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Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

I'm happy with the way our pen is currently looking. Add a lefty and maybe one more mid arm and it could be a strong unit.

Hoping for the remainder of additions:

LF Jurickson Profar

DH Anthony Santander

C Yasmani Grandal

SP Jose Quintana

I'd love to get Bregman at 3B, but I just don't see it happening. I think he'll end up in Boston if they don't acquire Arenado. IMO, if he wanted to be a Tiger or Blue Jay he'd have signed by now.
That’s an ambitious list, would be pretty impressive tho.

I’ve warmed to the idea of a three-headed monster at 1b/3b with Vladdy and Clement/Winker.

Lots of good unqualified guys yet.

I still think they get Santander and a pitcher. And make their pitch for Sasaki that will have some appeal to him.

Their approach is getting clearer I think as time passes.

Wait out the FA market, see what fits both long term and short term.

I think they’re pretty well positioned to sink or swim actually. If they compete, great, if not, there’s lots of pieces to sell off at the deadline with replacements ready to step in, so that ‘show me’ market might really appeal to them.
 
That’s an ambitious list, would be pretty impressive tho.

I’ve warmed to the idea of a three-headed monster at 1b/3b with Vladdy and Clement/Winker.

Lots of good unqualified guys yet.

I still think they get Santander and a pitcher. And make their pitch for Sasaki that will have some appeal to him.

Their approach is getting clearer I think as time passes.

Wait out the FA market, see what fits both long term and short term.

I think they’re pretty well positioned to sink or swim actually. If they compete, great, if not, there’s lots of pieces to sell off at the deadline with replacements ready to step in, so that ‘show me’ market might really appeal to them.
Profar is the most unlikely there, IMO.

Jays are linked to Quintana and Santander already. Acquiring a decent backup Catcher should be on the priority list too.

I feel more confident since the Hoffman signing. In his Instagram post about leaving Philly/joining Toronto, he mentioned the goal is to win a World Series. I don't think he'd mention that specifically if that wasn't the plan that he sees management putting together. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Just the vibe I got from it.

Also, why would management sign a top end guy to be our Closer if they don't think they'll be competitive? Seems like a piece you only add via Free Agency if you believe you'll be in the mix.
 
Maybe. They haven't been desperate enough to blow the socks off of anyone with a crazy offer to get someone though.

I think we as fans are more desperate than they are. They seem to be pretty calm, cool and collected (maybe too much so).
Its cheaper to overpay for an injury risk reliever than it is for a premium bat.
 

Now that first baseman Pete Alonso’s camp has told the New York Mets he is willing to accept a three-year contract with opt-outs, other prominent free agents are contemplating whether to follow suit.

At least two — right-hander Jack Flaherty and outfielder Anthony Santander — are open to considering short-term deals with high average annual values, according to league sources briefed on their discussions.

Spring training camps open in less than a month. A free agent such as Flaherty or Santander probably would not settle for a shorter deal before exhausting other alternatives. But with certain players, a pivot such as the kind made by four Scott Boras clients last offseason eventually might be appealing.


Left-hander Blake Snell turned his opt-out into a lucrative long-term deal. Third baseman Matt Chapman used the threat of an opt-out to do the same. First baseman/outfielder Cody Bellinger and left-hander Jordan Montgomery, on the other hand, stayed on their present contracts.

Flaherty, 29, is the youngest of the 15 domestic starting pitchers on The Athletic’s free-agent Big Board and the only one who is unsigned. His lingering presence on the open market qualifies as something of a surprise. He was ineligible to receive a qualifying offer because he was traded in the middle of the season and thus is not subject to draft-pick compensation.

Teams perhaps want to see Flaherty put together two consecutive seasons of elite performance. He produced a 3.17 ERA for the Detroit Tigers and Los Angeles Dodgers last season, then was inconsistent for the Dodgers in the postseason, following stellar performances in Game 1 of both the National League Championship Series and World Series with subpar showings in the respective Game 5s. Before that, he had a rocky ’23 coming off two straight injury-marred campaigns.

A one-year opt-out would enable Flaherty to re-enter the market at 30 but also would subject him to a qualifying offer for the first time. The early opt-outs are more appealing for the remaining free agents with QOs — Alonso, Santander, right-hander Nick Pivetta and third baseman Alex Bregman. The collective bargaining agreement prohibits a player from receiving qualifying offers twice.
 
