2024-25 NHLPA Player Poll

[Grifter3511]

I think that shows Kucherov is. The fact that he has nearly identical numbers without any of the physical gifts McDavid has is pretty incredible.

So being faster and more agile is a knock on his playmaking?

 

[Golden_Jet]

So being faster and more agile is a knock on his playmaking?

Kuch is the better playmaker.

 

[Grifter3511]

From 83-99 if games went to OT, the loser got nothing. Yes let’s go back to those days.
No to ties.

5on5? Sure. But dump the shootout or award a loser point.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

no more most overrated?

Retired along with Subban

 

[landy]

Messier and Gretzky played on seperate lines (and the former won Cups without the latter) and Jagr won scoring titles without Lemieux. I don't think they fit what you're going for here.

Hmm true, more trying to show some respect to Drais. What is another instance of a fake 2C who played a solid 40%+ of his time together with the unanimous 1C?

Messier and Jagr, more going for that they eventually did it by themselves which Drais may have the chance to prove soon enough, but when they were together, Gretz/Lemiuex always were better.

 

[Duke74]

Ironically, did you know that calling someone a troll is considered to be a troll itself. Mods here taught me that one which makes no sense.

I replied to your other post but you removed it or edited it or something.


Somersaults actually, but loathe was a bit strong. I think Draisaitl is a McDavid merchant, but one that is like Jagr to Lemieux, Messier to Gretzky, Rantanen to MacKinnon. I wont say Malkin to Crosby because they would have to actually play on separate lines for that to be accurate.

Drais is a phenomenal player, but I believe without McDavid he would "only" be a PPG 80-90 point player on a bubble playoff team. I think we will have a chance to see starting in 26-27.

Thanks for the education. I appreciate it.

It's OK to believe the earth is still flat. You're entitled to your opinion.

 

[landy]

Thanks for the education. I appreciate it.

It's OK to believe the earth is still flat. You're entitled to your opinion.

 

[Video Nasty]

Somersaults actually, but loathe was a bit strong. I think Draisaitl is a McDavid merchant, but one that is like Jagr to Lemieux,

Don’t really understand this comment. Jagr without Lemieux is arguably still one of the ten greatest players to ever play the game and also peaked at a level that someone like Crosby never reached. Jagr is also the best player post-Gretzky and Lemieux and pre-McDavid.

 

[1989]

him winning the best faceoff man is simply nuts, and not at all accurate. Voters probably had no idea who to vote for. Give me Tavares, Giroux, Michael McLeod, Jeff Carter any day.

Speaking of no idea who to vote for...

That retired guy? You can get him on the building but I don't think he's allowed on the ice during the game now.

Are you Mulletman's alt account? He already posted in here though, and it's not nice to upstage a local legend.

 

[Golden_Jet]

him winning the best faceoff man is simply nuts, and not at all accurate. Voters probably had no idea who to vote for. Give me Tavares, Giroux, Michael McLeod, Jeff Carter any day.

Ya winning best FO guy is wrong.

 

[Video Nasty]

You oilers nuts make it seem like I paint Drais to be some bum. I think hes great and hell have a chance to prove it in 26-27 when McDavid bolts. Point being in Jagr is that he did prove it when Lemieux was out.

Jagr is top 5 in my book.

I’m only commenting off what you wrote. Has nothing to do with my McDavid obsession.

 

[PamBallam]

him winning the best faceoff man is simply nuts, and not at all accurate. Voters probably had no idea who to vote for. Give me Tavares, Giroux, Michael McLeod, Jeff Carter any day.

So, you'd rather have a retired guy, and a guy who didn't even play this year for legal/personal reasons? Bold strategy. Sid has taken the most faceoffs in the league and is rocking a solid 57% win rate.

 

[Golden_Jet]

You oilers nuts make it seem like I paint Drais to be some bum. I think hes great and hell have a chance to prove it in 26-27 when McDavid bolts. Point being in Jagr is that he did prove it when Lemieux was out.

Jagr is top 5 in my book.

Not an oilers fan, you have painted him like a bum, but you’ve called him a fake 2C, a merchant…… and whatever else.
Which is hilarious.

