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2024-25 Kraken Roster discussion

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Bear of Bad News said:
I don't know that he's actively being shopped but I assume the team would consider offers. Are you interested?
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Well I'm not the gm so unfortunately we cant make a deal here lol but ya I think yzerman should look at someone with term. I'd prefer k'andre miller and hague but I dont think they're available atm

Oleksiak is 32 and has 1 more year but I wouldnt give up a 1st ... maybe a 2nd +cleveland or wallinder... I'd try to subtract gustafsson in the deal as wel but I dont think yzerman would
 
redwingsfannn9191 said:
Well I'm not the gm so unfortunately we cant make a deal here lol but ya I think yzerman should look at someone with term. I'd prefer k'andre miller and hague but I dont think they're available atm

Oleksiak is 32 and has 1 more year but I wouldnt give up a 1st ... maybe a 2nd +cleveland or wallinder... I'd try to subtract gustafsson in the deal as wel but I dont think yzerman would
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If we got a 2nd + for Oleksiak I'd take that and run.
 
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I messed around with the roster for next year and tried to land us a legit elite UFA forward. I was debating between Marner and Rantanen but just picked up Marner. I moved Bjorkstrand to make cap space. I trade Burakovsky with retention and a small sweetener. I also moved Tolvanen for cap reasons. Re-signed Kakko, Mahura and Evans.

 
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Fistfullofbeer said:
I messed around with the roster for next year and tried to land us a legit elite UFA forward. I was debating between Marner and Rantanen but just picked up Marner. I moved Bjorkstrand to make cap space. I trade Burakovsky with retention and a small sweetener. I also moved Tolvanen for cap reasons. Re-signed Kakko, Mahura and Evans.

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I'd rather not pick up anyone in UFA but I acknowledge management will probably try. But at least let it be Rantanen and not Marner. No way Marner helps this team do anything. Probably actively makes it worse.
 
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Fistfullofbeer said:
I messed around with the roster for next year and tried to land us a legit elite UFA forward. I was debating between Marner and Rantanen but just picked up Marner. I moved Bjorkstrand to make cap space. I trade Burakovsky with retention and a small sweetener. I also moved Tolvanen for cap reasons. Re-signed Kakko, Mahura and Evans.

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I imagine we could make some offers for both Marner and Rantanen and see what happens. You hope one bites but don't expect it. It's not like Seattle is deciding between them.

If we're adding someone the caliber of Marner (who helps immensely) I would not be sending out Bjorkstrand - who is still our most consistent solid top six caliber forward, even if he's often used to carry the nominal third line. I'm probably moving out Schwartz - who has been great lately but is liable to disappear completely - or Eberle if he waives.

I think your Eberle - Stephenson - Nyman line is probably where things fall apart. Your top six I like, that would be great to watch. Nyman I haven't followed closely but I wasn't enamored with his skills and skating. Tolvanen is good at what he does. And by the way, if you have $3m in cap space, then you can keep Tolvanen ($3.02m + the replacement player is more than Tolvanen's $3.475m).

Fistfullofbeer said:
Do you guys see Tolvananen as part of our future? He is decent 3rd liner but I don't see him become anything beyond that.
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That's probably where he fits, as a 3rd liner. But I'd turn it around and ask why he wouldn't be a part of our future?? We have no reason not to keep him. He's good at his role.
 
The Marquis said:
This doesn’t surprise me at all. He’s looked terrible most of this season. I can’t even put my finger on why, either, but it’s painfully obvious at times.
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I was thinking about this during the game, he just feels "slow" this season. Not just straight line speed, either, like he doesnt accelerate worth a damn and forecheckers seem to be eating his lunch because of it.
 
Larsson had a couple of weird shifts last night where Dunn was basically nailed to the ice to the left of Joey and Larsson was all over the place, playing like a rover. I remember thinking at the time "That's a funny thing for an experienced defenseman to be doing."
 
majormajor said:
I imagine we could make some offers for both Marner and Rantanen and see what happens. You hope one bites but don't expect it. It's not like Seattle is deciding between them.

If we're adding someone the caliber of Marner (who helps immensely) I would not be sending out Bjorkstrand - who is still our most consistent solid top six caliber forward, even if he's often used to carry the nominal third line. I'm probably moving out Schwartz - who has been great lately but is liable to disappear completely - or Eberle if he waives.
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I would prefer keeping Bjorkstrand but I get the feeling he just doesn't fit Bylsma's system that well. I am not attached to either Bjorkstrand or Schwartz so would be ok with moving either of them.
majormajor said:
I think your Eberle - Stephenson - Nyman line is probably where things fall apart. Your top six I like, that would be great to watch. Nyman I haven't followed closely but I wasn't enamored with his skills and skating. Tolvanen is good at what he does. And by the way, if you have $3m in cap space, then you can keep Tolvanen ($3.02m + the replacement player is more than Tolvanen's $3.475m).



That's probably where he fits, as a 3rd liner. But I'd turn it around and ask why he wouldn't be a part of our future?? We have no reason not to keep him. He's good at his role.
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That 3M in cap space was more of a cushion, in case we wanted to go for a more veteran backup G over Kokko. Also, Tolvy as a 3rd liner is fine, atleast through the next year. But what I am asking was if we saw him as someone who would be a part of the team 4-5 years from now. I can't predict the future but we do have a pretty decent pipeline of forwards who could fill in the 3rd line.

I don't expect us to compete next year. We could be potentially better but unless we make a trade for a guy like Rantanen or Marner, I dont think that much changes. 2026-27 is really what I am looking at right now. Potentially Catton + our first round pick this year (unlikely) could be NHL ready.
 
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Fistfullofbeer said:
Do you guys see Tolvananen as part of our future? He is decent 3rd liner but I don't see him become anything beyond that.
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I don't care too much.
Like you've said, he's a 3rd liner and you can find plenty of those.

I don't mind him staying but I also wouldn't be against trading him depending on the return.

CLW said:


Looks like it isn't only Borgen on D who struggles with the new open post-Hak system.
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Well, Larsson actually wasn't that great last year either and with the way our forwards are playing defensively it's no surprise he looks that bad.

Gotta hope he can turn it at least around a bit given that his four year(at $5.25 M) contract extension kicks in this summer.
 
Fistfullofbeer said:
I would prefer keeping Bjorkstrand but I get the feeling he just doesn't fit Bylsma's system that well.
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He definitely doesn't fit - he needs guys he can forecheck and cycle the puck with on the boards. My preference is to have him on a line that plays that way. Something like Tolvanen - Wright - Bjorkstrand, which IIRC was our best line in the Fall. If we're going to have him with Burakovsky and Stephenson (his current center) then we might as well trade him now.
 
Who would be you guys "untouchable"list?

Mine would be something like:
Beniers
Wright
Evans
D'Accord
Kakko(seems like he might work with Beniers)

Other than that it's just about the return we could get.
 
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