2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[DancingPanther]

Just took a peak at Seeler’s numbers this year. Yiiiiiikes. It was predictable but this early into the extension is rough.

Player that stinks and has one good year goes back to stinking. That's something no one could have seen coming

 

[trostol]

 

[VladDrag]

Seasons in descending order.

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What's particularly concerning is that the only thing he rates well in anymore is PK duty. The 5v5 stuff has completely disappeared.

I would have been so happy for the guy to sign that contract anywhere else after toiling through the minors for years. They can't even give me that much joy.

not according to EH lol

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Coaches can't abolish human nature.

Games between teams fighting for playoff spots are more intense, which is a better environment for young players to understand what it takes to stay in the NHL. When you get to March, and the playoffs are realistically unattainable, players tend to focus on stats (next contract) and their tee times on their off days.

It's the job of the coach to keep them focused. It is legitimately difficult. I've said time and time again that the emotional aspects of professional coaching are the most challenging.

But either you can do it or you can't and you need to be fired. You would never say a coach is focusing on tee times because it's March, which is the exact double standard the organization applies that has found new ways to sink them for a decade. Nothing is ever their fault until they find the fall guy. Then everything was on them and people believe it because it's easy.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No player has ever learned how to play in the NHL without playing in the NHL.

 

[deadhead]

It's the job of the coach to keep them focused. It is legitimately difficult. I've said time and time again that the emotional aspects of professional coaching are the most challenging.

But either you can do it or you can't and you need to be fired. You would never say a coach is focusing on tee times because it's March, which is the exact double standard the organization applies that has found new ways to sink them for a decade.

You can keep a team from imploding, but HCs can't artificially create the intensity and motivation that comes from a PO run. In fact, try too hard and your players will just tune you out.

I mean most players aren't stupid, they know the games don't matter, that they're just playing for the stats and pride.

No player has ever learned how to play in the NHL without playing in the NHL.

But a lot of players have regressed b/c they were rushed to the NHL before they were ready.
However, no one has been able to point out to me a player who's career was ruined by spending an extra season in the AHL.

 

[freakydallas13]

But a lot of players have regressed b/c they were rushed to the NHL before they were ready.
However, no one has been able to point out to me a player who's career was ruined by spending an extra season in the AHL.

Why does it only have to be absolutes? Isn't it possible players could have been held back but not completely ruined by playing in the AHL too long?

Also, saying "a player was ruined by being rushed into the NHL" is a level of certainty in evaluation that is almost impossible to prove. Maybe it wasn't being rushed, maybe it was a bad coach/locker room/personal life/ whatever that actually was the reason they failed. We, and more importantly you don't know nearly enough about individual players who played in the NHL early and failed to determine why it was they failed. Especially not with the degree of confidence you espouse.

 

[ponder719]

But a lot of players have regressed b/c they were rushed to the NHL before they were ready.
However, no one has been able to point out to me a player who's career was ruined by spending an extra season in the AHL.

That's because it's triflingly easy to look at a player who may have overcooked in the AHL and claim it was because they never had the talent to begin with. One can always concoct a number of explanations for why someone or something fails, and simply adopt the one that best suits their preferred narrative.

A coach's job is to identify those players who have regressed because they weren't ready, and help them identify and overcome those deficiencies. Good teams do that, bad teams don't.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You can keep a team from imploding, but HCs can't artificially create the intensity and motivation that comes from a PO run. In fact, try too hard and your players will just tune you out.

I mean most players aren't stupid, they know the games don't matter, that they're just playing for the stats and pride.


But a lot of players have regressed b/c they were rushed to the NHL before they were ready.
However, no one has been able to point out to me a player who's career was ruined by spending an extra season in the AHL.

Ah right, so we should let every prospect wither on the vine until they magically learn how to play in the NHL without ever playing. That's definitely worked so well for the Flyers!

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Damn that ends up being at least 17 phone calls!

#crackedthecode

 

[dragonoffrost]

Right now there's no room at the inn.

Why is there no room at the in? You could waive DeLo and send him to LHV and make room. Since he's either only good for 6 minutes a game or a spot eating popcorn.

That give the mystical roster spot you can put a guy like Richard and then rotate him and Laughton, Hathaway, Cates, et al. and get him some more time to see if he's for real since he earned the longer look in his small sample size. If he doesn't work out you call DeLo back up or another LHV prospect if someone is foolish enough to claim DeLo on that dumb contract.

This also has the benefit of not having to augment DeLo's line mates with players from other lines as they probably deserve 8-12 minutes a game. Which keeps players elsewhere on the roster fresher.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I'd think this would show up in shot velocity (though the data doesn't seem to distinguish between slapshots and wrist shots). And that would be reflected in higher Sh% rates outside the high danger areas (i.e. higher velocity shots from longer distances beating goaltenders).

It might also show up as quicker releases if "better" sticks allowed you to garner velocity with a more compact shooting motion. Watching games, a quick release is more deceptive (and makes it easier to use a defender as a screen) and thus should be effective at lower velocity (the key is not how fast a puck is shot, but how much time the goalie has between recognizing a shot and it arriving at the goal).

Again, probably requires detailed and thus proprietary data.

Players rarely take slap shots anymore. So I think this is more about the combination of lightning quick release and velocity attainable on wrist shots with these souped-up super-light sticks.

