2024-25 General Dallas Stars Talk

[Frozen Failure]

I think they're falling into the "if you can't be good be fast" trap right now. They're playing way beyond their foot speed and they aren't big enough to play the mild interference game that every other team plays to beat us.

They get plenty of opportunities but they can't score on the power play. If they had scored a PP goal last night we'd have probably at least gotten a loser point, but they couldn't score on 3 PPs and 2 or 3 calls went uncalled.

Seattle got incredible value. That's exactly the type of move they should be making.

As for Panarin... he's like the opposite of a player who's going to take over a playoff game. He would vastly improve the regular season power play though

I'm really not sure if it's a system or player problem for the PP. The D men have contributed nothing and the regular top unit forwards have been incredibly marginal.

Can PDB resuscitate the PP with what he has? If he can't he should be dismissed if thats what it takes.

It's a lot of gnashing for still being 19-12-0, but I think they could seriously keep some games a little less despondent if they throw down some powerplay production.

 

[Troy McClure]

I'm really not sure if it's a system or player problem for the PP. The D men have contributed nothing and the regular top unit forwards have been incredibly marginal.

Can PDB resuscitate the PP with what he has? If he can't he should be dismissed if thats what it takes.

It's a lot of gnashing for still being 19-12-0, but I think they could seriously keep some games a little less despondent if they throw down some powerplay production.

I think it's a roster problem. The decline isn't only on the PP. These top guys are also down big 5v5, so I think it's some sort of player problem that isn't being solved by shuffling around the RWs every now and then.

Hintz the past four seasons was between 2.1 and 2.8 points/60 5v5. This season is 1.6.

Robertson is on his fourth consecutive season of declining points/60 5v5 numbers stepping down from 2.9 to 2.8 to 2.2 to now 1.8.

 

[Frozen Failure]

I mean, we could see the decline of Pavelski directly impact them last year, while this year, Robertson's had an injury and Hintz has always had something wrong.

There is something about having 3 guys on a line clicking, we saw it with Roberson-Hintz-Pavelski, we saw it for 20 games with Marchment-Duchene-Seguin, so now they need to go find two RWs to fix the scoring.

I still think Alex Tuch should be at the top of the list. I'd like Vilardi but I don't think he'd be available.

I don't think any of the youngins' have the chemistry.

 

[Frozen Failure]

Oh, and that's not a dig against the youngins. They are very talented hockey players who work real hard, but they don't have the it for either of those lines. They succeed with Jamie Benn because Jamie Benn does whatever the hell he needs to do to make a line work and that has been his calling card for years.

The real question at the end of the day is who is gonna bet the odd man out going forward.

I think Bork should get sent down for a few weeks.

And I think PDB needs to let Bichsel eat more minutes than he's currently playing.

 

[Troy McClure]

I don't think any of the youngins' have the chemistry.

This is why I wish they'd had one of the two rookie forwards up all of last season. Being a rookie in the NHL is hard, and the Stars now have three forward spots in the hands of rookies.

We saw Stankoven hit a wall last season after his early success, and the same thing is happening now. Bourque can't produce any offense. I wonder if we'd be seeing more from either one if they had more NHL time played already.

 

[Frozen Failure]

I think being tasked to play in this ticky tack unable to make two passes system does them no favors.

I think Back is doing ok because his task is to cycle and grind and he can do it all day.

Bork isn't here to cycle and grind, he's there to replace 988 games of 2nd overall NHL machine pedigree. Big shoes to fill.

Stanky has just as large of shoes to fill.

Necessary growing pains but it hurts more when the guys you expect to fly cover are playing at 70%.

 

[Smelling Salt]

Sign my petition to send Mavrik Petan to the AHL. Here is the link:

This will solve the scoring issues fo sho

 

[catters078]

Officially out of a playoff spot

 

[roryjones]

With all the issues in Vancouver (I realize the owners have issues with each other) how about a Robertson for Pettersson trade. Would have with their locker issues.

 

[MBTendy]

Officially out of a playoff spot

View attachment 949728

Definitely alarming but also no reason to panic when you factor in games played. I much rather this team hit a rough patch now appose to later in on during the season. There is plenty of time to fix the ship and if anything, hopefully their recent struggles will push Nill to make a move or two sooner rather than later.

 

[JeffP]

Add granlund and do a superbudget klingberd return
maybe you can convince sj to take cap/dumba for added high picks

I was all about D > F before we went completely dry
but weve brought in a decent looking rookie so put pucks on net, pucks in deep

...buuut also maybe thats pie-in-the-sky delusional

im not sure we look nearly decent enough to go all-in

but we have to do something while we can still right the ship/season

 

[Hockey Dad]

I have no interest in Granlund. He dissapears in the playoffs. The cost will be too high for that kind of player. The cap kinda sucks but I would rather have Kadri than Granlund.

 

[MBTendy]

Kreider healthy scratch

 

[Troy McClure]

Kreider healthy scratch

Probably because he deserves it.

 

[MBTendy]

It’s getting harder to stay the positive guy around here as the season moves along.

20-13-1 is still a decent record but you expect a lot more from this team, and it’s the way their losing. Very frustrating fashion.

I’m just hoping Nill see’s this and acts quick to add reinforcements. Give the team longer to gel with the new acquisition(s). I respect that he wanted to see what this team is like without Segs before placing him on LTIR, but enough is enough.

I believe they’re 7-8-1 in their last 16? I don’t doubt they’ll make playoffs, but they’re looking like a quick out right now.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Hello.

 

[piqued]

I'm actually more concerned about missing the playoffs than not doing well IN the playoffs. I think if they get in they'll be fine (as in they'll be competitive -- a non-functional powerplay is a fatal flaw that precludes a championship). The problem is this team has already moved into "the season doesn't matter" mentality without having won anything first.

 

[Troy McClure]

Something to watch. The league takes this stuff pretty seriously.

And the young guys forced to be there are in a tough spot. If they go to the PA to complain, they know it could cost them ice time.

 

[Satan]

Robertson-Hintz-Dadonov
Benn-Duchene-Johnston
Hryckowian-Steel-Blackwell
Bäck-Bourque-Stankoven

yikes!

 

[roryjones]

Unfortunately, Nill sometimes is too patient and I think this time it will hurt. Duchene and Marchment don’t look the same without Seguin. Robertson and hintz look a little bit better but clearly miss a guy like pavelski. The PP is complete trash and DeBoer will not change it.

I feel like we are about to get the dumb Nill statement of I like where we are at. Waiting till deadline to trade I think will be a mistake this year. They need a top line RW and a RHD. They need help and need it now.

 

[roryjones]

Robertson-Hintz-Dadonov
Benn-Duchene-Johnston
Hryckowian-Steel-Blackwell
Bäck-Bourque-Stankoven

yikes!

Any chance duchene can play wing with Hintz and Robertson? I would rather load up one line.

 

[MBTendy]

Just when you think it can’t get any worse

 

[Kcb12345]

Something to watch. The league takes this stuff pretty seriously.

And the young guys forced to be there are in a tough spot. If they go to the PA to complain, they know it could cost them ice time.

 

[piqued]

It's kind of poetic that their "fling point shots and hope for deflections" PP strategy has taken out their other forward actually playing well

 

[piqued]

Robertson-Hintz-Dadonov
Benn-Duchene-Johnston
Hryckowian-Steel-Blackwell
Bäck-Bourque-Stankoven

yikes!

PDB just constantly has the wrong instincts on what to do

The end is near