2024-25 EPL Season

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Every time I think you’ve hit maximum obtuseness…

Your post *responding to me* is where you dragged the goalposts. “Responding to you” should maybe be your giveaway on that! It is not where things started!

“Spending a billion” and “Forest have been inconsistent” both have ZERO BEARING on “Chelsea have been pure trash” when “pure trash” Chelsea were (at time of posting) two points behind Arsenal.

When the contention is that “they have been pure trash” (see: your OP) and their “pure trash” is only two points behind Arsenal (see: my response), your conception of what Chelsea “should be” (see: your response) does not actually refute the point, which is that Chelsea’s “pure trash” is pretty damn close to where Arsenal are!

It might be too much to ask of you (of all posters here) to incorporate a modicum of logic into your posting, but yeesh.

I had a post and was about to hit reply but ended up deleting legit no point. It’s just half trolling and half dumb

 

[S E P H]

Every time I think you’ve hit maximum obtuseness…

Your post *responding to me* is where you dragged the goalposts. “Responding to you” should maybe be your giveaway on that! It is not where things started!

“Spending a billion” and “Forest have been inconsistent” both have ZERO BEARING on “Chelsea have been pure trash” when “pure trash” Chelsea were (at time of posting) two points behind Arsenal.

When the contention is that “they have been pure trash” (see: your OP) and their “pure trash” is only two points behind Arsenal (see: my response), your conception of what Chelsea “should be” (see: your response) does not actually refute the point, which is that Chelsea’s “pure trash” is pretty damn close to where Arsenal are!

It might be too much to ask of you (of all posters here) to incorporate a modicum of logic into your posting, but yeesh.

Just because I am not posting every single thought that I am currently thinking in my post doesn't mean my original meaning of my post is anything different from what I originally meant. It seems you, yourself, are having some problems with cues and organisation when it comes to the categorisation of what "pure trash" means.

- Is Chelsea pure trash for being two points away from Arsenal? Not really/kind of. I wrote kind of here simply because Arsenal have the most draws in the league after Everton, most in the top 6, and injury problems that rival the bubonic plague. Chelsea are not miracle workers for being two points behind Arsenal, who gave away three weeks of EPL games to focus on their CL match-up with PSG.

- Are they pure trash for barely being a CL-calibre team after all the money they have spent in the last four or so years? Absolutely.

 

[ahmedou]

AWB, West Ham player of the year!

 

[bluesfan94]

Saying this upfront, because I'm sure it'll be twisted. This means absolutely nothing and this isn't cope, it's just something I thought was fun.

After the result today, a lot of the conversation on Arsenal twitter is about how Liverpool will finish with fewer points than Arsenal did last season. While true, who cares?

What's more fun is that if Liverpool finishes the season with a 3-3 draw, they'll be level on points with Arsenal two seasons ago (22-23). That's not the fun part. The fun part is that those teams would also be level on GD. And goals scored. And, using this season's results, they have the same head-to-head record and the same head-to-head away goals scored. Which means that the title would be decided by a one game neutral ground playoff.

By the way, to head off any complaints, I used this season's head-to-head results rather than 22-23 because in 22-23, Arsenal took 4 points off of Liverpool and so would have won the title on that.

Again, this doesn't mean anything. Just a kinda fun thought.

 

[Jussi]

 

[Live in the Now]

Deluded

 

[Jussi]

Deluded

Somebody gave Ty the account password.

 

[Live in the Now]

We had 82 points last season. There is not a single person who would tell you last seasons team was even close to equal. These people’s logic could easily twist into them saying there’s been 50 English teams better than the invincibles. If you are stupid enough to believe that anyway.

 

[hatterson]

We had 82 points last season. There is not a single person who would tell you last seasons team was even close to equal. These people’s logic could easily twist into them saying there’s been 50 English teams better than the invincibles. If you are stupid enough to believe that anyway.

This years team also had 82 points with 4 weeks left and then has basically stopped showing up.