 

[crowfish]

I think that shows Kucherov is. The fact that he has nearly identical numbers without any of the physical gifts McDavid has is pretty incredible.

That's an interesting perspective. I get what you are saying, but I am not sure it makes sense for McDavid to be knocked for his physical gifts.

I'll use a golf example. It's like if a big, strong golfer hits his drives 330 vs a short, skinny kid who hits it 325. Is the small kid really the better driver? It is impressive that he hits it so far without the apparent physical gifts, but objectively, the ball didn't go as far.

 

[SkinsFan09]

Somersaults actually, but loathe was a bit strong. I think Draisaitl is a McDavid merchant, but one that is like Jagr to Lemieux, Messier to Gretzky, Rantanen to MacKinnon.

Jagr led the NHL in scoring 5x - 4x without Lemieux in the league and once where he was clearly the better player by the time Mario came back in 2000-01.

I am very confident Draisatl will never win an Art Ross playing without McDavid.

 

[Mulletman]

Quite the winning analysis you've got there.

Are you arguing players are not out of touch? Remember that this is as knowledgeable as the average player is:

 

[FerrisRox]

Surprised the players didn't find a way to vote for Carey Price again.

This one isn't particularly egregious but one thing I've learned from years and years of seeing these polls is that the players themselves are far more guilty of doing reputation voting than any fan or writer.

Alternate take: You're totally clueless about what a good goaltender Carey Price was.

 

[Golden_Jet]

That's an interesting perspective. I get what you are saying, but I am not sure it makes sense for McDavid to be knocked for his physical gifts.

I'll use a golf example. It's like if a big, strong golfer hits his drives 330 vs a short, skinny kid who hits it 325. Is the small kid really the better driver? It is impressive that he hits it so far without the apparent physical gifts, but objectively, the ball didn't go as far.

Rory is 5’9” and 160lbs and crushes it.

 

[crowfish]

Rory is 5’10” and 160lbs and crushes it.

I am not sure you understood what I was getting at with the comparison

 

[Golden_Jet]

I am not sure you understood what I was getting at with the comparison

Maybe was a poor analogy then?

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

So being faster and more agile is a knock on his playmaking?

It shows Kucherov is a better playmaker. McDavid is better in other ways.

 

[landy]

Not an oilers fan, you have painted him like a bum, but you’ve called him a fake 2C, a merchant…… and whatever else.
Which is hilarious.

Playing 40% (more with pp) of your entire ice time not as a center is a "fake 2C". I think every single point in his career outside of what 20-30 total games worth had McDavid presence either directly being on the ice with him or getting the weaker matchups because McDavid took the big boys for him. Prove me wrong. You cant and until he does it on his own, its a talking point.

Jagr led the NHL in scoring 5x - 4x without Lemieux in the league and once where he was clearly the better player by the time Mario came back in 2000-01.

I am very confident Draisatl will never win an Art Ross playing without McDavid.

Exactly. Right now, Draisaitl is talked about as one of the greats. Jagr proved it without mario and Draisaitil will hopefully get his chance soon to do the same.

 

[crowfish]

Maybe was a poor analogy then?

It is a case of poor reading comprehension. I mean if you really read what I wrote and then responded with "But Rory is small and he hits it far" then I am not sure what to tell you. Maybe read it again within the context of the post I was replying to and see if anything I was saying was remotely implying that small people can't hit it far, which is what your reply to me implies that I was saying.

 

[BonMorrison]

Alternate take: You're totally clueless about what a good goaltender Carey Price was.

lmao Price was one of my favourite goalies, my guy. Doesn’t change the reality that players voting him for best goalie when he was past his best years and mostly injured was mainly reputation based.

But sure I guess I didn’t know how good he was!

 

[nowhereman]

Are you arguing players are not out of touch? Remember that this is as knowledgeable as the average player is:

The fact Jonathan Bernier has a kindergarten-level understanding of world politics doesn't mean that the average NHLer doesn't know the extent of Sidney Crosby's talent. Bergeron, Kopitar and Kesler have all had big minus seasons; it's more of an inditement of the team than it is their defensive ability.