Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

[jetsforever]

Yikes. Run away, run far away from that negotiation table.

IDK, our division rivals are loading up and in a few years that probably won't be seen as such a big contract, and chances are he'll continue to be a good pitcher

 

[Dough72]

Vladdy isn’t worth $500 mill. The contract probably would be a boat anchor half way through it.

At this point you really have to look at trading him.

that contract is a cautionary tale waiting to happen. Also the city has see tons of athletes leave it's not even a big deal anymore. Guererro isn't anything special in that regard.

 

[phillipmike]

 

[HuGort]

Just wondering if the same posters that were calling Vladdy fat and lazy last May are the same ones complaining that he hasn’t been offered $500 million.

This managment group has completely botched the Vladdy and Bo situation.

Management has botched the Vlad situation. Low balling him after offering Soto big money. He's all but gone.

That's the bad news. Good news is Vlad, Bo, Green and Bassett will bring collasal return of prospects at deadline

 

[Zero1]

I believe that’s the biggest contract for a 1B.

That’s a very fair offer.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Him rejecting 340 million doesn't reflect negatively on management. I am really torn on this honestly, I really want to keep Vlad....but also he absolutely is not worth a 400+ million contract. The prudent move is to trade him. He can't be allowed to walk to free agency though, that is the one thing that can't happen.

 

[Amadeus]

Him rejecting 340 million doesn't reflect negatively on management. I am really torn on this honestly, I really want to keep Vlad....but also he absolutely is not worth a 400+ million contract. The prudent move is to trade him. He can't be allowed to walk to free agency though, that is the one thing that can't happen.

They should have signed him way earlier is where this management team dropped the ball. Same with Bo!

 

[Ale Brew]

They should have signed him way earlier is where this management team dropped the ball. Same with Bo!

Except he wasn’t very good in 22 and 23 and apparently wasn’t thrilled with our offers.

It’s easy to say what we should’ve done in hindsight. Honestly, last offseason we’d all have said Bo is the guy we should’ve had locked up long term.

This management has done a poor job, but Vlad has been an out of shape underperformer for two years and hadn’t earned a giant deal. Had they locked him up after 21 we’d all have applauded them, and then crucified them the following 2 years for overpaying.

 

[Bjindaho]

Except he wasn’t very good in 22 and 23 and apparently wasn’t thrilled with our offers.

It’s easy to say what we should’ve done in hindsight. Honestly, last offseason we’d all have said Bo is the guy we should’ve had locked up long term.

This management has done a poor job, but Vlad has been an out of shape underperformer for two years and hadn’t earned a giant deal. Had they locked him up after 21 we’d all have applauded them, and then crucified them the following 2 years for overpaying.

He was only made offers after good seasons, the one after 21 was too short to consider (not terrible for money), then the Jays waited until now.

Vlad and Soto are two of the (if not the) youngest players to hit free agency since A-Rod. The offer in 2021 would only have covered 3 more years (and would have involved paying him every penny he's made so far).

It's easy to say that 340 isn't going to work, because Vlad isn't looking for 10 years (he's likely looking for 13 or 14). The same would be true of Bo. Both should be paid, both should have been paid, and both will make a lot.

Being able to say the contract is too big requires better options (like an actual farm system).

 

[Dr.Funk]

IDK, our division rivals are loading up and in a few years that probably won't be seen as such a big contract, and chances are he'll continue to be a good pitcher

I have my doubts. I believe the he is right on the edge of decline.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Vlad will get probably 400+ on the market easily.

Same logic as Soto. Hitting free agency before the usual age 30 barrier is going to make him a shitload of extra money whether it's deserved or not. And that's not even considering he would likely be the most sought after piece on the market.

I have a sinking feeling he's probably gone already but there's still time so I'll withhold judgement for now.

 

[LaP]

Him rejecting 340 million doesn't reflect negatively on management. I am really torn on this honestly, I really want to keep Vlad....but also he absolutely is not worth a 400+ million contract. The prudent move is to trade him. He can't be allowed to walk to free agency though, that is the one thing that can't happen.

The prudent move is to fire Atkins and let another GM handle the situation. Don't want Atkins to handle that trade personally.

 

[stats1]

The prudent move is to fire Atkins and let another GM handle the situation. Don't want Atkins to handle that trade personally.

You think Ed Rogers has the slightest idea wtf he’s doing? Before getting advice from MLB executives to go interview/hire Shapiro and Atkins this ass clown wanted to hire Ken Williams as president of baseball operations! The same Ken Williams who destroyed the Chicago White Sox and are still in the dump today. Jays ain’t winning shit until Rogers sells.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Everyone has lost confidence in this front office. It's pointless trotting them back out there to right this ship. They need to call the Braves and find out what the cost is to get AA. Say what you will about him but the team was fun under him and the level of enthusiasm was greatly higher then today. Right a wrong Mr Rogers and launch Shapkins to the moon if not AA we need a new leader regardless. These two have had a decade and not only have they not won a playoff game since 2016 they have literally walked our two best players to free agency. How they keep their jobs is beyond me.

 

[Christ]

The prudent move is to fire Atkins and let another GM handle the situation. Don't want Atkins to handle that trade personally.

AMEN. Have ZERO confidence in Atkins. Useless from the get go, no idea how he still has his job.

 

[Cloned]

Atkins is what would’ve happened if the Wright brothers decided they weren’t ready to make their first flight, then after they failed a few times they decided to rip out the propeller and replace it with more wings.

 

[mikeyz]

You think Ed Rogers has the slightest idea wtf he’s doing? Before getting advice from MLB executives to go interview/hire Shapiro and Atkins this ass clown wanted to hire Ken Williams as president of baseball operations! The same Ken Williams who destroyed the Chicago White Sox and are still in the dump today. Jays ain’t winning shit until Rogers sells.

I think you have Williams confused with someone else, because IMO he was a fantastic GM for the White Sox and a big reason why they won in 06.

 

[aingefan]

I think Atkins is being smart here.

Waiting til today to sign Vlad, Santander and Burnes at 30% off.

Might even get free shipping.

 

[Greek_physique]

I think Atkins is being smart here.

Waiting til today to sign Vlad, Santander and Burnes at 30% off.

Might even get free shipping.

Atkins unfortunately isn't smart enough to subscribe to Amazon Prime...so he gets the knock off prices from Temu to hit free shipping.