team besides Terry has made it to the conference championship / half of them the finals / and most have won) are performing better than 19-21 year old Rookies and Sophomores?


Yeah I’m gonna need the source on this, what’s its “recently” mean to you ?

Yes I find it odd that if the veterans, who by those comments reported, are the ones struggling with the buy in are the successful players and the kids who reportedly are buying in are struggling with their development. Thes aren't late first round picks, these are top of the draft picks and to a boy they are struggling. More so than guys in similar situations. For the vets you would typically expect that if what the team is doing isn't in line with what they're doing then it's a fair argument, imo, that you would see a reduction in their effectiveness which doesn't really seem to be the case based on their career numbers.