2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[Cody Webster]

Umm…

Guy has Seeler and Risto on his list

 

[Magua]

You know your argument reeks about “developing” when you cite a 31 year old 3rd pair journeyman, who is already regressing starting a 4 year contract. And a 30 year old you turned from an overplayed 1st pair guy to a serviceable low event 4/5 defender for a massive price.

York is such a cop out too, because he’s exactly the high floor player he was drafted to be. He’s probably underperformed offensively, if anything. Sanheim has been a 1st pair caliber player for years prior, while the team toyed around with him and tried to trade him for Krug after Shaw had his hands on him for a year.

It’s not magic; it’s arrogance.

 

[freakydallas13]

You know your argument reeks about “developing” when you cite a 31 year old 3rd pair journeyman, who is already regressing starting a 4 year contract. And a 30 year old you turned from an overplayed 1st pair guy to a serviceable low event 4/5 defender for a massive price.

York is such a cop out too, because he’s exactly the high floor player he was drafted to be. He’s probably underperformed offensively, if anything. Sanheim has been a 1st pair caliber player for years prior, while the team toyed around with him and tried to trade him for Krug after Shaw had his hands on him for a year.

It’s not magic; it’s arrogance.

It's magically arrogant.

 

[ValeriKamensky]

Bonk is a 2nd pairing 20-25 points D at best; Luchanko is a bottom C.
Zavragin was out of the team for month because Rotenberg.
Flyers is hard battling for another 13th pick.

The rebuild is going according to plan

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Bonk is a 2nd pairing 20-25 points D at best; Luchanko is a bottom C.
Zavragin was out of the team for month because Rotenberg.
Flyers is hard battling for another 13th pick.

The rebuild is going according to plan

Only option is finding another team but since that’s impossible, I’m here for the #culture and whatever comes from that

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Shaw must have stopped coaching him

Oh no. Are we in the “ignore and confuse” stage of development for him?

 

[BernieParent]

Umm…

The notion of the Flyers developing Bonk ignores their love of drafting players from London because of the development Knights' players receive in their program.

 

[renberg]

The notion of the Flyers developing Bonk ignores their love of drafting players from London because of the development Knights' players receive in their program.

The only thing that the Knights have that I would want right now is Dale Hunter. Put him behind the bench to help straighten out the mess that Tortorella has created.

 

[deadhead]

The rebuild is going fine, they're 2nd in xGF, 2nd in HDCF since the Brink line was put together.
The STs suck right now, but Drysdale is starting to look like a PP QB and they've played so well most of the last two years on the PK that I expect Shaw to fix it.

However, the goalies, the goalies. Goalies the past two decades of futility:
(GA - xGA)/60:

2024-25: Kolosov 15g +1.66, Fedotov 10g +0.57, Ersson 19g +0.54
2023-24: Ersson 51g +0.15, Hart 26g +0.04
2022-23: Hart 55g -0.09, Sandstrom 20g +0.76, Ersson 12g -0.15
2021-22: Hart 45g +0.26, Jones 35g +0.42
2020-21: Elliott 30g +0.86, Hart 27g +1.17
2019-20: Hart 43g -0.04, Elliott 31g +0.36
2018-19: Hart 31g +0.18, Elliott 26g +0.14, Stolarz 12g +0.56, Pickard 11g +1.57
2017-18: Elliott 43g +0.10, Neuvirth 22g +0.08, Mrazek 17g +0.73, Lyon 11g +0.06
2016-17: Mason 58g +0.24, Neuvirth 28g +0.61
2015-16: Mason 54g -0.09, Neuvirth 32g -0.34
2014-15: Mason 51g -0.41, Emery 31g +0.52
2013-14: Mason 61g +0.09, Emergy 28g +0.24
2012-13: Bryzgalov 40g +0.28
2011-12: Bryzgalov 59g +0.00, Bobrovsky 29g +0.09
2010-11: Bryzgalov 54g -0.19, Boucher 34g -0.10
2009-10: Boucher 33g +0.25, Emery 29g +0.08, Leighton 27g -0.19
2008-09: Biron 55g -0.03, Niittymaki 32g -0.03
2007-08: Brion 62g +0.08, Niittymaki 28g +0.40

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The one thing the Flyers do well is develop goalies and they probably want to be hands on with all their young goalies.

