Prospect Info: 2024/25 Oilers Prospect Thread

[McDNicks17]

Right? If he is often playing on a line with good offensive players, and often playing with one of the best offensive d in the league, he should be collecting points. Like what, is his role to never touch the puck and only let the other guys?
He is also seeming to settle into more of a third line role for the team which, I don’t know much but that’s not a great sign for a first round draft pick in his d+1.
Like it’s not bust status or anything but it definitely points to a guy who will most likely be a limited player. Like a 3rd/4th liner in the NHL. Not completely useless but still.

Like if he continues his pace over 68 games he will actually drop 10 points from last season. Which….i mean.

Instead of guessing, you could watch them play.

The Knights are a heavy rush team and it's usually Dickinson either rushing the puck or joining the rush. Tonight is a good example of how much the offense is focused around him. The Knights scored six goals. He had six points. O'Reilly is the guy deep in the Knights zone playing D and he was almost always the guy that sits back in Dickinson's spot because it would be stupid to not let a defenseman scoring at 2 points per game roam. You aren't going to collect many points when some of the best players in the CHL are scoring at will off the rush or as the net-front PP guy when everything is just going in from the outside.

O'Reilly showed his value tonight. Just an absolute stud defensively and showed that 1st round skill when he had a chance.

 

[Shizuka]

Dickinson is something else, nearly 2pts a game as a D. Guy is just too good for junior at this point. SJ has an incredible prospect there.

 

[Senor Catface]

Instead of guessing, you could watch them play.

The Knights are a heavy rush team and it's usually Dickinson either rushing the puck or joining the rush. Tonight is a good example of how much the offense is focused around him. The Knights scored six goals. He had six points. O'Reilly is the guy deep in the Knights zone playing D and he was almost always the guy that sits back in Dickinson's spot because it would be stupid to not let a defenseman scoring at 2 points per game roam. You aren't going to collect many points when some of the best players in the CHL are scoring at will off the rush or as the net-front PP guy when everything is just going in from the outside.

O'Reilly showed his value tonight. Just an absolute stud defensively and showed that 1st round skill when he had a chance.

 

[Fourier]

Instead of guessing, you could watch them play.

The Knights are a heavy rush team and it's usually Dickinson either rushing the puck or joining the rush. Tonight is a good example of how much the offense is focused around him. The Knights scored six goals. He had six points. O'Reilly is the guy deep in the Knights zone playing D and he was almost always the guy that sits back in Dickinson's spot because it would be stupid to not let a defenseman scoring at 2 points per game roam. You aren't going to collect many points when some of the best players in the CHL are scoring at will off the rush or as the net-front PP guy when everything is just going in from the outside.

O'Reilly showed his value tonight. Just an absolute stud defensively and showed that 1st round skill when he had a chance.

A stat that can tell the story in these situations is IPP. It tells you the percentage of points a player receives when a goal is scored when they are on the ice. Great players dominate puck possession. When you are on the ice with a guy like McDavid for example he has the puck so much that if a goal is scored he is going to almost always get a point. His all situation IPP is about 80%. Moreover, because of his ability to generate his own opportunities a larger percentage of the points he is in on are goals with only one assist. That means that when you play with McDavid more goals are scored but you may be in on a far fewer percentage of those than you would driving your own line. This is what is happening with O'Reilly when he plays with Dickinson and the Knights big boys.

 

[Spawn]

A stat that can tell the story in these situations is IPP. It tells you the percentage of points a player receives when a goal is scored when they are on the ice. Great players dominate puck possession. When you are on the ice with a guy like McDavid for example he has the puck so much that if a goal is scored he is going to almost always get a point. His all situation IPP is about 80%. Moreover, because of his ability to generate his own opportunities a larger percentage of the points he is in on are goals with only one assist. That means that when you play with McDavid more goals are scored but you may be in on a far fewer percentage of those than you would driving your own line. This is what is happening with O'Reilly when he plays with Dickinson and the Knights big boys.

This all sounds a bit dubious to me. Just regarding the bold for example, of McDavids 132 points last year, 111 of them three players got a point on the goal (84%). Compare that to the entire league where 78% of goals scored had two assists. So plays with McDavid were more likely to end up with two assists than the average goal.

And while an elite player might have an unusually high IPP, that would presumably be balanced out by the sheer number of goals that are being scored while they’re on the ice.

 

[Fourier]

This all sounds a bit dubious to me. Just regarding the bold for example, of McDavids 132 points last year, 111 of them three players got a point on the goal (84%). Compare that to the entire league where 78% of goals scored had two assists. So plays with McDavid were more likely to end up with two assists than the average goal.

And while an elite player might have an unusually high IPP, that would presumably be balanced out by the sheer number of goals that are being scored while they’re on the ice.

I should have been more careful in what I stated. My refence was based on stats I put together about two years ago ad was for to ES points. Here are the numbers for McDavid ES over the last in terms of percentage of points with two assits.

2023-24 79.3%
2022-23 75%
2021-22 75,6%
2020-21 71.8%
2019-20 76.5%

It would be interesting to see how that 78% was calculated. On thing to note is that SH goals tend to have fewer assists awarded by a significant amount. For example in these five years McDavid had 9 SH points and 7 of them had one or fewer assist. And over this period there were was 1 4 vs 5 GF for ever 5 vs 5 GF. So it is very likely that the ES points with two or more assists typically exceeds 80%.

Just for comparison lets look at Kucherov over the last few years ES.

Kucherov

2023-24 82.4%
2022-23 84.1%
2021-22 76.9%
2020-21 Did not play
2019-20 78.3%