2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[ellja3]

Don't think that's illogical given the size of the contract, and Pettersson's history of erratic production.
If it was prime time Sidney, no brainer.

So, essentially, caution of current FO is put aside and trigger is pulled only if Crosby-like talent somehow becomes available. Gotcha.

 

[freakydallas13]

Here's what would worry me, Vancouver is neck to neck with Calgary for the last PO spot.
However, you'd have to be crazy to think they're getting past the first round.
So why would you be willing to trade Petersson?
Trading Miller makes more sense given his age and contract, he'll have real value for a SC contender.

The problem of course is that Vancouver is pretty much built to win the next few years:
Boeser (27), DeBrusk (28), Garland (28), Bleuger (30), Suter (28), Sherwood (29), Heinen (29), Hoglander (24), Karlsson (25)
Hughes (25), Hronek (27), Myers (34), Soucy (30), Forbort (32), Juulsen (27), Brannstrom (25)

Which means either blow it up or get NHL ready players back for Petersson/Miller.

By the time May rolls around, the Canucks will have 5 players 25 and under on their roster, and the Flyers will have 7.

Those 2 roster players are the difference between a team that is rebuilding and one that is built to win in the next few years?

 

[Appleyard]

Closer to a top 5 pick now than the playoffs.

Also... they are 6-3-1 in their last 10 and have basically made up zero ground on WC spot... as so many teams are several wins ahead and even if 2-3 falter another 2-3 just have to keep playing normally.

Flyers can go .650 (only 5 teams in league are at .650 or better) the whole way from here and will still likely miss.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I can't

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Closer to a top 5 pick now than the playoffs.

Also... they are 6-3-1 in their last 10 and have basically made up zero ground on WC spot... as so many teams are several wins ahead and even if 2-3 falter another 2-3 just have to keep playing normally.

Flyers can go .650 (only 5 teams in league are at .650 or better) the whole way from here and will still likely miss.

Interesting.

Alex how would you rate the Flyers culture per 60 and why hasn't that elevated them in the standings at all?

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Closer to a top 5 pick now than the playoffs.

Also... they are 6-3-1 in their last 10 and have basically made up zero ground on WC spot... as so many teams are several wins ahead and even if 2-3 falter another 2-3 just have to keep playing normally.

Flyers can go .650 (only 5 teams in league are at .650 or better) the whole way from here and will still likely miss.

It's pretty easy to slip to 27th place in the next week or two.

 

[deadhead]

Vancouver should be your nightmare.
They traded their future for medicrity, missed on their franchise goalie, and whiffed on too many top ten draft picks.

3 PO appearances in 11 years, but instead of a rebuilt team, you have one flirting with .550 (.500 in any other sport). They should squeeze into the POs this season, but they're not a good team.
2013: Horvat #9
2014: Virtanen #6
2015: Boeser #23
2016: Juolevi #5
2017: Pettersson #5
2018: Hughes #7
2019: Podkolzin #10
no 1st or 2nd in 2020, no 1st in 2021, no 2nd in 2022, 2023, no 1st, 2nd in 2024
Benning
6/22/19 Miller for 2019 3rd, 2020 1st
2/17/20 Toffoli for 2020 2nd
7/23/21 OEL, Garland for 2021 1st, 2022 2nd
10/10/21 Juulsen for Juolevi
Allvin
10/7/22 Stillman for 2024 2nd
1/30/23 2023 1st, Beauvillier, Raty for Horvat
3/1/23 Hronek & 4th for 2023 1st, 2nd
1/31/24 Lindholm for 2024 1st, Kuzmenko,
6/26/24 2027 4th for 2027 2nd, salary dump
7/1/23 Soucy (29) 3yr/$3.25M
6/27/24 Joshua (28) 4/$3.25M
6/27/24 Myers (34) 3/$3M
7/1/24 DeBrusk (28) 7/$5.5M
7/1/24 Heinen (29) 2/$2.25M

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Lol did he also block people from replying

Yeah he blocked me completely, I may have went a C-hair to far....I told him he's a complete idiot and an embarrassment to his family, that I'm sure his mother wishes she had farted him into the toilet, and that he needs to go back to cali

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Vancouver should be your nightmare.
They traded their future for medicrity, missed on their franchise goalie, and whiffed on too many top ten draft picks.