9/17/24

 

[Audible Velvet]

No one is allowed to use Travis Sanheim as an example of good flyers development.

 

[BernieParent]

The only thing that the Knights have that I would want right now is Dale Hunter. Put him behind the bench to help straighten out the mess that Tortorella has created.

Thanks, renberg. While I can't disagree that Hunter would be an upgrade from Tortorella, he is my most despised NHL player and I would suffer a gag reflex every time the camera showed him behind the Flyers bench.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Thanks, renberg. While I can't disagree that Hunter would be an upgrade from Tortorella, he is my most despised NHL player and I would suffer a gag reflex every time the camera showed him behind the Flyers bench.

I second this sentiment

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The rebuild is fine because of a 20 game sample. When you add that Brink line to Must Play Sniper Carson Twarynski and the amazing Hagg-Braun pair now that the vet figured it out, I for one feel great about everything and have never learned a lesson or told a joke.

I like all 3 players on that Brink line and I still know this is…sorry, I traded the rest of this post for half of one of @Striiker ’s next year. I know he’s got a banger coming on June 26th, so I bought low. I’m a genius.

 

[deadhead]

Stolarz was a knee injury from being their backup.
Bob did fine, Holmgren panicked and gave Bryz that huge contract.
Mason, after a fine rookie season, regressed for 3 seasons in Columbus before being revived in Philly.

2000: Chekmanek #171
2001: Bruckler #150, Malek #158
2002: Grumet-Morris #161
2003: Trembley #140, Beauchemin #191, Hostikka #193
2004: Houle #232
2005: Duchesne #119
2006: Kovar #109, Dupont #175
2007: Phillips #182
2008: DeSerres #84, Eriksson #196
2009: Morrison #81, Riopel #142
2012: Stolarz #45
2013: Madsen #162
2015: Sandstrom #70, Malek #90, Fedotov #188
2016: Hart #48,
2017: Ustimenko #80
2018: Ersson #143
2019: Ross #169
2021: Kolosov #78
2023: Bjarnason #51, Zavragin #78

The rebuild is fine because of a 20 game sample. When you add that Brink line to Must Play Sniper Carson Twarynski and the amazing Hagg-Braun pair now that the vet figured it out, I for one feel great about everything and have never learned a lesson or told a joke.

I like all 3 players on that Brink line and I still know this is…sorry, I traded the rest of this post for half of one of @Striiker ’s next year. I know he’s got a banger coming on June 26th, so I bought low. I’m a genius.

The rebuild is fine b/c they're not panicking and doing a "Holmgren."

I worry more about "cycling" than anything else, worrying about losing, trading for veterans, winning for a year or two, regress, start rebuilding, worry about losing, trading for veterans, rinse and repeat.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Stolarz was a knee injury from being their backup.
Bob did fine, Holmgren panicked and gave Bryz that huge contract.
Mason, after a fine rookie season, regressed for 3 seasons in Columbus before being revived in Philly.

2000: Chekmanek #171
2001: Bruckler #150, Malek #158
2002: Grumet-Morris #161
2003: Trembley #140, Beauchemin #191, Hostikka #193
2004: Houle #232
2005: Duchesne #119
2006: Kovar #109, Dupont #175
2007: Phillips #182
2008: DeSerres #84, Eriksson #196
2009: Morrison #81, Riopel #142
2012: Stolarz #45
2013: Madsen #162
2015: Sandstrom #70, Malek #90, Fedotov #188
2016: Hart #48,
2017: Ustimenko #80
2018: Ersson #143
2019: Ross #169
2021: Kolosov #78
2023: Bjarnason #51, Zavragin #78


The rebuild is fine b/c they're not panicking and doing a "Holmgren."

