2024-25 Kraken Roster discussion

[Fuhrious]

Best acquisition in team history !

Enh I dunno, Bjorkstrand was a pretty good trade

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Enh I dunno, Bjorkstrand was a pretty good trade

I give Francis a lot of grief but he hasn't been a "bad" GM. Just mediocre. However, depending on how. this TDL and off-season go, my opinion can change drastically.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

You mean after Stephenson, ofcourse.

Cups dude
That's our boy...

 

[EXTRAS]

Sending kartye down on conditioning. Should give him 10 games in the minors and tell him to work on his offense. Get his confidence back there, then try again.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Sending kartye down on conditioning. Should give him 10 games in the minors and tell him to work on his offense. Get his confidence back there, then try again.

Couldn't hurt. Kartye has been disappointing this season. He could easily be replaced by Meyers, Stephens or other AHL players we have. Will get tougher for him next season if Nyman, Winterton, etc. are ready for the NHL jump.

 

[gstommylee]

Couldn't hurt. Kartye has been disappointing this season. He could easily be replaced by Meyers, Stephens or other AHL players we have. Will get tougher for him next season if Nyman, Winterton, etc. are ready for the NHL jump.

nyman shouldn't be playing in the nhl as a 4th line player though...

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

nyman shouldn't be playing in the nhl as a 4th line player though...

Nyman is the kind of player who could work in that role to start. Jumbo started as a 4th line player on the Bruins back in the day. Nyman has the size to make it work.

 

[kihei]

Sending kartye down on conditioning. Should give him 10 games in the minors and tell him to work on his offense. Get his confidence back there, then try again.

Every team has its Kartyes, cheap bottom six players that help teams cope with the salary cap. To paraphrase Ringo, he does not loom large in our legend.

 

[Fuhrious]

Sending kartye down on conditioning. Should give him 10 games in the minors and tell him to work on his offense. Get his confidence back there, then try again.

I’m not super sure there’s a deep reservoir of “offense” for him to tap into. His breakout season melded into the teams magical playoff run but may have been just as much of a flash in the pan?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I’m not super sure there’s a deep reservoir of “offense” for him to tap into. His breakout season melded into the teams magical playoff run but may have been just as much of a flash in the pan?

For sure. He is a cheap 4th liner but like @kihei said, almost every team has a few of those. Also, Stephens, Meyers, etc. can do the same job.

 

[EXTRAS]

Every team has its Kartyes, cheap bottom six players that help teams cope with the salary cap. To paraphrase Ringo, he does not loom large in our legend.

Maybe. He's young. Had a really offensively good rookie AHL season.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Let's all remember that Kartye was an undrafted guy who made it to the league within two years.

If a guy like that gives you 100+ games)which he nearly has) you've done a fantastic job.

And he could still become a solid bottom six guy for a few more seasons.

 

[The Marquis]

I’m sure most of us saw the Kartye move coming a mile away. It needed to happen. In fact, the club has needed to do this far more frequently with players it’s sitting.

 

[majormajor]

Well they said it, we're going into year five, and that was our original plan of when we wanted to be contending. So we're going to just blindly try and follow through with that, despite our original expansion core all now entering their 30s and the club looking less competitive?

Did they expect to contend in 2026 with a roster with like two players between the ages of 24 and 28?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Well they said it, we're going into year five, and that was our original plan of when we wanted to be contending. So we're going to just blindly try and follow through with that, despite our original expansion core all now entering their 30s and the club looking less competitive?

Did they expect to contend in 2026 with a roster with like two players between the ages of 24 and 28?

I understand that the plan may have changed once we made it to the playoffs in our 2nd year but if the idea was to truly contend right after then sticking with Francis was not the right decision. I have been lukewarm on Francis through his tenure here but I really am starting to hold the ownership/management group accountable for our current state.

 

[CLW]

I understand that the plan may have changed once we made it to the playoffs in our 2nd year but if the idea was to truly contend right after then sticking with Francis was not the right decision. I have been lukewarm on Francis through his tenure here but I really am starting to hold the ownership/management group accountable for our current state.

Marketing bs should be disregarded. Playoff success in year 2 should be seen as a bonus. If the Kraken truly wanted to contend immediately then they should have followed the Vegas plan, but they didn't. Maybe that's the fault of Francis, maybe it isn't. In my view it's not realistic since Vegas managed to build a much more solid foundation to start from (this has been thoroughly discussed). Like it or not reality is that the real Kraken core is growing into the game right now, and that core is far from complete. I'm not preaching to you guys, I'm just pointing out the discrepancy between the narrative from the club and what we see for ourselves.

 

[majormajor]

Marketing bs should be disregarded. Playoff success in year 2 should be seen as a bonus. If the Kraken truly wanted to contend immediately then they should have followed the Vegas plan, but they didn't. Maybe that's the fault of Francis, maybe it isn't. In my view it's not realistic since Vegas managed to build a much more solid foundation to start from (this has been thoroughly discussed). Like it or not reality is that the real Kraken core is growing into the game right now, and that core is far from complete. I'm not preaching to you guys, I'm just pointing out the discrepancy between the narrative from the club and what we see for ourselves.

There is indeed a discrepancy between reality and the PR from ownership. Our asset position looks more like a team that is rebuilding. But I'm not entirely sure that these owners aren't pushing us into making bad moves along the way.

 

[CLW]

There is indeed a discrepancy between reality and the PR from ownership. Our asset position looks more like a team that is rebuilding. But I'm not entirely sure that these owners aren't pushing us into making bad moves along the way.

That's my fear too. This TDL should be revealing. They do have a lot of opportunity for hockey trades if they chose. There is demand for the type of veterans the Kraken have beyond the obvious UFAs.