2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[Curufinwe]

Ironic that some people still blame a draft choice in 2017 for the Flyers being bad in 2025 on a night when they play the Blue Jackets

 

[Beef Invictus]

STG is a team mouthpiece, used by the team to slander and trash all players and former figures in order to save the team face. It's propaganda.

 

[DancingPanther]

I get that this is a whole thing now, but at some point it should be a sign who is defending the Flyers on this one. It's a pretty critical crowd.

"a whole thing" is a weird way to describe "disingenuous just to get a rise out of people"

Please don't feed the animals, people

 

[deadhead]

So you think McCagg fabricated quotes from fake hockey sources citing whispers about Patrick's character?

Well, I guess if there were anyone who would know about fabricating quotes....

Drop it already. This is getting ridiculous. Who cares. Hextall is fired from Philly and Pittsburgh, Patrick is retired.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So you think McCagg fabricated quotes from fake hockey sources citing whispers about Patrick's character?

Well, I guess if there were anyone who would know about fabricating quotes....

I think someone as poor at his job as him probably has very shitty sources.

Why do you ignore that there are far more articles by far more reliable writers with far more reliable sources contradicting you? Why do you select the unreliable outlier, except that he happened to say what you're eager to hear?

Do you think only accepting what you want to hear and ignoring the rest of the body of evidence is a good reasoning process?

 

[MJL66]

1. You said there were no whispers in the hockey community about Patrick's character. According to multiple sources in the McCagg article, there were. You just don't want to believe those sources are accurate. Fine, but that doesn't mean there weren't whispers.

2. Again, Russ and Anthony on Snow the Goalie also reported on character questions pertaining to Patrick when he was on the Flyers, which lends credence to the whispers reported by sources in McCagg's article.

3. Please, quote where I ever said that Nolan Patrick was not a consensus #2 pick. My point was always that Patrick being a consensus #2 pick doesn't mean it was the right pick. Especially when your team's scouts rightfully recommend the non-consensus Makar and Heiskanen over him.

4. I posted multiple articles indicating that Patrick had migraine issues dating back to his youth, including in junior hockey. Why do you keep saying I'm wrong, when you're the one who swore he had no migraine issues until he was in the NHL?

And you call me the stubborn one? You've put every kind of blinder on, cited every kind of excuse you can, to defend Nolan Patrick and the Patrick pick. To the point of convincing yourself that any kind of reporting that doesn't support the Patrick pick cannot be true.

Please link to a legitimate source or article that was written or posted PRE DRAFT that said that Patrick had a migraine disorder. We'll start there from the beginning.

This is obviously untrue, and it's also on the Flyers to check the medical situation out before signing off on the trade. Once it's done it's done. Remember when we tried to send Betts to Montreal? We didn't have to tell them how bad he actually was physically. It was incumbent on them to figure it out and the trade was nixed after they inspected him.

My opinion and this is speculation. The Flyers knew Ellis had a medical issue but they believed he could work through them and get healthier. That's how desperate they were and how flawed their way of thinking is.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Drop it already. This is getting ridiculous. Who cares. Hextall is fired from Philly and Pittsburgh, Patrick is retired.

LOL. This is indeed getting more than tiresome and repetitive.

 

[MJL66]

I think someone as poor at his job as him probably has very shitty sources.

Why do you ignore that there are far more articles by far more reliable writers with far more reliable sources contradicting you? Why do you select the unreliable outlier, except that he happened to say what you're eager to hear?

Do you think only accepting what you want to hear and ignoring the rest of the body of evidence is a good reasoning process?

Do you mean the consensus is against him? LOL

 

[Magua]

Please link to a legitimate source or article that was written or posted PRE DRAFT that said that Patrick had a migraine disorder. We'll start there.

Listen, I know you’re not one to back down, but we have done this for 1000 pages over the years. That’s experience talking. You will never get what you want out of this conversation from him because it’s in bad faith. There’s a lot of people with whom you can get worthwhile debate. I mean that as a gesture of goodwill.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Listen, I know you’re not one to back down, but we have done this for 1000 pages over the years. You will never get what you want out of this conversation from him because it’s in bad faith. There’s a lot of people with whom you can get worthwhile debate.

