2024-25 EPL Season

Glazers have really done a number on this team. Financially leeching millions which has lead to the dept, shitty front office hires, refusal to sell the team outright, no real interest in the sporting side. :shakehead
I mean INEOS hasn't necessarily had the best start since taking over.
 
It was sort of the be expected when they had to build the whole thing from the ground up. But in many aspects, Glazers "set them up to fail" by mishandling the finances, making the team rebuild harder.
I mean the Glazers had no role in them completely botching one of their marquee executive hirings.
 
If Ashworth "hid" his prefence to a British manager in talks, that's on him. If not, that's on Berrada/Wilcox/Brailsford.
I mean... if Berrada/SJR hired him without knowing what Ashworths preferences were in team building were that's on them. Even then if Ashworth lied through the entire hiring process and then switched up once in office that's still pretty bad from the executives POV.
 
I mean... if Berrada/SJR hired him without knowing what Ashworths preferences were in team building were that's on them. Even then if Ashworth lied through the entire hiring process and then switched up once in office that's still pretty bad from the executives POV.
I think Brailsford was the only allowed to officially work back then so any blame for that would fall on him.
 
Ashworth is looking to be right in all of this. Amiron's system might be too drastic for United to play and buy to incorporate all the players. Hell, you lot need two world-class wing-backs at minimum (which will be around 80 to 100 million themselves), and there aren't really a bunch of highly touted ones out there on the market.

This bloke sucks lol. He was trying to penny pitch every single deal and made us miss on a few targets because he was scared to death of overpaying.
 
The one thing that they 100% need to do is stick with Amorim. Lets see if they do
I actually think they should Potter him. Make a break, citing the difficult circumstances but still unacceptable results, and pivot before you sink all that money into players for a system the next...hell, 5 managers almost surely won't be using.
 
I actually think they should Potter him. Make a break, citing the difficult circumstances but still unacceptable results, and pivot before you sink all that money into players for a system the next...hell, 5 managers almost surely won't be using.
If they sack him they are just restarting the cycle again. I think Amorim has a plan at least. You sack him it’s just another lost year starting from zero
 
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If they sack him they are just restarting the cycle again. I think Amorim has a plan at least. You sack him it’s just another lost year starting from zero
They haven't really even restarted the cycle with him. They are several windows from being able to acquire all the pieces they need, regardless of the system being employed. They should sink that money into just acquiring more universal upgrades that will work under any setup, not just targeting guys to fit Anorim's (who is very rigid with what he wants to do). They do the latter and that is going to be exactly the same cycle.
 
They haven't really even restarted the cycle with him. They are several windows from being able to acquire all the pieces they need, regardless of the system being employed. They should sink that money into just acquiring more universal upgrades that will work under any setup, not just targeting guys to fit Anorim's (who is very rigid with what he wants to do). They do the latter and that is going to be exactly the same cycle.
Honestly think Utd could use the rigidity right now
 
I actually think they should Potter him. Make a break, citing the difficult circumstances but still unacceptable results, and pivot before you sink all that money into players for a system the next...hell, 5 managers almost surely won't be using.
That'd be the worst thing they could do. They need to commit to the Amorim plan, because for all his potential warts there is a legit plan and system he's trying to implement. If he still has us in a relegation zone next year look to switch maybe. But the fix will be a long term one and we won't be decent for 3 years minimum I'd say.
 
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They haven't really even restarted the cycle with him. They are several windows from being able to acquire all the pieces they need, regardless of the system being employed. They should sink that money into just acquiring more universal upgrades that will work under any setup, not just targeting guys to fit Anorim's (who is very rigid with what he wants to do). They do the latter and that is going to be exactly the same cycle.
Isn't that essentially what we've been doing for the last decade?
 
That'd be the worst thing they could do. They need to commit to the Amorim plan, because for all his potential warts there is a legit plan and system he's trying to implement. If he still has us in a relegation zone next year look to switch maybe. But the fix will be a long term one and we won't be decent for 3 years minimum I'd say.
Just feels like it's the same mistake made with ETH--say they're not much better next season and then you are a couple hundred million invested in players for a 3-4-3 that aren't going to fit what the next guy wants to do.

