Speculation: 2024-25 - Free Agency/Trade Thread

[WhatTheDuck]

I’d love to add Cozens but idk that we have the pieces outside of mctavish, and I don’t think I’d do that.

Brady is prob the only name I’d put mctavish up for(in terms of realistically available).

A healthy zegras
A new coach
A legit nhl top 6 forward
And I think we could be close to playoff caliber

Still on board for trading gibson

Can I make an amendment? Not just a new coach - a good coach! Someone who has proven they can lead an NHL team to some level of success. Not a career assistant, not a second chance guy who failed elsewhere, and full apologies to all the great upcoming coaches out there who deserve a chance somewhere - I hope they get that chance on another team. We need a battle tested NHL head coach who has proven (recently) that he can get a team playing on the same page.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Can I make an amendment? Not just a new coach - a good coach! Someone who has proven they can lead an NHL team to some level of success. Not a career assistant, not a second chance guy who failed elsewhere, and full apologies to all the great upcoming coaches out there who deserve a chance somewhere - I hope they get that chance on another team. We need a battle tested NHL head coach who has proven (recently) that he can get a team playing on the same page.

Ya we don’t have the roster to mess with unestablished coaches

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Ya we don’t have the roster to mess with unestablished coaches

No more coaches who people around the league are happy to see get the job here, we want someone who people question why he'd want to be here

 

[Kalv]

No more coaches who people around the league are happy to see get the job here, we want someone who people question why he'd want to be here

Is there really any other candidate than Gallant, in that case?

I was thinking Hakstol, but the more I looked into it, his teams had problem scoring in Philly and Seattle. Sounds like no bueno.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Is there really any other candidate than Gallant, in that case?

I was thinking Hakstol, but the more I looked into it, his teams had problem scoring in Philly and Seattle. Sounds like no bueno.

Hmm no one that jumps to mind. The next time a Montgomery level coach gets fired (and doesn't have massive connections to another club who immediately hires them), we need to pounce.

 

[Hey234]

For those interested in trading some of the vets such as Gibson, Vatrano, etc..., Fowler playing well is good for the Ducks. It provides evidence that these players will improve in a different environment because of the current struggles with the team. A team like Carolina, for example, might feel better about Gibson. Fowler's strong play tonight continuing would probably raise the trade value of others on the team.

 

[Gliff]

Looking forward to Fowler returning to the #2/3 level he has been for his whole career.

Obviously it was a lose/lose for the Ducks. He obviously wasnt going to be that guy here anymore, but it will look like a bad trade if that happens.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Looking forward to Fowler returning to the #2/3 level he has been for his whole career.

Obviously it was a lose/lose for the Ducks. He obviously wasnt going to be that guy here anymore, but it will look like a bad trade if that happens.

Disagree….

His time here was done, we needed the roster spots for the youth…. Sometimes you have to let pieces that don’t fit the long term plan go and with his contract, we were never going to get great value on him. We prob got more value because he wanted out and would expand his teams he’d go to.

Wouldn’t call it a bad trade, it was a needed trade.

Montour trade was bad
Letting Theodore go for nothing was bad
Lindholm being moved with no plan behind it was bad.

Fowler being traded made sense my

 

[Gliff]

Disagree….

His time here was done, we needed the roster spots for the youth…. Sometimes you have to let pieces that don’t fit the long term plan go and with his contract, we were never going to get great value on him. We prob got more value because he wanted out and would expand his teams he’d go to.

Wouldn’t call it a bad trade, it was a needed trade.

Montour trade was bad
Letting Theodore go for nothing was bad
Lindholm being moved with no plan behind it was bad.

Fowler being traded made sense my

I think we are on the same page. I agree it was time for him to go for the reasons you say.

I still think it will look like a bad trade and people will use it as an example of a bad trade when/if Fowler returns to the #2/3 level I expect him to.

 

[Dryish]

Fowler is 33. Even if he returns to the level of play that he reached at his peak here for a while, it realistically won't stay there for much longer than a year or two. Regardless of our nostalgia for Cam, it's a realistic assessment of the situation to conclude that his departure is good for our D rotation if we want to allow our whole young D corps to mature into experienced Ds instead of just trading them away.

The trade might look bad in isolation, but once you bring the environmental values into consideration then it's hard to look at this and say "we did bad here".

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I think we are on the same page. I agree it was time for him to go for the reasons you say.

I still think it will look like a bad trade and people will use it as an example of a bad trade when/if Fowler returns to the #2/3 level I expect him to.

Oh I can definitely see a scenario where Fowler plays well enough for people to try and clown on the Ducks for this return, without understanding he was not going to play that well here

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think we are on the same page. I agree it was time for him to go for the reasons you say.

I still think it will look like a bad trade and people will use it as an example of a bad trade when/if Fowler returns to the #2/3 level I expect him to.

I mean I hope he does, but that was never going to happen in Anaheim under Cronin.

It’s irrelafent tho…. The trade was made because of a log jam

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Fowler is 33. Even if he returns to the level of play that he reached at his peak here for a while, it realistically won't stay there for much longer than a year or two. Regardless of our nostalgia for Cam, it's a realistic assessment of the situation to conclude that his departure is good for our D rotation if we want to allow our whole young D corps to mature into experienced Ds instead of just trading them away.

The trade might look bad in isolation, but once you bring the environmental values into consideration then it's hard to look at this and say "we did bad here".

PV justified the trade by saying the point was to balance the left-right pairs and get more ice time for Lacombe, Mintyukov and Zellweger, so on that basis its a good trade from a development perspective no matter what happens. Unless those guys don’t end up with more ice time.

As for how Cam does in St. Louis, I imagine he’s also going to look good no matter what. They have good veteran defensemen for him to play with there, they have a professional defensive system, plus PV said that every time he got a trade offer he’d take it to Cam to see if he’d waive. Not having your GM be constantly trying to shove you out the door is probably a relief.

 

[Dryish]

As for how Cam does in St. Louis, I imagine he’s also going to look good no matter what. They have good veteran defensemen for him to play with there, they have a professional defensive system, plus PV said that every time he got a trade offer he’d take it to Cam to see if he’d waive. Not having your GM be constantly trying to shove you out the door is probably a relief.

Not to mention that Cam already had another foot out the door from the start this year. Verbeek said that he and Cam had held discussions about it and that Cam was open to moving, which to me sounds like a veiled way of saying that Cam either wanted out or saw the writing on the wall and realized his time here was coming to a close regardless. Anybody would work with less intensity in a situation like that, especially if their workplace was among the lowest rated on their field.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Fowler is 33. Even if he returns to the level of play that he reached at his peak here for a while, it realistically won't stay there for much longer than a year or two. Regardless of our nostalgia for Cam, it's a realistic assessment of the situation to conclude that his departure is good for our D rotation if we want to allow our whole young D corps to mature into experienced Ds instead of just trading them away.

The trade might look bad in isolation, but once you bring the environmental values into consideration then it's hard to look at this and say "we did bad here".

Buddy, if you think more than 20% of people on this forum can even understand what you mean when you say “bring the environmental values into consideration” then I’ve got some beach front property in Arizona to sell ya mate !!!