Obviously, the restrictions in goalie equipment size make more net available, too.

 

[deadhead]

Why is there no room at the in? You could waive DeLo and send him to LHV and make room. Since he's either only good for 6 minutes a game or a spot eating popcorn.

That give the mystical roster spot you can put a guy like Richard and then rotate him and Laughton, Hathaway, Cates, et al. and get him some more time to see if he's for real since he earned the longer look in his small sample size. If he doesn't work out you call DeLo back up or another LHV prospect if someone is foolish enough to claim DeLo on that dumb contract.

This also has the benefit of not having to augment DeLo's line mates with players from other lines as they probably deserve 8-12 minutes a game. Which keeps players elsewhere on the roster fresher.

DeLo's spot is meaningless. He's played 7 games out of 22 at 6 minutes a night.

And why are you rotating prospects in? Either play them or send to LHV to play big minutes.

Richard is not a prospect, he's a bigger version of Martel, a faster version of Mayhew who had 11 goals in 40 games at age 29, then never saw the NHL again. He's the kind of player you stash on well paying two way deals for depth, similar to Belpedio on defense.

People get obsessed with the smallest details around here.

 

[kudymen]

People get obsessed with the smallest details around here.

I will take irony for $1000.

 

[Beef Invictus]

DeLo's spot is meaningless. He's played 7 games out of 22 at 6 minutes a night.

And why are you rotating prospects in? Either play them or send to LHV to play big minutes.

Richard is not a prospect, he's a bigger version of Martel, a faster version of Mayhew who had 11 goals in 40 games at age 29, then never saw the NHL again. He's the kind of player you stash on well paying two way deals for depth, similar to Belpedio on defense.

People get obsessed with the smallest details around here.

If its meaningless why is he here?

 

[deadhead]

If its meaningless why is he here?

Because he's got a 4 year contract and the NTC expired this season.
Briere will listen to offers, hopefully some Dino wants an enforcer for the playoffs.
Plus, marginal vets are the norm for your extra roster players who keep the press box warm.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Because he's got a 4 year contract and the NTC expired this season.
Briere will listen to offers, hopefully some Dino wants an enforcer for the playoffs.
Plus, marginal vets are the norm for your extra roster players who keep the press box warm.

So Dino teams go for enforcers. Got it. How much press box warming did he do the last two years? Is it normal for good teams to hand out 4yr contracts with a NTC to goons?

 

[deadhead]

So Dino teams go for enforcers. Got it. How much press box warming did he do the last two years? Is it normal for good teams to hand out 4yr contracts with a NTC to goons?

If you got a lot of 120 lb weaklings who get sand kicked in their faces.

The fact that he hardly dresses suggests his day has come and gone.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Because he's got a 4 year contract and the NTC expired this season.
Briere will listen to offers, hopefully some Dino wants an enforcer for the playoffs.
Plus, marginal vets are the norm for your extra roster players who keep the press box warm.

it's really, really funny that you think an NTC could keep him from being traded to another dumb team.

The real problems are:

They do not want to trade him
Nobody even wants one of the worst players in the league

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

@deadhead Dont know why it didn’t quote you.

Yea, he's protected so many of our young guys. If that's his sole purpose for being here, it's kind of hard to do that from the press box. Michkov's "New best friend's" day was gone before he signed here.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Delete

 

[ybnvs]

DeLo's spot is meaningless.

It's not meaningless. He takes up a roster slot. He costs against the cap. He's a multimillion dollar cheerleader that costs against the team's salary cap. That matters.

But it's especially not meaningless because you say in another post that, "...there is no room at the inn."

Delicious irony.

 

[dragonoffrost]

It's not meaningless. He takes up a roster slot. He costs against the cap. He's a multimillion dollar cheerleader that costs against the team's salary cap. That matters.

But it's especially not meaningless because you say in another post that, "...there is no room at the inn."

Delicious irony.

THIS so many times this! How can one be meaningless but yet have so many roster effects. Every roster spot is important.

How can one not understand a rotation of 8 players means each player misses one game in 7 so that's not making the player you want to evaluate sit too much or even sitting any player of those 8 since really Laughton, Hathaway, Poehling, Cates, Brink, Farabee, Foerster along with Richard could rotate one game off while the rest play. Maybe this wakes up the guys people feel are not carrying their weight and also keeps players fresh throughout the season. This team has enough to play special teams through this rotation so I don't want to hear that's why you can't sit Laughton, Hathaway, Poehling. or Cates. You got Coots, TK, Frost to fill in the spots to get to 6 PK forwards.

Same thing with EJ on Defense he's taking a valuable spot that you could have had other filled and then got to rest guys while still icing a competent roster and special teams.

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

No player has ever learned how to play in the NHL without playing in the NHL.

It's like this we hear at least once per season. "We wanted a veteran with experience for our playoff run. " But how do you become a veteran with experience for playoff runs??

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Nothing until 20min mark on trades. Says phones ringing past 7-10 days. Young guys/assets and some vets people have interest in. Teams calling "we all know who they are".

Thanks. I should have paused immediately after the trade talk, but ended up hearing Briere stroke himself off for having Staal, Johnson, Hathaway and Deslauriers working resurrecting the team's culture.