2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

pit

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The only way I can see Luchanko sticking is he's so good defensively, that they can be patient with his offense. Like 2-3 years patient.

I have been told ad nauseum that the NHL isn't a development league as justification for not playing young players over vets. This has been said year after year.

So how is Luchanko's offense supposed to develop in a non-development league?
 

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Not really setting the bar high if NAK is the best example. Are you saying NAK should be on the team? If he was my guess, he would be i year 3 of a 5-year deal getting Laughton money. Then many sayin how bad a deal.

NAK rules.


1, 000 others also passed through who never did anything. There will always be examples of success stories.

You've always deliberately refused to understand there is a difference between "NAK is an NHL 4th liner" which he is, and "NAK is a legend," which you pretend people say and they never have.

He is emblematic of failed processes that see this team miss, overlook, and waste talent at every step. Leading to them burning various assets to fill out the roster, and then limiting their ability to build higher up.

Everything matters. Being attached to veteran bottom sixers instead of selling them when that's their true value and filling their spot with drafted talent to see how your scouting and development is going is the stuff of bad teams.

Nobody makes a big deal out of NAK the player. They make a big deal out of the processes at play then and now which caused the Flyers to lose a player for nothing, and get stuck with a worse player in the lineup instead.
 
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Occam’s razor is the Flyers had a skewed perspective on Luchanko from even before they drafted him. It’s not much different from Keith Jones saying Bonk had a shot at making the team because he’s such a special player. Their assessment is not necessarily reality.

It’s not, but it seems they are closer to right than wrong.
 

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"Luchanko at 13? WTF these guys are stupid!! They don't know what they're doing! They missed a sure fire, #1 D prospect, norris winner, who went 6th as a d-man in his own draft class for a 3C! They're so stupid!"

"Luchanko looks pretty darn good! Wait, he's not blowing the doors down. But he's able to hang as an 18 year old. Wait, what? They're keeping him up! OMG they're so stupid!"

"Bonk was a stupid pick. They should have drafted another small, 1 dimensional winger, obviously. He he had an awesome season! . Oh... Bonk had an awesome D+1 year too? He sucks. Barely a top 4 upside d-man. *huge scoring season* Wait, that scoring rate will never translate. He's just a middle pair D-man with a role that can't possibly translate. Who cares that he's actually a really smart, effective player who had an awesome season. They're so dumb."

I mean, it's pretty easy to see it over 2 drafts. I'm not saying all these players will be stars. But nobody develops players hoping they'll become McDavids and Makars, because no matter who you are, that's a very small probability. You draft good players and hope they become those. Nobody drafts for the 1% outcome.

"Bjarnasson stinks! OMG what a terrible pick. Post rookie camp: wait, he's actually pretty good! And nevermind that we have another pick who's absolutely killing it in the KHL in Zavagrin! Can't be. Flyers suck at drafting, then developing them."

"Flyers obviously f'ed up with Kolosov. They threw him on an island with no internet, food or whatever, by himself, with nobody else in the world to help in like 99% of the other people in this world who have to move internationally."

I know we're angry with the Flyers, but there are some positives.
 
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"Luchanko at 13? WTF these guys are stupid!! They don't know what they're doing! They missed a sure fire, #1 D prospect, norris winner, who went 6th as a d-man in his own draft class for a 3C! They're so stupid!"

"Luchanko looks pretty darn good! Wait, he's not blowing the doors down. But he's able to hang as an 18 year old. Wait, what? They're keeping him up! OMG they're so stupid!"

"Bonk was a stupid pick. They should have drafted another small, 1 dimensional winger, obviously. He he had an awesome season! . Oh... Bonk had an awesome D+1 year too? He sucks. Barely a top 4 upside d-man. *huge scoring season* Wait, that scoring rate will never translate. He's just a middle pair D-man with a role that can't possibly translate. Who cares that he's actually a really smart, effective player who had an awesome season. They're so dumb."

I mean, it's pretty easy to see it over 2 drafts. I'm not saying all these players will be stars. But nobody develops players hoping they'll become McDavids and Makars, because no matter who you are, that's a very small probability. You draft good players and hope they become those. Nobody drafts for the 1% outcome.

"Bjarnasson stinks! OMG what a terrible pick. Post rookie camp: wait, he's actually pretty good! And nevermind that we have another pick who's absolutely killing it in the KHL in Zavagrin! Can't be. Flyers suck at drafting, then developing them."

"Flyers obviously f'ed up with Kolosov. They threw him on an island with no internet, food or whatever, by himself, with nobody else in the world to help in like 99% of the other people in this world who have to move internationally."

I know we're angry with the Flyers, but there are some positives.

It’s been 3 months since the draft and a preseason camp. Having that sway your opinion is an agenda.
 
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"Luchanko at 13? WTF these guys are stupid!! They don't know what they're doing! They missed a sure fire, #1 D prospect, norris winner, who went 6th as a d-man in his own draft class for a 3C! They're so stupid!"

"Luchanko looks pretty darn good! Wait, he's not blowing the doors down. But he's able to hang as an 18 year old. Wait, what? They're keeping him up! OMG they're so stupid!"

"Bonk was a stupid pick. They should have drafted another small, 1 dimensional winger, obviously. He he had an awesome season! . Oh... Bonk had an awesome D+1 year too? He sucks. Barely a top 4 upside d-man. *huge scoring season* Wait, that scoring rate will never translate. He's just a middle pair D-man with a role that can't possibly translate. Who cares that he's actually a really smart, effective player who had an awesome season. They're so dumb."

I mean, it's pretty easy to see it over 2 drafts. I'm not saying all these players will be stars. But nobody develops players hoping they'll become McDavids and Makars, because no matter who you are, that's a very small probability. You draft good players and hope they become those. Nobody drafts for the 1% outcome.

"Bjarnasson stinks! OMG what a terrible pick. Post rookie camp: wait, he's actually pretty good! And nevermind that we have another pick who's absolutely killing it in the KHL in Zavagrin! Can't be. Flyers suck at drafting, then developing them."

"Flyers obviously f'ed up with Kolosov. They threw him on an island with no internet, food or whatever, by himself, with nobody else in the world to help in like 99% of the other people in this world who have to move internationally."

I know we're angry with the Flyers, but there are some positives.
funny you mention these players, cause Briere has stated that the Flyers will be a team that doesnt have these types of players(at least 4 of them I guess theyd be happy if they had just 1 of them). You can look that up.

and another new positive police constable emerges. Heaven forbid that posters harp on the bad things the org has done consistently for over a 10 year period! The inept management that still rears its ugly head that has spun the team down the spiral of mediocrity with no end in sight. And no Luchanko, Bonk, and Bjarnasson(also Zvaragin seems to be the better prospect) arent the rudders steering this burning wreckage into relevance no matter how hard the PR team tries. Dont get me wrong I want the team to succeed I just dont see it happening without significant changes at the top, which a lot posters have stressed.
 

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