2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[Beef Invictus]

It's early December, what's the rush?

Patience is a virtue, b/c if you're not getting offers that make it worthwhile to move someone, why rush into a deal?

If you're only being offered the same deal you can get in 3 or 6 months, why not wait?
If you wait, someone on a PO team might get injured or a GM fall in love.

Most hockey trades take place the week before the TDL or the weeks before the draft.
That's when you'll have the most buyers. So unless someone makes "an offer you can't refuse," feel free to refuse offers.

Grans going down suggests they expect Drysdale back by Thursday.

"What's the rush" has been the refrain as numerous TDLs and offseasons gave come and gone with no steps forward taken

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm looking at that Zamula info and suddenly remembering that they heavily goaded him into packing on shitloads of muscle for the sake of having size.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Blocked by whom? Laughton?
Laughton has trade value, Richard doesn't.
Laughton also does more, top PK guy, can fill in at center if needed.
You're not sitting Farabee (24), Tippett (25), Foerster (23) for Richard.
Or TK, Michkov or Brink.
Hathaway is also a top PK guy and the best forechecker on the team.

You do know that teams play 4 lines.... hence why it's silly this team in a rebuild is still stuck with the "ROLES" mindset.

I'm looking at that Zamula info and suddenly remembering that they heavily goaded him into packing on shitloads of muscle for the sake of having size.

Development!

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

There’s sure been a rush to move out the players that Tortorella didn’t want and yet we hear for now the last two years that the organization doesn’t want to mess up the locker room.

The second that the players went to management last year to keep Laughton around to give them a run and they didn’t produce results should have led to them jettisoning Laughton (and others) to the moon.

That’s overlooking the fact that they should have just traded him despite the players request but we don’t need to get into that.

 

[ybnvs]

You're not sitting Farabee (24), Tippett (25), Foerster (23) for Richard.
Or TK, Michkov or Brink.

Interesting...

You're right. You listed wingers Richard is worse than. No person on planet Earth with two functioning braincells would think it's wise to play Richard over any of those other players.

Frost though? Now you're onto something! I think it's perfectly reasonable to scratch a center like Frost to insert into the lineup an extra random-ass AHL journeyman winger who happened to go on a little heater with the club (good for him though!).

 

[BiggE]

There’s sure been a rush to move out the players that Tortorella didn’t want and yet we hear for now the last two years that the organization doesn’t want to mess up the locker room.

The second that the players went to management last year to keep Laughton around to give them a run and they didn’t produce results should have led to them jettisoning Laughton (and others) to the moon.

That’s overlooking the fact that they should have just traded him despite the players request but we don’t need to get into that.

The fact that the organization values so highly what the players on a team that has missed the playoffs 4 years running think tells me all I need to know.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Interesting...

You're right. You listed wingers Richard is worse than. No person on planet Earth with two functioning braincells would think it's wise to play Richard over any of those other players.

Frost though? Now you're onto something! I think it's perfectly reasonable to scratch a center like Frost to insert into the lineup an extra random-ass AHL journeyman winger who happened to go on a little heater with the club (good for him though!).

I love that Richard can't play on the 4th line because Hathaway is a PK player... Looks at Richard in the AHL and sees 12 SHG over 8 AHL seasons. Seems he can PK a little. And as I have said many a time you can use the others on the PK and give the ES time to the 4th line if the fourth line can do something other than skate around and kill the clock.

 

[deadhead]

Richard is 28, he's an AHL journeyman as ybnvs points out.
Did he flash some offensive talent? Yes. Did he show some defensive deficiencies? Yes.
If they trade Laughton, I'd like to see Lycksell get a shot at winning a job.

The guy they'll make room for is Tuomaala, but there's no rush with him.
He turns 22 in January and needs to work on his game, has to do more than skate and shoot in a bottom six role (isn't going to beat out Michkov and TK anytime soon!).

 

[dragonoffrost]

Richard is 28, he's an AHL journeyman as ybnvs points out.
Did he flash some offensive talent? Yes. Did he show some defensive deficiencies? Yes.
If they trade Laughton, I'd like to see Lycksell get a shot at winning a job.

The guy they'll make room for is Tuomaala, but there's no rush with him.
He turns 22 in January and needs to work on his game, has to do more than skate and shoot in a bottom six role (isn't going to beat out Michkov and TK anytime soon!).

There's that word again... role....

You don't force pegs into holes if you don't shrink the holes to a size that requires a exact fit.

This is what most here want. Flexibility of the roster not 3rd liner needs to do these set jobs and 4th liner needs to do these jobs.

And just because someone is 28 doesn't mean you can't use him to bridge while others come along if he is better than a member of the current roster

 

[BillDineen]

Torts said in the after practice that there are no free agents coming this summer. There plan has been to wait until the dead cap space is gone and sign a big name UFA. Only realistic target they would have is Kaprizov imo. Seems dubious at best

 

[deadhead]

There's that word again... role....

You don't force pegs into holes if you don't shrink the holes to a size that requires a exact fit.

This is what most here want. Flexibility of the roster not 3rd liner needs to do these set jobs and 4th liner needs to do these jobs.