3 PO appearances in 11 years, but instead of a rebuilt team, you have one flirting with .550 (.500 in any other sport). They should squeeze into the POs this season, but they're not a good team.
2013: Horvat #9
2014: Virtanen #6
2015: Boeser #23
2016: Juolevi #5
2017: Pettersson #5
2018: Hughes #7
2019: Podkolzin #10
no 1st or 2nd in 2020, no 1st in 2021, no 2nd in 2022, 2023, no 1st, 2nd in 2024
Benning
6/22/19 Miller for 2019 3rd, 2020 1st
2/17/20 Toffoli for 2020 2nd
7/23/21 OEL, Garland for 2021 1st, 2022 2nd
10/10/21 Juulsen for Juolevi
Allvin
10/7/22 Stillman for 2024 2nd
1/30/23 2023 1st, Beauvillier, Raty for Horvat
3/1/23 Hronek & 4th for 2023 1st, 2nd
1/31/24 Lindholm for 2024 1st, Kuzmenko,
6/26/24 2027 4th for 2027 2nd, salary dump
7/1/23 Soucy (29) 3yr/$3.25M
6/27/24 Joshua (28) 4/$3.25M
6/27/24 Myers (34) 3/$3M
7/1/24 DeBrusk (28) 7/$5.5M
7/1/24 Heinen (29) 2/$2.25M

Very good point.

The Canucks hired Alain Vigneault, hired John Tortorella, promoted a former beloved player of their own who wore a letter as the head Hockey guy, overpaid for gigantic Defensemen, hired a different tough coach to fix the locker room, chose an NHL legacy GM because of familiarity, rebuilt around defense and culture, hit big on two draft picks, and then failed to capitalize because their processes were irrevocably broken.

I would lose a ton of interest if my team did all of that. What a nightmare indeed.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Vancouver has got Hughes, Petey, and Demko.

Even with the chance at losing Elias, or Demko not regaining superstar status - I’d take my gamble on believing in them over the Flyers.

We’ve got the treat of watching Matvei sludge through the Shawshank sewers dragging a bunch of vanilla scrubs. Woo

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Vancouver has got Hughes, Petey, and Demko.

Even with the chance at losing Elias, or Demko not regaining superstar status - I’d take my gamble on believing in them over the Flyers.

We’ve got the treat of watching Matvei sludge through the Shawshank sewers dragging a bunch of vanilla scrubs. Woo

For less than 10 mins a night lately as well lol

 

[dragonoffrost]

Very good point.

The Canucks hired Alain Vigneault, hired John Tortorella, promoted a former beloved player of their own who wore a letter as the head Hockey guy, overpaid for gigantic Defensemen, hired a different tough coach to fix the locker room, chose an NHL legacy GM because of familiarity, rebuilt around defense and culture, hit big on two draft picks, and then failed to capitalize because their processes were irrevocably broken.

I would lose a ton of interest if my team did all of that. What a nightmare indeed.

Wait What gif time?

 

[deadhead]

Very good point.

The Canucks hired Alain Vigneault, hired John Tortorella, promoted a former beloved player of their own who wore a letter as the head Hockey guy, overpaid for gigantic Defensemen, hired a different tough coach to fix the locker room, chose an NHL legacy GM because of familiarity, rebuilt around defense and culture, hit big on two draft picks, and then failed to capitalize because their processes were irrevocably broken.

I would lose a ton of interest if my team did all of that. What a nightmare indeed.

Torts was the right coach for the wrong team!

Strangely enough, two franchises brought him in to turn around veteran teams, but that's the worst situation for him, b/c he doesn't kowtow to veteran egos - much better on a young team that needs focus - Buffalo should have jumped all over him.

Though as Lavi is learning in NY, veteran teams that are set in their ways are a tough row to hoe, Gallant only lasted two years, and without a strong finish, Lavi will be history. Of course, Lavi only lasted 3 years with the Caps, and Cadberry has turned that team around (so far).

Berube's tenure in Toronto probably depends on playoff success this year, if they go deep, veterans will accept his tough love and focus on defense, if not, they'll probably tune him out next season.

It's much easier for a new HC to crack the whip on an underachieving team, though you need a GM who'll exile the malcontent ringleaders. Players get tired of losing, and will accept being pushed if they see results.

 

[BiggE]

Vancouver should be your nightmare.
They traded their future for medicrity, missed on their franchise goalie, and whiffed on too many top ten draft picks.

3 PO appearances in 11 years, but instead of a rebuilt team, you have one flirting with .550 (.500 in any other sport). They should squeeze into the POs this season, but they're not a good team.
2013: Horvat #9
2014: Virtanen #6
2015: Boeser #23
2016: Juolevi #5
2017: Pettersson #5
2018: Hughes #7
2019: Podkolzin #10
no 1st or 2nd in 2020, no 1st in 2021, no 2nd in 2022, 2023, no 1st, 2nd in 2024
Benning
6/22/19 Miller for 2019 3rd, 2020 1st
2/17/20 Toffoli for 2020 2nd
7/23/21 OEL, Garland for 2021 1st, 2022 2nd
10/10/21 Juulsen for Juolevi
Allvin
10/7/22 Stillman for 2024 2nd
1/30/23 2023 1st, Beauvillier, Raty for Horvat
3/1/23 Hronek & 4th for 2023 1st, 2nd
1/31/24 Lindholm for 2024 1st, Kuzmenko,
6/26/24 2027 4th for 2027 2nd, salary dump
7/1/23 Soucy (29) 3yr/$3.25M
6/27/24 Joshua (28) 4/$3.25M
6/27/24 Myers (34) 3/$3M
7/1/24 DeBrusk (28) 7/$5.5M
7/1/24 Heinen (29) 2/$2.25M

My nightmare is being forced to fully read through the above.

