2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[blackjackmulligan]

5x5 is a good basis for comparison b/c PP scoring often is a matter of being on the right team with a couple really good playmakers setting you up. If Michkov is for real, and Drysdale can fill the PP QB role, everyone else should double their PP scoring this season without being better players.

The other thing to remember is PP/PK are essentially mirror images, if you can build a top ten PK unit you can get by with an average PP (which should be the Flyers' goal right now). A top PK depends on solid goalie play to be effective because even a bad PP will still get a shot or two on goal every PP.

If you can't find a McDavid, you can build a solid offense around three lines (see Dallas). So an extra guy over 40 will balance not having a guy hit 60+.

Top scoring teams, players over 40, players over 30:
COL (304): 4/7 (Makar, Toews) - 5 forwards over 30
TOR (303): 5/8 (Reilly) - 7
Dallas (298): 7/10 (Heiskenan) - 9
EDM (294): 5/8 (Bouchard, Ekholm) - 6
TB (291): 5/7 (Hedman) - 6
NJ (283): 3/6 (Hughes) - 5
NYR (282): 4/6 (Fox) - 5
Van (279): 5/8 (Hughes, Hronek) - 6
CAR (279: 3/8 (Skjei, Slavin) - 6
FLA (268): 4/5 (Forsling) - 4
Bos (267), Winnipeg (259) - you don't need to score if you have top goalies!

Flyers (235): 3/5 (Sanheim) - 4
Couts 29, Laughton 26, Foerster 24, York 22, Atkinson 22, Brink 20, Cates 16.
Out of this group, you need 2-3 to jump into the 30+ group, and Frost from 30 to 40+.
MIchkov replacing Atkinson is a good bet for 1.

What year do you see the Flyers being ready for cup contention?

 

[deadhead]

What year do you see the Flyers being ready for cup contention?

2027-28. Unless a goalie emerges. Then sooner.

As FLA, Winnipeg and Boston show, top ten goalie play can elevate an average offensive team that plays solid defense.

Think they need Michkov, Luchanko, Bonk, a couple current players to take a step up, maybe one key trade, and a couple picks from the 2025 draft to step in. If they can build 3 solid lines, an average PP, a top ten PK and better than average goalie play, they're a top 8 team.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Who is #20?

I don’t think Michkov really needs to be meeting with the media every day.

This is line with him thinking anyone under the age of 30 is a moron though.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

2027-28. Unless a goalie emerges. Then sooner.

As FLA, Winnipeg and Boston show, top ten goalie play can elevate an average offensive team that plays solid defense.

Think they need Michkov, Luchanko, Bonk, a couple current players to take a step up, maybe one key trade, and a couple picks from the 2025 draft to step in. If they can build 3 solid lines, an average PP, a top ten PK and better than average goalie play, they're a top 8 team.

Those teams are also much better than the Flyers. Though yes a goalie can do that no doubt. However don't see any goalie they have now or in the system being that guy by 27/28. Unless Ivan is a stud.

So 3 years if a very optimistic stand. I totally disagree.

They need MM to be a flat out star for starters. Top 10 player in the league. Then need another one at least to be élite level up front and on the back end. Do not see anyone in the system at this time fitting that bill. Or even coming close. So how do they get them?

The you have the coaching aspect. Who will be that coach in 27/28.

 

[deadhead]

Carolina and Dallas are good models for the Flyers, don't cry that you don't have 2-3 elite scorers, go out and build your offense 3 lines deep and have 2-3 D-men who can score (Sanheim and ???). That's doable given the ammunition they have in this summer's draft.

Florida won with a first D-pair of Forsling - Montour, Reinhart isn't elite, he had a career year like ROR in St. Louis, Tkachuk, Barkov and Verhaeghe. After that, nothing special.

Meanwhile, NJ was a top ten scoring team that finished 7 points behind the Flyers, both teams had bad goaltending, but NJ played mediocre defense (PHL 2.37 xGA/60, NJ 2.63 xGA/60). Which is why NJ went out and spent the offseason building up their bottom six.

Average offense with good defense and good goalies is as effective as elite offense with average defense and average goalies. It's easier to build a good defensive team than obtain elite scorers.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Carolina and Dallas are good models for the Flyers, don't cry that you don't have 2-3 elite scorers, go out and build your offense 3 lines deep and have 2-3 D-men who can score (Sanheim and ???). That's doable given the ammunition they have in this summer's draft.

Florida won with a first D-pair of Forsling - Montour, Reinhart isn't elite, he had a career year like ROR in St. Louis, Tkachuk, Barkov and Verhaeghe. After that, nothing special.

Do the Flyers follow the Carolina analytical ways? No the do not ad have shown no inclination to do so. So using them as a model may not be a good example.

Florida had a very good fn team. Simple as that. No need to break it down.

How does one describe the Flyers roster then?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

MM threatens the spotlight away from the face of the franchise.

not one person here could have called this.. not even one..

 

[deadhead]

Do the Flyers follow the Carolina analytical ways? No the do not ad have shown no inclination to do so. So using them as a model may not be a good example.

Florida had a very good fn team. Simple as that. No need to break it down.

How does one describe the Flyers roster then?

A team in the middle of a rebuild.

They've filled out the roster (compare to the last few seasons or even last decade when they had some questionable players like VdV & Hagg on the 4th line and 3rd pair). They're building prospect depth.

The issue the next 2-3 years is upgrading the talent, either current players step up (Frost, Foerster, Brink, Drysdale, Zamula) or they'll be replaced. Older players like Laughton, Hathaway, Seeler, Risto will be phased out over this period.

Bonk, Luchanko, 1st rd picks this summer are key players in this process.

The wildcards will be the players taken after the 1st rd, you need to hit on 2 or 3 to have quality organizational depth. Which 2 or 3? Barkey? Bump? Berglund? Mills? Zavragin? Bjarnason? We'll find out.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm quite sure that they factually lack talent. Look around the league.

It's by design. It's their goal.

 

[Beef Invictus]

A team in the middle of a rebuild.

They've filled out the roster (compare to the last few seasons or even last decade when they had some questionable players like VdV & Hagg on the 4th line and 3rd pair). They're building prospect depth.

The issue the next 2-3 years is upgrading the talent, either current players step up (Frost, Foerster, Brink, Drysdale, Zamula) or they'll be replaced. Older players like Laughton, Hathaway, Seeler, Risto will be phased out over this period.

Bonk, Luchanko, 1st rd picks this summer are key players in this process.

The wildcards will be the players taken after the 1st rd, you need to hit on 2 or 3 to have quality organizational depth. Which 2 or 3? Barkey? Bump? Berglund? Mills? Zavragin? Bjarnason? We'll find out.

If they're in the middle of a rebuild then it's a mistake to have kept players like Laughton and Seeler and Hathaway whose only real value is to become draft picks that may matter when the rebuild is done.

Either they aren't rebuilding or they've screwed it up. Take your pick

 

[FlyerNutter]

they’ve been retooling for a decade. Under 3 GMs.

Michkov, and TK is all they have to show for it.

 

[deadhead]

If they're in the middle of a rebuild then it's a mistake to have kept players like Laughton and Seeler and Hathaway whose only real value is to become draft picks that may matter when the rebuild is done.

Either they aren't rebuilding or they've screwed it up. Take your pick

Or maybe they think a veteran core is important for player development, and that forcing good prospects to play with marginal prospects who have little experience would be counterproductive for their development.

Seeler - Drysdale is a good example, what young LHD would you pair with Drysdale who could help him defensively? Zamula? Ginning? Andrae? McDonald?