If they are committed to going this route then it needs to be a real multi-year commitment and this should be the way they want to play whether that's Anorim or the guy that comes after (and choose that guy appropriately to fit what you have).
 
He's had a winter window with a single purchase and still hasn't had a training camp with these players. Seems kinda crazy to fire him before that.
As Amorim has said. He could play a 4-2-3-1 and get better results this season, but that doesn’t really do anything for the team long term based on how Amorim believes the game should be played.
 
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Just feels like it's the same mistake made with ETH--say they're not much better next season and then you are a couple hundred million invested in players for a 3-4-3 that aren't going to fit what the next guy wants to do.

If they are committed to going this route then it needs to be a real multi-year commitment and this should be the way they want to play whether that's Anorim or the guy that comes after (and choose that guy appropriately to fit what you have).
It should be a real multi year commitment regardless. Unless we’re in a relegation fight next year I guess, but I would imagine after a summer of additions and an actual training camp with the new system being a mid table team will probably be where we end up best year.
 
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The risk with Amorim is that if you make a big commitment to him, shipping out players that don't fit his system and bringing in players that do, and he doesn't work out, most coaches aren't going to be fits after he leaves and you're going to have to "start from scratch" again. Obviously some players can fit a 3-4-3 or a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2 or whatever, but some players are definitely more specialists.

That said, if it works, who cares? And you have to give Amorim enough time to make it work IMO.
 
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The risk with Amorim is that if you make a big commitment to him, shipping out players that don't fit his system and bringing in players that do, and he doesn't work out, most coaches aren't going to be fits after he leaves and you're going to have to "start from scratch" again. Obviously some players can fit a 3-4-3 or a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2 or whatever, but some players are definitely more specialists.

That said, if it works, who cares? And you have to give Amorim enough time to make it work IMO.
I mean you have to take a risk on a guy. Giving him a few months is Chelsea vibes. He needs a summer otherwise it was a stupid decision to bring him in, in the first place.
 
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United need to ship out players anyway. And if they want to play three at the back look at Serie A for central defenders (and not the Dorgu level, but better)
There's going to be turnover anyway with Lindelöf's and Eriksen's contracts running out. Evans likely won't get an extension. Heaven has proved that he can replace Lindelöf that eliminates one CB purchase need. Midfielder and more experienced CF. Höjlund's completely lost his confidence but I'd look at loaning him to Serie A since there's interest there apparently, before selling him (unless the offer is considerable).
 
The risk with Amorim is that if you make a big commitment to him, shipping out players that don't fit his system and bringing in players that do, and he doesn't work out, most coaches aren't going to be fits after he leaves and you're going to have to "start from scratch" again. Obviously some players can fit a 3-4-3 or a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2 or whatever, but some players are definitely more specialists.

That said, if it works, who cares? And you have to give Amorim enough time to make it work IMO.
I also feel like there’s more managers nowadays that play some form of a 3 back anyways. So potentially finding a manager that would fit a 3 back would be less difficult than it used to be.
 
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I mean you have to take a risk on a guy. Giving him a few months is Chelsea vibes. He needs a summer otherwise it was a stupid decision to bring him in, in the first place.
I agree, it's just easier to take that risk when it doesn't require a squad overhaul that, if unsuccessful, would like result in another squad overhaul.
 
There's going to be turnover anyway with Lindelöf's and Eriksen's contracts running out. Evans likely won't get an extension. Heaven has proved that he can replace Lindelöf that eliminates one CB purchase need. Midfielder and more experienced CF. Höjlund's completely lost his confidence but I'd look at loaning him to Serie A since there's interest there apparently, before selling him (unless the offer is considerable).
Counting on a youth player who's had a couple good games to fill a key role in the squad is a foolish idea that you'd think United would have learned a lesson from by now.
 
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