Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)
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f*** i'd pay good money for someone to build a time machine so I could see that pitching matchup live.
For as much as Fernando Venezuela is credited with being a master of the screwball, I think that title probably rightfully belongs to Marichal.
For as much as Fernando Venezuela is credited with being a master of the screwball, I think that title probably rightfully belongs to Marichal.
Out of curiosity, I saw somebody mention it in the other thread. I also understand the athletics are a wild card when it comes to trades. But what would a normal package for a player like Rooker cost?
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Jays lost Matt Hague to the Pirates. Likely because they passed on promoting him to be their new hitting coach and chose to hire David Popkins instead.
Suntouchable13
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12 years ago today, the Blue Jays agreed to a pretty big trade with the Marlins;
Miami sent Mark Buehrle, Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, John Buck and Emilio Bonifacio to Toronto in exchange for Henderson Alvarez, Adeiny Hechavarria, Yunel Escobar, Jake Marisnick, Anthony Desclafani, Justin Nicolino and Jeff Mathis.
Trade didn't really end up working out obviously. The Jays shot up the odds and were projected by many not just to be a playoff team, but a legitimate world series contender.
Johnson; was cooked the moment he put on a Jays uniform. Years of injuries + being a workhorse caught up to him and the canary in the coal mine is when he failed his physical.
Buck: Legit don't remember him being part of this deal. Had an all-star season as a Jay in 2010, cashed in with the Marlins that offseason, got traded back for all of a few days before he was shipped to the Mets in the Dickey trade.
Buerhle: Pretty much the one guy who came as advertised. Reliable albeit not particularly flashy middle of the rotation guy who could eat innings. Played 3 seasons here with an all-star nod in 2015
Reyes: He was...fine, i guess? Overpaid for a guy who largely just was a contact hitter. Was dumped off on the Rockies in the Tulo trade.
Bonifacio; sucked outside of the fact i could make his name Bonerfacio which was a real hit amongst us dumbshit young adults.
Miami sent Mark Buehrle, Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, John Buck and Emilio Bonifacio to Toronto in exchange for Henderson Alvarez, Adeiny Hechavarria, Yunel Escobar, Jake Marisnick, Anthony Desclafani, Justin Nicolino and Jeff Mathis.
Trade didn't really end up working out obviously. The Jays shot up the odds and were projected by many not just to be a playoff team, but a legitimate world series contender.
Johnson; was cooked the moment he put on a Jays uniform. Years of injuries + being a workhorse caught up to him and the canary in the coal mine is when he failed his physical.
Buck: Legit don't remember him being part of this deal. Had an all-star season as a Jay in 2010, cashed in with the Marlins that offseason, got traded back for all of a few days before he was shipped to the Mets in the Dickey trade.
Buerhle: Pretty much the one guy who came as advertised. Reliable albeit not particularly flashy middle of the rotation guy who could eat innings. Played 3 seasons here with an all-star nod in 2015
Reyes: He was...fine, i guess? Overpaid for a guy who largely just was a contact hitter. Was dumped off on the Rockies in the Tulo trade.
Bonifacio; sucked outside of the fact i could make his name Bonerfacio which was a real hit amongst us dumbshit young adults.
Killer Orcas
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The excitement after this trade was insanity on boards I use to be on back in day. It didn't live up to be what was thought but man was it ever a good feeling knowing we had a shot to be great again !!
the valiant effort
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Suntouchable13
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Why didn't it work out that year? I remember we were all excited for the first time in a long time, then the Jays proceed to finish last place. Brutal.
Then Buerhle fell off sharply later that year, wasn't even on the post season roster for the ALDS or ALCS.
The Nemesis
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It didn't work out because as was said above, none of those guys really moved the needle.
Johnson was in the dumpster by the time the trade happened. He pitched less than 100 innings that year, was awful, and then was done because he was broken.
Reyes was fine, I guess. But he got a stupid contract from the Marlins, was already breaking down physically, and was also kind of always overrated because he was a high energy contact-hitting switch hitter. He had a career year in his last season in New York so that he could cash in with Miami, but he never had any power and if you look at his OPS+ he was more often closer to the league average than he was to the "really good hitter" range. His first year with the Jays he missed almost half the season, had basically no extra base power to speak of, and was just kind of an OK starter.
Buehrle was as advertised, but by that point in his career that was merely an OK middle/back of the rotation workhorse. He wasn't terrible but by bWAR it was still one of the worse seasons in his career.
Buck was sent out right away so he's irrelevant
and Bonifacio was more projection than reality. Everyone was excited for the idea of a multi-positional speed merchant but forgot that he couldn't hit. So he didn't hit and was shipped out to Kansas City for nothing.
If there's a silver lining it's that the Jays didn't give up a ton in return
Henderson Alvarez had a no-hitter with the Marlins and one good year following it, but then he suffered a rash of injuries and imploded and was toast within 3 years of the trade.
Anthony DeSclafani was flipped to the Reds a year later for Mat Latos and his carer has been a roller coaster of 2 very good mid-rotation years sandwiched by a bunch of years of being mediocre-to-poor or missing a bunch of time.
Yunel Escobar was traded to the Rays during that same off-season. He had one good year for them and then the bottom fell out on him as he became basically defensively unplayable. His enduring legacy is probably that time he wrote a slur on his eye-black and tried to plead ignorance of doing anything wrong.
Adeiny Hechavarria had a long career, but remained what he was with the Jays: a no-bat Shortstop whose late career transitioned into a no-bat utility infielder
Jeff Mathis was a dime-a-dozen replacement level backup catcher
Jake Marisnick had a long-ish run as a member of all those good* Astros teams, but he never did learn to hit and was a batless defensive outfielder for most of his career.
Justin Nicolino was once touted as on the level of Syndergaard and Sanchez in the Jays system, was a member of that title winning Vancouver Canadians squad with all 3 of them, and was considered to maybe have the most upside because he was a lefty. The Arrested Development narrator will tell you that he did not have that much upside. He made it up to the Marlins in 2015 and was godawful over parts of 3 years before being waived.
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Suntouchable13
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AA was still learning at that point of his career. He tried for a couple of home runs, ended up swinging and missing. But then he redeemed himself in 2015 so it all kinda evened out. He has been a really good executive since.
Killer Orcas
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This feels like very bad news.
I wondered if this would happen when they bypassed Hague for the job even though he seemed like the obvious choice.
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Since we just like this stuff.
something something sushi restaurant rented out, something something plane tracking.
You're not getting me again, social media.
You're not getting me again, social media.
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phillipmike
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Great negotiations tactics. This is Judge level stuff to get the Yankees to sweat and pay the most. Don’t fall into this trap Jays fans!
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What's Vladdy's favorite Dominican restaurant? We need to see if he's made any recommendations. lol
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Clearly all the other teams aren't giving him the money he wants and this is a last ditch effort to up their offers to match Toronto's. He should be a Jay by tomorrow afternoon once it's clear this tactic does not work as intended. In person meetings with the New York teams not required, the relationships already irreparable.
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