 

[renberg]

I will say it again.
Imagine the stupidest thing that the organization could do….now prepare for it to be worse.

Here it comes-Tortorella extended as HC and assistant GM.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'm just glad we'll know what direction they're going to take in a few months because Tortorella has said he'll never coach on the last year of a contract again.

What they do there is an inflection point on this whole thing.

 

[ponder719]

I will say it again.
Imagine the stupidest thing that the organization could do….now prepare for it to be worse.

I will grant that they won't do the stupidest thing they could do, which is fold the franchise. Even this gaggle of idiots is not so dumb that they'd turn off the money spout entirely.

That said, I put very little else past them.

 

[deadhead]

So, essentially, caution of current FO is put aside and trigger is pulled only if Crosby-like talent somehow becomes available. Gotcha.

You're taking on a 8yr/$11.6M contract with a NTC.
And you're giving up substantial assets.
You'd better be totally sure about the player in that case.

It's the difference between Sidney and say Tavares, Sidney is the heart and soul of the Pens, adding Tavares really didn't make a huge impact in Toronto. It's not that Tavares didn't produce, he just didn't move the needle very far.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

My nightmare is being forced to fully read through the above.

igor silent is ur friend..

just sayin

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Kurz is a piece of shit. That much has been established. But is he a connected piece of shit? I don’t think he’s senselessly throwing out the garbage he is. He is definitely getting fed this. This is how the organization thinks.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

You're taking on a 8yr/$11.6M contract with a NTC.
And you're giving up substantial assets.
You'd better be totally sure about the player in that case.

1. I think you are 100% correct that they believe you have to be sure.
2. You can never be sure.
3. They will never understand this is evidence of the larger problem.

If you don't think he's a good enough player for the contract, at least there can be a solid underpinning process even if I disagree with the conclusion. I would understand having a shred of hope. Every word out of their mouth tells me the arrogance is still ingrained. I'm not even sure if firing every single person in the front office will fix it at this point. That shit is in the walls.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Kurz is a piece of shit. That much has been established. But is he a connected piece of shit? I don’t think he’s senselessly throwing out the garbage he is. He is definitely getting fed this. This is how the organization thinks.

I believe he got his start in the business working in the Flyers PR Department. So yeah.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I believe he got his start in the business working in the Flyers PR Department. So yeah.

oldboisclub4life Yo!!!!

 

[Beef Invictus]

Vancouver should be your nightmare.
They traded their future for medicrity, missed on their franchise goalie, and whiffed on too many top ten draft picks.

3 PO appearances in 11 years, but instead of a rebuilt team, you have one flirting with .550 (.500 in any other sport). They should squeeze into the POs this season, but they're not a good team.
2013: Horvat #9
2014: Virtanen #6
2015: Boeser #23
2016: Juolevi #5
2017: Pettersson #5
2018: Hughes #7
2019: Podkolzin #10
no 1st or 2nd in 2020, no 1st in 2021, no 2nd in 2022, 2023, no 1st, 2nd in 2024
Benning
6/22/19 Miller for 2019 3rd, 2020 1st
2/17/20 Toffoli for 2020 2nd
7/23/21 OEL, Garland for 2021 1st, 2022 2nd
10/10/21 Juulsen for Juolevi
Allvin
10/7/22 Stillman for 2024 2nd
1/30/23 2023 1st, Beauvillier, Raty for Horvat
3/1/23 Hronek & 4th for 2023 1st, 2nd
1/31/24 Lindholm for 2024 1st, Kuzmenko,
6/26/24 2027 4th for 2027 2nd, salary dump
7/1/23 Soucy (29) 3yr/$3.25M
6/27/24 Joshua (28) 4/$3.25M
6/27/24 Myers (34) 3/$3M
7/1/24 DeBrusk (28) 7/$5.5M
7/1/24 Heinen (29) 2/$2.25M

So they're the Flyers. Youre right, being the Flyers is nightmarish.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts was the right coach for the wrong team!

Strangely enough, two franchises brought him in to turn around veteran teams, but that's the worst situation for him, b/c he doesn't kowtow to veteran egos - much better on a young team that needs focus - Buffalo should have jumped all over him.

Though as Lavi is learning in NY, veteran teams that are set in their ways are a tough row to hoe, Gallant only lasted two years, and without a strong finish, Lavi will be history. Of course, Lavi only lasted 3 years with the Caps, and Cadberry has turned that team around (so far).

Berube's tenure in Toronto probably depends on playoff success this year, if they go deep, veterans will accept his tough love and focus on defense, if not, they'll probably tune him out next season.

It's much easier for a new HC to crack the whip on an underachieving team, though you need a GM who'll exile the malcontent ringleaders. Players get tired of losing, and will accept being pushed if they see results.

No, the problem is that he sucks.