I think if Arsenal had kept up pressure on them longer, they would have easily got to 90+ this year.

 

[Brunkmeister]

And twisted it was. Can’t even bring up a fun fact without the most victimized fan base on earth going all out on defense.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

The bottom 6 (United, Spurs, West Ham, Ipswich, Leicester, Southampton) have collectively taken 2 wins from their last 30 matches.

And both of those wins were against Southampton.

Truly the most write-off of write-off years for West Ham. Which if you were going to pick a year to do it, would be this one where there’s no danger of going down.

Holy shit is the squad old and slow. Major re-tool coming and it will be a multi-year job.

AWB, West Ham player of the year!

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And it’s not even close. He was their most consistent player, even over Bowen. Good signing.

 

[ahmedou]

And it’s not even close. He was their most consistent player, even over Bowen. Good signing.

Who's better: AWB or Mazraoui

 

[bluesfan94]

And twisted it was. Can’t even bring up a fun fact without the most victimized fan base on earth going all out on defense.

I tried heading it off like five different ways and even said it doesn’t matter. It was just fun to think about the fact that it would have gone to a single game playoff for the title and thinking about how fun that would be. Clearly a certain fanbase feels a little insecure though.

 

[bluesfan94]

This years team also had 82 points with 4 weeks left and then has basically stopped showing up.

I think if Arsenal had kept up pressure on them longer, they would have easily got to 90+ this year.

100%. Which is exactly why I said who cares. It obviously means nothing, I just thought it would be fun to talk about the tiebreakers and how close it would be.

 

[bluesfan94]

We had 82 points last season. There is not a single person who would tell you last seasons team was even close to equal. These people’s logic could easily twist into them saying there’s been 50 English teams better than the invincibles. If you are stupid enough to believe that anyway.

Just to be clear, the logic you’re talking about is the Premier League tiebreaker system. I didn’t say a single thing comparing teams ability or level. You’ve read that in.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

My "this isn't cope and shouldn't get twisted" shirt is raising lots of questions which are answered directly by the shirt

 

[bluesfan94]

My "this isn't cope and shouldn't get twisted" shirt is raising lots of questions which are answered directly by the shirt

It was literally just a comment about how fun it would be to have a playoff for the title. Crazy thought, I know.

I guess it's okay when we look back at prior seasons' points required to be in a relegation battle, but when we talk about the top of the table, peoples' heads go wonky. And it was so easy to predict that I tried to head it off, but apparently that doesn't help either.

 

[Carlzner]

 

[Savant]

It was literally just a comment about how fun it would be to have a playoff for the title. Crazy thought, I know.

I guess it's okay when we look back at prior seasons' points required to be in a relegation battle, but when we talk about the top of the table, peoples' heads go wonky. And it was so easy to predict that I tried to head it off, but apparently that doesn't help either.

A playoff would not be fun. We have playoffs it’s called Champions League, FA Cup and League Cup.

The Premier League does not need to be anymore Americanized.

Also funny that no one talked about playoffs when man city win titles

 

[bluesfan94]

A playoff would not be fun. We have playoffs it’s called Champions League, FA Cup and League Cup.

The Premier League does not need to be anymore Americanized.

Also funny that no one talked about playoffs when man city win titles

It wouldn't be a playoff to Americanize the sport, it would be a one match winner-take-all neutral site game because the teams would be tied on points, goal differential, goals scored, head-to-head points, and head-to-head away goals, as mandated by the current rules of the EPL. I, for one, would rather the title then be determined by an actual match than, say, drawing lots, but to each their own.

The last line screams insecure, by the way

 

[Savant]

It wouldn't be a playoff to Americanize the sport, it would be a one match winner-take-all neutral site game because the teams would be tied on points, goal differential, goals scored, head-to-head points, and head-to-head away goals, as mandated by the current rules of the EPL. I, for one, would rather the title then be determined by an actual match than, say, drawing lots, but to each their own.

I have to apologize read too fast and assumed playoff in general. Yeah if every single tiebreaker is tied I have no problem with their being a one off.

