Laval Rocket: 2024-25 Laval Rocket Thread

[Treb]

And was unfairly given the net after a Fowler shutout and a 2-0 record, and proceeded to save less than 90% of shots directed to him.

I'm well aware. I personally think Fowler should get the starts, but I do see the reasoning behind giving Primeau a fair shake.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'm well aware. I personally think Fowler should get the starts, but I do see the reasoning behind giving Primeau a fair shake.

I do too. When it's warranted. It hasn't been warranted either time and his performance both times were subpar. He shouldn't see another game until Fowler turns in a loss.

 

[windycity]

And was unfairly given the net after a Fowler shutout and a 2-0 record, and proceeded to save less than 90% of shots directed to him.

How is that unfair? He's the starter who got them to the playoffs. I'd argue it would be unfair to yank it from him. That said, he has to prove it and Fowler is starting the next one and if he looks good he should get the starts after

 

[WeThreeKings]

How is that unfair? He's the starter who got them to the playoffs. I'd argue it would be unfair to yank it from him. That said, he has to prove it and Fowler is starting the next one and if he looks good he should get the starts after

It's unfair to give someone the net after the other goalie records a shutout. Getting a goose egg is automatic license to keep rolling. They put Primeau in anyway and he lost. Fowler then came back in and got what should have been another shutout. Now it's back to Primeau, again, which is an unfair move since Fowler is now 3 and 0 and rocking a 1.00 GAA.

 

[Rapala]

How is that unfair? He's the starter who got them to the playoffs. I'd argue it would be unfair to yank it from him. That said, he has to prove it and Fowler is starting the next one and if he looks good he should get the starts after

I agree but arguments can be made either way.
Win tonight and starting on the road will look like a genius move no matter what.

 

[windycity]

It's unfair to give someone the net after the other goalie records a shutout. Getting a goose egg is automatic license to keep rolling. They put Primeau in anyway and he lost. Fowler then came back in and got what should have been another shutout. Now it's back to Primeau, again, which is an unfair move since Fowler is now 3 and 0 and rocking a 1.00 GAA.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I think vets deserve some deference, especially how well Primeau played down the stretch. It's also part of good team management imo. Plus we have no idea what Vincent told them or the team dynamic. I doubt Fowler thinks it's unfair.

 

[schwang26]

Any Simmoneau news?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Laval 5 Rochester 4.

So more goals in one game than Fowler has let in in 3. Wow, I'm owned. They totally didn't score their way out of Primeau failing to fight through traffic on goal 1, giving up a rebound and getting lost in traffic on goal 3, and a complete muffin on goal 4. Primeau DOMINATED.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

play Fowler god dammit hes better and clearly part of our future Primeau isnt and most probably traded this offseason

 

[Soaker]

Can't wait till they play at home as those other arenas have crappy camera work.

 

[Tyson]

play Fowler god dammit hes better and clearly part of our future Primeau isnt and most probably traded this offseason

If Fowler plays lights out tonight then he may start from here on out. Huge opportunity for him to show he is the real deal.

 

[WeThreeKings]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I think vets deserve some deference, especially how well Primeau played down the stretch. It's also part of good team management imo. Plus we have no idea what Vincent told them or the team dynamic. I doubt Fowler thinks it's unfair.

He's a goalie.. no goalie wants to come out of the net, especially after getting a shutout. Fowler's a professional so of course he isn't gonna kick and scream about it, but there's no doubt he didn't like not getting the net back after a shutout performance.. and there's no doubt he didn't like not getting to start game 1 of this series either.

Vets can get some deference, but when it makes sense to do so. As I mentioned several times, it's highly unlikely Fowler is going undefeated or going to have a game like Primeau's last start where he gets the win but doesn't play the best. Primeau would have gotten his shot to take the net back. There wasn't a reason to force it in the Cleveland series and there was even less reason to give him the game 1 start against Rochester.

Thankfully the team outscored his sub .900 goaltending.

 

[schwang26]

So more goals in one game than Fowler has let in in 3. Wow, I'm owned. They totally didn't score their way out of Primeau failing to fight through traffic on goal 1, giving up a rebound and getting lost in traffic on goal 3, and a complete muffin on goal 4. Primeau DOMINATED.

So I guess Rochester shouldn’t start Levi then? He had back to back shutouts and let in 5. So he must have cost them the game I guess.

Look. I don’t care who starts. I’ve already made a pretty good argument as to why there were 9 goals scored and that it wasn’t on the goaltending.

 

[WeThreeKings]

So I guess Rochester shouldn’t start Levi then? He had back to back shutouts and let in 5. So he must have cost them the game I guess.

Look. I don’t care who starts. I’ve already made a pretty good argument as to why there were 9 goals scored and that it wasn’t on the goaltending.

I missed the part where Levi wasn't available to the team, was replaced by another goaltender with high potential, who then went and won both his starts, including a shutout; then got the net back for no reason, had a sub .900 save percentage in a loss, sat the next game as the other goalie posted a "shutout" and won the series, only to get the net back AGAIN and go sub .900?

 

[BLONG7]

Can't wait till they play at home as those other arenas have crappy camera work.

I am still amazed they started both series on the road..........weird. I would have done 2-2-1 and started at home.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I missed the part where Levi wasn't available to the team, was replaced by another goaltender with high potential, who then went and won both his starts, including a shutout; then got the net back for no reason, had a sub .900 save percentage in a loss, sat the next game as the other goalie posted a "shutout" and won the series, only to get the net back AGAIN and go sub .900?