And just because someone is 28 doesn't mean you can't use him to bridge while others come along if he is better than a member of the current roster

Or you could stick with Hathaway, who's a proven NHL player who is fast (top 3rd), physical, and a top forechecker. Only problem is he can't finish to save his life (or he'd be a top 6 PF).

Tuomaala is a scorer, they're not going to tell him to stop scoring, they just want to polish his game.

 

[deadhead]

Torts said in the after practice that there are no free agents coming this summer. There plan has been to wait until the dead cap space is gone and sign a big name UFA. Only realistic target they would have is Kaprizov imo. Seems dubious at best

They haven't said it, but I think TK was their "big FA signing." His contract starts about the same time they would have signed a FA.
Now if a top 6 center at the right age springs loose . . . but the odds of that are slim and none.

What is more likely is signing an over 30 center to a 3 year deal to buy time for young centers they draft this summer to develop and to provide a playmaker for their young wings. Probably depends on how Frost plays the rest of this season. If Frost can't produce with Tippett and Michkov he's a lost cause.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Or you could stick with Hathaway, who's a proven NHL player who is fast (top 3rd), physical, and a top forechecker. Only problem is he can't finish to save his life (or he'd be a top 6 PF).

Tuomaala is a scorer, they're not going to tell him to stop scoring, they just want to polish his game.

Agree to disagree is where we are... there's plenty of dead weight on the bottom 6 that can use an injection of talent is the statement we are making and the fact that during a rebuild they are afraid to roll with someone who could be an upgrade (an upgrade from Torts mouth) because the front office has people here who could easily be waived and sent to LHV if they pass through.

 

[freakydallas13]

Or you could stick with Hathaway, who's a proven NHL player who is fast (top 3rd), physical, and a top forechecker. Only problem is he can't finish to save his life (or he'd be a top 6 PF).

Rebuilding teams don't have to stick with "proven" vets. In fact, they usually do the opposite.

They haven't said it, but I think TK was their "big FA signing." His contract starts about the same time they would have signed a FA.
Now if a top 6 center at the right age springs loose . . . but the odds of that are slim and none.

Rebuilding teams don't make "big FA" signings 1 year into their rebuilds.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Blocked by whom? Laughton?
Laughton has trade value, Richard doesn't.
Laughton also does more, top PK guy, can fill in at center if needed.
You're not sitting Farabee (24), Tippett (25), Foerster (23) for Richard.
Or TK, Michkov or Brink.
Hathaway is also a top PK guy and the best forechecker on the team.

They've already sat brink for Richard, amongst others

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Torts said in the after practice that there are no free agents coming this summer. There plan has been to wait until the dead cap space is gone and sign a big name UFA. Only realistic target they would have is Kaprizov imo. Seems dubious at best

but i was told Torts isnt involved in roster construction..

hmmm he seems pretty involved..

just sayin..

#dumpsterfire Org.

 

[dragonoffrost]

but i was told Torts isnt involved in roster construction..

hmmm he seems pretty involved..

just sayin..

#dumpsterfire Org.

Yet he also didn't get to keep Richard who he seemed to admit he would like to have seen a longer look at.

Total Dumpster fire

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts said in the after practice that there are no free agents coming this summer. There plan has been to wait until the dead cap space is gone and sign a big name UFA. Only realistic target they would have is Kaprizov imo. Seems dubious at best

The problem being that players aren't lining up to come here.

 

[Curufinwe]

Torts said in the after practice that there are no free agents coming this summer.

Things no NHL coach should be giving their opinion on publicly.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Things no NHL coach should be giving their opinion on publicly.

the best part is ill bet the farm they sign some old washed up dog..

DB said last year no more aging vets.. then went out n got one

so yah...

 

[ponder719]

I'm looking at that Zamula info and suddenly remembering that they heavily goaded him into packing on shitloads of muscle for the sake of having size.

I need someone to explain to me how slow those men are that Sean Couturier doesn't appear on the slowest forwards list even once. Love Couts, but he skates like his blades are made of Bondo.

 

[deadhead]

I need someone to explain to me how slow those men are that Sean Couturier doesn't appear on the slowest forwards list even once. Love Couts, but he skates like his blades are made of Bondo.

Couts has skated like that since before his back injury.
Which is why I think Torts wants to move him to LW in a role similar to Mark Stone.
After they find a couple centers.

Couts gets by with his off the charts IQ, but where his lack of speed hurts him is to get back at center he has to be more conservative than you'd like, at wing he'd could be more aggressive on offense.

 

[TB87]

They've already sat brink for Richard, amongst others

“Fast always means good.”

- John (Horsekicked) Tortorella, Esquire

 

[Beef Invictus]

“Fast always means good.”

- John (Horsekicked) Tortorella, Esquire

 

[renberg]

This ragging on his defensive play because of a lack of speed is annoying. He won a Selke because he is a slow stiff on defense. Got it.
He's a big dude with long strides and a huge reach with his stick. He covers a lot of ice even if he is not a speed demon. Then there is his IQ where he sees the play as it's coming and gets to the right spots ahead of time.
Little of this criticism of SC's defensive play was out there until Tortorella started to make a deal of it last season. The jealous little twerp with the goatee just couldn't stand the fact that someone was liked more than him in the room and was going to get a C on his sweater. He's such a small person.