Profar is the most unlikely there, IMO.

Jays are linked to Quintana and Santander already. Acquiring a decent backup Catcher should be on the priority list too.

I feel more confident since the Hoffman signing. In his Instagram post about leaving Philly/joining Toronto, he mentioned the goal is to win a World Series. I don't think he'd mention that specifically if that wasn't the plan that he sees management putting together. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Just the vibe I got from it.

Also, why would management sign a top end guy to be our Closer if they don't think they'll be competitive? Seems like a piece you only add via Free Agency if you believe you'll be in the mix.
I think an above average hitting second catcher makes sense too, especially given the makeup of the lineup, but I think that was shot down pretty early in the off-season.

I’ll qualify my argument. I’d infer that ‘world series’ contender for this team means be positioned well enough to fight for a wildcard and then evaluate around the deadline and decide which way to go. Given their division, is there really any other logical plan? So, some short term deals that might still have value of things go south makes sense. Alternately, the farm system could be in much better shape around the deadline….so, if things go north, they can pivot either way….adding or subtracting.

Adding a closer: may very well be a panic move/response to fan perception. This is the only time in their tenure that this FO added two pricier backend arms in one off-season, shifting from their MO a lil bit where pens are concerned.
 
Maybe. They haven't been desperate enough to blow the socks off of anyone with a crazy offer to get someone though.

I think we as fans are more desperate than they are. They seem to be pretty calm, cool and collected (maybe too much so).
If they would be calm, cool and collected they would accept the situation they are in and would rebuild. If you aim at winning next season you use all the cash you have to sign a top bat and after that you use what's left to fill holes. If you don't do that then the only sensible option is to trade Bo and Vlad and rebuild.
 

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Blue Jays find their closer in Hoffman​

The deal: Three years, $33 million
Grade: A-

Hoffman was one of my favorite free agents this offseason: a high-leverage reliever who has been one of the top bullpen arms in the majors over the past two seasons with the Phillies, posting a 2.28 ERA while averaging 12 K's per nine and allowing a .180 batting average and .544 OPS. While some teams reportedly had interest in Hoffman as a starter, the Blue Jays have already indicated Hoffman will be their closer (or at least get first crack at the job, but he's the clear front-runner considering their other options).

Which makes sense. With Jordan Romanounable to stay healthy last season and other relievers regressing from their 2023 seasons, the Toronto bullpen was awful: 29th in the majors in ERA and 28th in win probability added. Hoffman projects as a significant upgrade over their revolving door of ninth-inning options of last season (Romano has signed with the Phillies, so he and Hoffman have effectively changed places).

Getting a closer at $11 million per season also seems like a relative bargain -- especially compared with the contracts for some other elite closers in recent years: Edwin Diaz signed a five-year, $102 million contract with the Mets; Josh Hader went to the Astros on a five-year, $95 million deal. Those two haven't outpitched Hoffman over the past two seasons. Lesser relievers such as Aroldis Chapman ($10.75 million) and Andrew Kittredge ($10 million) have signed one-year deals this offseason at nearly the same level as Hoffman's average salary. Even Romano, coming off injuries that limited him to just 13 innings, signed for $8.5 million.

No, Hoffman doesn't have the Capital C Closer pedigree, although he did pick up 10 saves with the Phillies last season, but that's why he'll cost $33 million instead of $100 million. It's quite the turnaround for a guy the Reds let go after the 2022 season and Twins released in spring training of 2023. Hoffman's stuff has ticked up with the Phillies, however, as he has added a little more velocity on his four-seamer and more spin on his slider. His biggest change, however, has been in pitch usage: With the Reds in 2021-22, when he had a 4.28 ERA, he threw his four-seamer over 50% of the time. With the Phillies, it was 34% in 2023 and 39% in 2024. Add in his splitter and occasional two-seamer and he has a nice four-pitch repertoire (thus the idea of trying him as a starter).

Hoffman did have Tommy John surgery his draft year coming out of East Carolina and never managed to click as a starter with the Rockies, but that also means he has relatively little wear and tear on his arm. He just turned 32, so I believe his success will continue over the next three seasons. This could end up as one of the best signings of the offseason. -- Schoenfield
 

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