There was every reason for Primeau to get the net back. He never did anything to lose it. There is no rush to start Fowler. he will get plenty of action next season.

 

[le_sean]

There was every reason for Primeau to get the net back. He never did anything to lose it. There is no rush to start Fowler. he will get plenty of action next season.

How did he do nothing to lose it? He had the only loss and an .880 sv% in one game versus his counterpart who had all 3 wins and a .953 sv% in 3 games. It’s a best of 5, there really isn’t much room for error.

This isn’t Hellebuyck versus Comrie where one is the clear top goalie and leader of your team so you kind of have to put up with the warts. This would be like Oettinger being your "backup".

 

[LaP]

So I guess Rochester shouldn’t start Levi then? He had back to back shutouts and let in 5. So he must have cost them the game I guess.

Look. I don’t care who starts. I’ve already made a pretty good argument as to why there were 9 goals scored and that it wasn’t on the goaltending.

Rochester has a clear cut 2nd goalie who is not a prospect and Levi is the future of the org. Primeau is not in Montreal next season and the guy "behind" him is the future of the org. Also It's very clear by now that Primeau can't handle any kind of pressure.

 

[WeThreeKings]

There was every reason for Primeau to get the net back. He never did anything to lose it. There is no rush to start Fowler. he will get plenty of action next season.

Fowler, as a goalie of the future in the organization, did nothing to lose it when he was given an opportunity to start. He took the ball and ran with it. Why would you willingly take the ball out of his hands, after a shutout, as some sort of veteran deference system?

That made little sense.. but when he got the net back and put up an .880 and lost the game, then Fowler came in and won the series, what is the logic to give Primeau the net back?

He was given a chance, that he should have had to wait for, and squandered it. Going back to Primeau in game 1 was a mistake. Luckily they narrowly escaped it by scoring 5 against Levi. To do anything but give Fowler the net and let him run with it, outside of a poor performance, is now bordering on gross negligence.

Trying to equate Levi with the situation in Laval is not remotely the same.

 

[AHShadow]

Fowler, as a goalie of the future in the organization, did nothing to lose it when he was given an opportunity to start. He took the ball and ran with it. Why would you willingly take the ball out of his hands, after a shutout, as some sort of veteran deference system?

That made little sense.. but when he got the net back and put up an .880 and lost the game, then Fowler came in and won the series, what is the logic to give Primeau the net back?

He was given a chance, that he should have had to wait for, and squandered it. Going back to Primeau in game 1 was a mistake. Luckily they narrowly escaped it by scoring 5 against Levi. To do anything but give Fowler the net and let him run with it, outside of a poor performance, is now bordering on gross negligence.

Trying to equate Levi with the situation in Laval is not remotely the same.

If the roles are reversed and instead Fowler was in Primeau's position, we would all be saying how Vincent is the worst coach because he's letting Primeau play when Fowler has proven himself throughout the season.

To me this indicates that the main reason why we want Fowler to play is because he's part of the future and Primeau is not, which is a fair argument.

But that also means playing Primeau instead of Fowler because he's been the #1 goalie for his team since he got back down also makes sense.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It's unfair to give someone the net after the other goalie records a shutout. Getting a goose egg is automatic license to keep rolling. They put Primeau in anyway and he lost. Fowler then came back in and got what should have been another shutout. Now it's back to Primeau, again, which is an unfair move since Fowler is now 3 and 0 and rocking a 1.00 GAA.

This is ridiculous. if the Oilers had Fuhr and Skinner and Fuhr was sick and missed a game. Skinner, a useless sack, gets a shutout mostly because if his d. do you then go with that bum over Fuhr?

 

[EveryDay]

Imo the team doesn't have any controversy regarding the goaltending in Laval.

It's simple, they alternate after each game win or lose unless the team is on the brink of elimination.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If the roles are reversed and instead Fowler was in Primeau's position, we would all be saying how Vincent is the worst coach because he's letting Primeau play when Fowler has proven himself throughout the season.

To me this indicates that the main reason why we want Fowler to play is because he's part of the future and Primeau is not, which is a fair argument.

But that also means playing Primeau instead of Fowler because he's been the #1 goalie for his team since he got back down also makes sense.

The main reason we want Fowler to paly is because he's part of the future and he was given an opportunity and ran with it. I would have had 0 issues if Fowler wasn't playing all that well.

It'd be just as stupid as taking Mesar out of a linemate when Gignac comes off of injury while Mesar was putting up 2ppg in the playoffs.

This isn't Fowler coming in and winning games giving up 3 goals.. his numbers are top notch, he's effectively had two shut outs in a row.

 

[Nicko999]

I think Mesar will give it one more year max and then will head to Europe. No future for him in NA unless he wants to play in the ECHL.

 

[Wats]

Honestly, as much as I want Fowler to start. Primeau got them to this point with an incredible regular season. If he loses 2 in a row, sure put Fowler in. But he has a 21-2-2 record...a Calder cup run might get him some trade value. Plus doesn't give a message that there's favoritism in the organization. He earn this. He's only 25 years old and had a .910 sv% last season in NHL in 23 games. Hughes might be able to use him as a trade chip.