I worry more about "cycling" than anything else, worrying about losing, trading for veterans, winning for a year or two, regress, start rebuilding, worry about losing, trading for veterans, rinse and repeat.

Hextall didn’t panic and yet you insist he did. It even got him fired. I don’t think you judge this well.

 

[Cody Webster]

9/17/24

Hard to be wrong when you're on both sides

 

[deadhead]

Hextall didn’t panic and yet you insist he did. It even got him fired. I don’t think you judge this well.

You should know better, Holmgren panicked, fired Hextall and hired Fletcher to restart the cycle.

Hextall's issue was not going all the way in 2014, made the easy move, trading Coburn and Kimmo at the TDL, but then refused to follow up and complete the rebuilding process - instead waited two years to trade Schenn and watch assets like Simmonds and Read lose value.

Same way Holmgren blew the opportunitity to take a step back after the Carter/Richards trades.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What on god’s green earth did Holmgren panic with regards to Hextall besides the cronies getting blocked out?

Smells like gas in here.

Also, waited to trade players until they lost value? Sounds familiar.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

You should know better, Holmgren panicked, fired Hextall and hired Fletcher to restart the cycle.

Hextall's issue was not going all the way in 2014, made the easy move, trading Coburn and Kimmo at the TDL, but then refused to follow up and complete the rebuilding process - instead waited two years to trade Schenn and watch assets like Simmonds and Read lose value.

Same way Holmgren blew the opportunitity to take a step back after the Carter/Richards trades.

This is exactly what I mean.

Brayden Schenn was going into his Age 26 season when he was traded. Your criticism of the one Flyers trade of the last decade that took actual balls is that they missed their timing window by 2 years. Now compare that to what you think about the 8 year Tippett contract that started in his Age 26 season.

This process sucks too. It’s like you learned it from them. You know I agree about Simmonds, so it’s not like there’s no common ground to be had. But I don’t think you apply the same standards to whoever is in the current regime in real time.

 

[deadhead]

This is exactly what I mean.

Brayden Schenn was going into his Age 26 season when he was traded. Your criticism of the one Flyers trade of the last decade that took actual balls is that they missed their timing window by 2 years. Now compare that to what you think about the 8 year Tippett contract that started in his Age 26 season.

This process sucks too. It’s like you learned it from them.

The process is fine as long as they focus on adding assets and not wasting assets on veterans.

I'd rather lock in players from 26-32 then spend money on FAs for whom I have less information.
If you're building for the long-run, you lock in your first wave, then as younger players push them for PT, trade them for prospects and draft picks (or to address holes).

Look at FLA
Barkov 8x10M at 27
Tkachuk 8x9.5M at 25
Reinhart 8x8.625 at 29
Verhaeghe 8x7M at 29
Lundell 6x5M at 23
Rodriguez 4x3M at 30
Forsling 8x5.75M at 28
The two pending FAs, Exblad and Bennett will both be 29 going into their UFA season.
Now I'd be nervous about the Reinhart, Verhaeghe and Forsling deals due to age in the out years.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

If the goalie trend continues, they will have the worst team SV% since at least 2008-09. Yet apparently it's hunky dory with Torts, Briere and co...

 

[FLYguy3911]

Thanks, renberg. While I can't disagree that Hunter would be an upgrade from Tortorella, he is my most despised NHL player and I would suffer a gag reflex every time the camera showed him behind the Flyers bench.

Keith Jones’ best friend I should note.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Typical Flyers Fan mentaility....

When all goes to shit blame the goalies.

Shaking my damn head.

 

[freakydallas13]

The rebuild is fine because of a ~20 game sample size, lmao.

Was the rebuild not fine back in October?

Also, who cares if Drysdale is developing into a PP quarterback (he's not), because PP points don't matter.