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2024 25 Kraken Roster Discussion
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It's even worse when you consider he's been getting more consistent PP time than most of those guys. FWIW it's normal practice to separate 5v5 scoring rates and PP scoring rates when doing this type of analysis.
At 5v5 Beniers is 2nd to last among forward regulars, narrowly ahead of Burakovsky. 1.46 P/60 is more of a 3rd liner caliber scoring rate. On the PP Beniers is dead last in scoring rate, at a "does not belong on the PP" caliber scoring rate.
I've never been a big Brock Boeser guy but from the looks of it his warts are getting priced in. There is reporting that no one offered a 1st round pick for him as a rental. His price in UFA might be much lower than I previously expected.
And what I keep hearing is that Boeser is very good at making things happen once he's in the offensive zone, and that he just needs a center who can get the puck in the zone for him, since Boeser is so slow. It sounds like Beniers and Boeser would be very complementary players. Again, this isn't a player you pay top dollar for, but we might be a better fit for him than anywhere else.
And what I keep hearing is that Boeser is very good at making things happen once he's in the offensive zone, and that he just needs a center who can get the puck in the zone for him, since Boeser is so slow. It sounds like Beniers and Boeser would be very complementary players. Again, this isn't a player you pay top dollar for, but we might be a better fit for him than anywhere else.
So the Roslovic vibe I've been getting from Beniers is not off the mark. Very worrying for the Kraken. This makes it that much more important that Berkly Catton hits. This team needs more high end picks even if nobody wants to hear about it. There isn't enough "team" there yet to paper it over/fix it with UFAs.
These comments make me wonder how mediocre the 2021 draft really was. Beniers was nearly just as likely to go 1st overall as Power. And yet I don't see another first round C that would have been a better choice.
So, his reality as we see it currently is "Two way C with some size. Average offensive potential".
This does not sound like a 1C to me, and certainly not a #2 overall pick. Despite other needs I think the team may need to take a hard look at Anton Frondell this draft if we miss the top-3.
Which is funny because my other team needs Frondell too.
So, his reality as we see it currently is "Two way C with some size. Average offensive potential".
This does not sound like a 1C to me, and certainly not a #2 overall pick. Despite other needs I think the team may need to take a hard look at Anton Frondell this draft if we miss the top-3.
Which is funny because my other team needs Frondell too.
He is young and still has time but the concerns are there. To say he is not living up to his contract is an understatement. Maybe next season they give Wright the tough minutes and shelter Beniers to see if they can get his offense going. Since it is pretty certain that they start Catton, maybe see how Beniers does with Catton at his wing as the 3C on the team. Use Wright and Cups and the top-2 C's to see if that helps.
I am interested in Frondell for sure. I think the draft field seems to evening up a bit off late. Outside of Hagens, Misa and Schaefer, it looks like the others all have their own warts.
Martone
McQueen
Frondell
Eklund
Desnoyers
Any of those guys could end up being better than Beniers. I feel like all of them have a higher ceiling offensively than Beniers, maybe with the exception of Desnoyers who maybe at the same level? Like you said, that 2021 draft has been looking worse and worse.
Maybe it is just frustration talking, but I'm at the point with Beniers that if the right trade came along, I wouldn't object. I'm not sure he is ever going to be more than a complimentary piece, and perhaps a non-critical one at that.
Boeser is very slow. Signing him would mean an identity crisis for a team that's focused on getting the puck up the ice with speed, especially under Bylsma.
My "Roslovic vibe" is a talented guy that is a drag on the team when he isn't scoring. Beniers is at least solid.
He won't be a 1C, but a 2C who can take tough defensive matchups isn't something I'm ruling out and there's value there.
Beniers went 2nd OA for certainty more so than upside, there was a lot of bust potential in the guys after him. Personally I'm glad my Jackets took KJ, it's working out, but a lot of folks wouldn't have been surprised if he didn't make it. And my personal favorite was Simon Edvinsson, I do wish the Kraken picked him, I think he's going to be a cornerstone #1D.
That switch might help get Beniers going, but I also like the value that Beniers can provide in giving Wright and others more offensive easier minutes.
Beniers has also had endless opportunity on the PP and with good forwards in offensive zone situations and it simply isn't his forte. He's played a lot of minutes in general - offensive and defensive - so unless he's tired from the defense (?) we can't say we haven't been giving him opportunity to score.
You can't have an identity crisis if you don't have an identity.
I think for the same reason you mentioned, a lot of clubs won't even bid on Boeser.
Same here. I think there are two types of options for a Beniers trade which makes sense to us. Either a 1:1 for an equivalent young player who is struggling to make a big impact or take the next step OR for someone in a bundle for a Pastarnak type player. 1st (not this years) + Beniers should give more than enough to start conversations.
That being said, I think it's too early to move on from Beniers.