The last line screams insecure, by the way

Just the truth. None of these talking points ever come up when Man City wins. Covid title gets allocated to the wrong season. Goal posts move. Etc.

This doesn’t look like an insecure fan base to me:



To me the insecure fanbase is the one doing the Arteta math

 

[Live in the Now]

Just to be clear, the logic you’re talking about is the Premier League tiebreaker system. I didn’t say a single thing comparing teams ability or level. You’ve read that in.

I wasn’t even talking to you. I was responding to that stupid tweet. I don’t know why you’re so interested in starting shit with me but it’s getting weird.

 

[Savant]

I wasn’t even talking to you. I was responding to that stupid tweet. I don’t know why you’re so interested in starting shit with me but it’s getting weird.

I think said tweet got deleted too, which makes this even funnier to me

 

[bluesfan94]

I wasn’t even talking to you. I was responding to that stupid tweet. I don’t know why you’re so interested in starting shit with me but it’s getting weird.

The tweet was deleted and the post was therefore blank, so I figured you were responding to the conversation about points in years past. My mistake. If you use the reply button, it might make your thoughts more clear, especially given that a personal attack devoid of substance is your standard response to everything I say.

Just the truth. None of these talking points ever come up when Man City wins. Covid title gets allocated to the wrong season. Goal posts move. Etc.

It really isn't that deep. It was more seeing silly Arsenal fans tweeting about Liverpool's point total vis-a-vis last year and then noticing that a draw would see Liverpool level with the Arsenal points total two years ago. I then noticed that the GD would be the same and the goals scored were close enough that a reasonable scoreline would see all the tiebreakers equal and a one match playoff.

Frankly, I've never mentioned that with City because when Arsenal finished second last year, City earned enough points that this conversation never happened amongst Arsenal fans. You're welcome to go back and see if it would have applied at other times.

It's funny you mention the COVID season. This season could be remarkably close to mimicking the 2020-21 season in terms of point totals. Liverpool could very well win with 86 points, second place could very well have 74 points, 3rd could have 69, and we could even conceivably see 4th place with 67 points, 5th with 66, and 6th with 65. Unlikely, to be sure, but it would be pretty fun.

 

[Savant]

It really isn't that deep. It was more seeing silly Arsenal fans tweeting about Liverpool's point total vis-a-vis last year and then noticing that a draw would see Liverpool level with the Arsenal points total two years ago. I then noticed that the GD would be the same and the goals scored were close enough that a reasonable scoreline would see all the tiebreakers equal and a one match playoff.

Right but of course that would also require a Time Machine to put the two against each other. But hey if there is a rare occurrence like that in the same season, do the one off.

Frankly, I've never mentioned that with City because when Arsenal finished second last year, City earned enough points that this conversation never happened amongst Arsenal fans. You're welcome to go back and see if it would have applied at other times.

Not exclusive to you. But I think there is more than enough evidence in the aether that the discourse when LFC win a title is starkly different than when City win one. I think what’s kind of being missed here is while City had more points, City also had to play all to play all 38 games at 100%. LFC hasn’t played a meaningful game since April, and have very obviously been using this time as a pre-preseason. If Slot cared about the final point total, he wouldn’t be letting everyone go on vacation. Slot is very secure with how this May has gone . The fans are very secure with how this May has gone. Nobody important cares.

It's funny you mention the COVID season. This season could be remarkably close to mimicking the 2020-21 season in terms of point totals. Liverpool could very well win with 86 points, second place could very well have 74 points, 3rd could have 69, and we could even conceivably see 4th place with 67 points, 5th with 66, and 6th with 65. Unlikely, to be sure, but it would be pretty fun.

And that was another season where the first place team clinched early and didn’t have to max out. Hopefully it will have saved some legs. Slot shut Alexis, who was probably the best midfielder in the league this season down because he didn’t want him taking anymore mileage. To me that’s better than inflating the point total, but maybe that’s just me