I am glad you are dressed appropriately now

 

[MJL66]

Listen, I know you’re not one to back down, but we have done this for 1000 pages over the years. You will never get what you want out of this conversation from him because it’s in bad faith. There’s a lot of people with whom you can get worthwhile debate.

Of course you're correct but it's so dam entertaining. What is the consensus. Do they want it dropped?

 

[Cody Webster]

I have no idea really what’s being said. I just see Grant McCagg referenced every so often & get a chuckle.

Seems like some people are trying to pass that back off as credible. Seeing the people that are using him as a source, I'm not surprised

 

[DancingPanther]

Look, i'm just trying to get this thread on track.

I've withheld actual, professional opinions from a doctor on this migraine issue for 3 days. You should be proud of me

The hilarious thing is even if I chimed in, I wouldn't be able to see the disingenuous response lol

 

[Cody Webster]

LOL. This is indeed getting more than tiresome and repetitive.

The last 47 pages didn't give it away?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I've withheld actual, professional opinions from a doctor on this migraine issue for 3 days. You should be proud of me

You may be the only one I’m proud of in this whole traffic driving scenario.

 

[Curufinwe]

I have no idea really what’s being said. I just see Grant McCagg referenced every so often & get a chuckle.

I love the McCagg classics, but I did a quick search for him and for the first time found an A+ report card he gave the Canadien‘s 2018 draft, and none of the players are with Montreal anymore.

 

[Magua]

Of course you're correct but it's so dam entertaining. What is the consensus. Do they want it dropped?

942/959 posters and 8/10 of Bob McKenzie’s scouts want it dropped.

We have all been outrage entertained with it at some point years ago. But we’ve just seen this rerun so many times we shut the television off.

 

[DancingPanther]

Let's argue about dark mode. Though there's not much argument to be had there.

My eyes have been recently reshaped by a laser and I have to stare directly into a gamma ray burst? Please. Mercy

 

[Beef Invictus]

LOL. This is indeed getting more than tiresome and repetitive.

New subject! Shayne Gostisbehere and the severe error of Fletcher.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Let’s rehash all time HFFlyers shitshows.

What’s everyone’s opinion on country music?

Now someone else go.

Stroll down memory lane.

 

[Magua]

I love the McCagg classics, but I did a quick search for him and for the first time found an A+ report card he gave the Canadien‘s 2018 draft, and none of the players are with Montreal anymore.

The guy who is laughably wrong 99% of the time obsessively citing the scout who is laughably wrong 99% of the time does have a certain humor to it. I always wondered who even subscribed to McCagg’s Recrutes scam. Now I know.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Let’s rehash all time HFFlyers shitshows.

What’s everyone’s opinion on country music?

Now someone else to.

Stroll down memory lane.

I think I have some ideas for a Jeff Carter proposal involving Bozak and Bad-Decent Prospect

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Please link to a legitimate source or article that was written or posted PRE DRAFT that said that Patrick had a migraine disorder. We'll start there from the beginning.


My opinion and this is speculation. The Flyers knew Ellis had a medical issue but they believed he could work through them and get healthier. That's how desperate they were and how flawed their way of thinking is.

Congrats. We have now circled back to why I brought up Patrick's migraine issue in the first place:

As an example of how there are a lot of things about prospects that the public is unaware of, but that organizations have access to and inside information about -- such as medical records; interviews with former coaches, management, and teammates; interviews with rival coaches and management; interviews with family and friends; widespread scouting reports, etc.

Let me guess, you want to argue that because there weren't any public articles pre-draft about Patrick's migraine history since youth, it didn't exist? You've already told me his migraine issues didn't exist pre-draft, even though I cited two articles showing they did.

Or are you now willing to admit the obvious, that Patrick did have migraine issues dating back to his youth?

In that case, is your argument because it wasn't reported publicly pre-draft, that teams weren't aware of it, despite the fact that they would have reviewed his medical records and history, and would have interviewed a plethora of former coaches and management and family as part of their due diligence?

Well, whatever. I keep repeating my positions. Everyone with reading comprehension should more than know where I stand. I'll agree with deadhead to end my part in this circular debate for the sake of the thread and the board. 3 days is enough.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Let’s rehash all time HFFlyers shitshows.

Don’t tell me what to do, Captain Tiger Pants.