Suntouchable13
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Ok fine, I can live with no Alonso but what’s the plan? Santander is great but he is not enough. Need another bat. Where is that bat gonna come from? Even Juan Soto alone wouldn't be enough, let alone a Santander.
Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)
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The plan is the same as always. Management has values for every player and they will grab based on that.
Depending on money, you could see a reliever, a buy-low starter, maybe offer the Semien deal to Kim.
Basically, look for guys who will make a contract that makes no sense (Santander projected at 20 getting under 14 for example). The Jays were likely looking at a 16-18AAV for Alonso while still paying him 80M or so over 3 years.
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I agree with you. I am still hoping the waiting game will help them get Alonso or even Bregman.
If Alonso weren't from NY, I think he'd be a Jay already.
While BNS and Shi say that there is no movement on Scherzer, I think he's one phone call away (the problem being that while he likes Toronto's money, he wants another piece to show that Toronto is serious).
Yariel is seen as another back of the bullpen candidate if he moves.
Spring Training starts in about three weeks I would expect some movement fairly soon among players.
I really want Pete as I think the middle of the order would be a lot of fun. If they can’t make it work I hope they are in on Louis Robert Jr, even if it costs one of our better prospects. We now have a bunch of guys knocking at the door of MLB and can afford to deal from that surplus if it lands us 3 yrs of Robert.
My only reservation about this is that Varsho has actually been a more valuable outfielder than LouBob.
If this were for a corner OF spot, I'd be 100% on board, but Varsho is an elite defensive CF.
I’d definitely put Robert in a corner spot once Varsho returns. Varsho has proven to be the best defensive CF in the game, and I bet Robert would make a great RF. No idea if he’d be ok with the move, but we’d be able to offer him the chance to win.
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This sticking to their spreadsheets stuff really annoys me sometimes. Get aggressive for once. Could have snagged Pistol Pete long time ago if they were aggressive. Just my opinion.
Agreed. If they truly wanted him, they would have acquired him a long time ago. Adding Pistol Pete would create a powerful and formidable lineup. Get it done already!
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Could have signed Alonso and re-signed Vladdy giving Steve Cohen a giant middle finger. But we don’t do that around here.
That still could happen, but Toronto is going to make it hurt by paying as little more than the Mets as possible if they do. (Imagine signing Soto to that deal then potentially losing Alonso over 5M over 3 years)
They should offer Alonso something similar to the Bellinger contract with opt outs.
Year 1: 26.5
Year 2: 25.0 player option
Year 3: 23.5 player option
Total: 3 years, 75 m
Cohen's comments suggested that that might be what Toronto has on the table.
One note is that there if Bellinger opts out, he still gets paid something.
yeah, and the number I heard was around 68-70 m. If the Mets offered 68-70 m, how much more would the Jays need to offer, like 80 m?
If the Jays offer around 5 million more and the offer is still on the table from the Mets, he might just go back to the Mets. The Jays probably need to get close to 80.
Maybe something like this would be better
Year 1: 28
year 2: 27
year 3: 25
total 80 m
If it's that close, assuming all else is equal, I have to assume he ends up with the Mets. But it would likely come down to things other than money at that point... opt-outs/options, how the contract is structured, etc.
Respectfully, I hate it that way, but only a certain part of it. If it is built your way then all he has to need to beat is a 23.5 million offer to want to leave after 1 year. If you go 23.5-25-26.5, then he has more incentive to stay after each year. Even if he says no to something so small in year 1, then find a way to include signing bonus as part of it. The talk out there right now that he wants the opt out with a 5 million bonus if he opts out after 1 year could make it a 1 year- 31.5 million dollar deal. I don't remember where I heard he wants the bonus attached when he opts out to be paid out after he leaves, but it is out there somewhere. The only way I would want your way is if they didn't put that bonus if he opts out clause in there.
possibly a 1 year and 31.5 deal for him and also lose a comp pick is too much for him. I could be reading this all wrong too. My wife says I do that all the time. Maybe I misread the bonus thing and that is someone else.
He does want a bonus, but I think that there is more to the structure than that.
I could see something like 26.5M for year one with an opt out.
He'd get something like 2 or 3M if he opts out or gets 25 for year two, then something like 5M if he opts out after year 2 or 23.5M. (In a perfect world, there is a team option in there somewhere, like a 4th year, similar to the Santander deal)
Tbh I want Alonso for 1 year not 3 so I don’t mind structuring it in a way where he may leave. Alonso would be really ideal for a 1 year last dance with Bo and Vladdy. But if we re-sign Vladdy for 1B, I think Santander will need more DH time soon so having DH open by 2026 or 2027 might be wise. Plus we have Orelvis and others as potential DH options long term, and ofc Santander.
That is what is great about different fans' perspective on the same situation. I prefer he stays for 3 or more years. If Vladdy resigns, he can play 3B, Alonso 1B and Santander in the outfield. You can still mostly move the DH role among them and extent their health. I actually think Vlad at 3B gives him more incentive to slim down a bit instead of being at 1B and the body type you can get away with playing there. If Vladdy leaves, then we already have his replacement at 1B in house too.
I really think Bo is gone after next year, so Gimenez would likely slide back to short and cover better for any lack of range Vlad will have there. I am older than dirt so I may be remembering it wrong, but I thought I remembered Vladdy's biggest flaw at 3B was his lack of range. It would be less of an issue slimmed down and with a defensive whizz beside him. I just don't want Alonso for 1 year then us having to figure this all (and potentially more) out a year from now.
I really think Bo is gone after next year, so Gimenez would likely slide back to short and cover better for any lack of range Vlad will have there. I am older than dirt so I may be remembering it wrong, but I thought I remembered Vladdy's biggest flaw at 3B was his lack of range. It would be less of an issue slimmed down and with a defensive whizz beside him. I just don't want Alonso for 1 year then us having to figure this all (and potentially more) out a year from now.
I thought Vlad was fine at 3B when he played there. I don't remember him having much of any trouble with his range at this position. Slot him at 3B and Alonso at 1B. They'll be fine.
I'm sure a lot of people share your perspective; Alonso is a big potential bat. I'm definitely willing to go 3 years for Alonso since that's the minimum it would take to sign him anyways, but basically, while I'm okay with playing Vlad 30-40 games at 3B in 2025, and I think Santander will be fine in RF, long-term I think Vlad is a probably a 1B, and Santander is more suited for more DH time by 2026 or 2027, since he's not even a good defensive outfielder now. 1B/DH will be easy to fill long-term with Vlad, Santander, and Martinez, etc if Alonso leaves, and then you can spend that money elsewhere. But I'm all in for Alonso on a 3 year deal regardless knowing he may opt in or opt out. This is the last season with Bo and Vlad both guaranteed to be here, so I think they owe it to the group to do whatever it takes to give them the supporting cast to see what this group can do.
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I didn't think he was very impressive in the few games they let him play at 3rd last year. And he was pretty bad at 3B when he first came up, it was no brainer they switched him to 1B and got a real 3B (Chapman).
But if we are going back to a scoring runs philosophy, I'd be willing to give Vlad a shot at 3B and have Alonso play 1B.
