Speculation: 2024-25 Roster thread

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Because hanging out a large number of youth to continuously fail has never been a proven recipe for success, and can instead ruin them.

I have a hard time believing we’re going to ruin multiple young players if we trade Fowler before next summer. And I don’t say that as a shot at Fowler, I just think all successful players go through some adversity in their careers. Lots of ups and downs on the way. Many times people learn more from their failures than their successes.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I have a hard time believing we’re going to ruin multiple young players if we trade Fowler before next summer. And I don’t say that as a shot at Fowler, I just think all successful players go through some adversity in their careers. Lots of ups and downs on the way. Many times people learn more from their failures than their successes.

I didn’t say not to trade Fowler. I also didn’t say “will”. I said “can”, and that’s pretty well borne out by history.

The term “sophomore slump” exists for a reason, and they didn’t manage Leo’s minutes last year because first year players generally do great playing a full season. This aren’t controversial takes on my part. The more young players you have, the greater the chance it’s going to happen.

 

[Hey234]

The main problem isn't depth. The main problem is expectations. This is year 3 of the reset rebuild. It is a development season. This is year 2 of Minty in the NHL. This is also year 2 of Carlsson, LaCombe, Zell, and Dostal full time. This is Cutter's rookie season. This is Colangelo and Helleson's longer, extended look into the NHL still classified as rookies. Minty is learning how to play more defensively this year compared to last year as well as increased minutes in a top-pairing role. Year 3 for Minty is where I hope to expect he can carry his partner.

My original post doesn't necessarily disagree with what you are saying. There's no question that all the young players need more time to actualize. I too hope/expect Minty to takes another step and I think he's doing well overall considering the circumstances.

My overall take is that way he's been utilized and his current partner are affecting some of his success. Additionally, the Ducks need a long-term solution to play on right with him and I personally don't see any prospects becoming that within the next few years if ever. To me, that means they'll need to look somewhere else to aquire that. It doesn't have to be right now, but I would ideally like someone before next season starts.

 

[Ducks DVM]

My original post doesn't necessarily disagree with what you are saying. There's no question that all the young players need more time to actualize. I too hope/expect Minty to takes another step and I think he's doing well overall considering the circumstances.

My overall take is that way he's been utilized and his current partner are affecting some of his success. Additionally, the Ducks need a long-term solution to play on right with him and I personally don't see any prospects becoming that within the next few years if ever. To me, that means they'll need to look somewhere else to aquire that. It doesn't have to be right now, but I would ideally like someone before next season starts.

It’s right behind a 1C as the hardest unicorn to find though.

 

[JAHV]

If so, another reason Fowler should be traded. Ducks have been clearly better without him and scratching your best young D to bring him back isn’t what a rebuilding team should be doing.

I'm as big a Mintyukov supporter as there is, but no 20-year-old defenseman had his career ruined by sitting for a game or two. If it's a long-term thing, that's not great, but one or two games isn't the end of the world.

 

[Boo Boo]

I wonder who will have a better career zellweger or vatanen

Zellweger should surpass vatanen relatively easily unless he gets injured imo.

It’s too bad that vatanen was out of the league so early in part due to injury. I also just think that Zellweger projects as a higher calibre player in most aspects

 

[Deuce22]

I'm as big a Mintyukov supporter as there is, but no 20-year-old defenseman had his career ruined by sitting for a game or two. If it's a long-term thing, that's not great, but one or two games isn't the end of the world.

Don’t think that either. Just think the young guys need to be playing, unless injured. This is a development year.

 

[JAHV]

Don’t think that either. Just think the young guys need to be playing, unless injured. This is a development year.

For the most part, yes, but if a kid is struggling, it can be a good thing to let them watch a couple games and reset. It's got to be communicated well and temporary, but it's not the end of the world.

 

[MMC]

I’m going to say this through February-March unless we are the one team it never happens to, but 1st and 2nd year NHL players almost always have a significant falloff in play in the second half of the season. It happened to McTavish and Carlsson last year, zero reason to think all 4 youngsters are going to look this good at that time. There’s nothing left in San Diego to bring up if they do.

This isn't a good enough reason to keep Fowler for me. Guys on the waiver wire can serve as bodies for injuries or spotting young players who need to sit for a few games if we want to do load management

 

[MMC]