Prospect Info: 2024-25 Ducks Prospects

[Ducks DVM]

First off… I am in no way a Beckett hater…

But while He has a decent point production in the playoffs, from what I have seen he has not been a dominant factor. I expect him to be easily one of the best players on the ice, but I have not seen that. I don’t believe he is being consistently recognized as one on the “stars of the game either.

That doesn’t necessarily mean much. There are some guys you don’t notice a lot…until they produce. Brett Hull comes to mind. Then there are other guys who disappear entirely in the NHL.

Time will tell. All I watch are the occasional clips.

 

[tomd]

First off… I am in no way a Beckett hater…

But while He has a decent point production in the playoffs, from what I have seen he has not been a dominant factor. I expect him to be easily one of the best players on the ice, but I have not seen that. I don’t believe he is being consistently recognized as one on the “stars of the game either.

I think that's a fair observation. IMO he more or less continued the streak he was on at the end of last year but didn't elevate his game the way guys like Dickinson, Parekh, or Greentree did. Granted, those other guys were on better teams so that needs to be taken into account. But Sennecke did leave some room for doubters this year IMO...

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I think that's a fair observation. IMO he more or less continued the streak he was on at the end of last year but didn't elevate his game the way guys like Dickinson, Parekh, or Greentree did. Granted, those other guys were on better teams so that needs to be taken into account. But Sennecke did leave some room for doubters this year IMO...

Having a better team does improve productions with respect to Dickinson, Parekh, and Greentree. Dickinson's London Knights team is stacked! (Dickinson was one of the prospects I wanted last year.) Parekh has Misa and his 134 points. Greeentree's team got added talent in Protas (124 pts) and 20-year old Morneau.

When we look at all four players together as well as compare their D+1 to their D+0 seasons, I don't know why you don't think Sennecke didn't elevate his game this season like the others. I think anyone of the top-10 players would have greatly elevated their production if they were put on this year's London Knight's team!

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Last year, all we knew was Beckett had a hot second half and didn't know if that was a fluke or due to others helping to prop him up. Sennecke was Oshawa's leading scorer and goal scorer this season, when he was third last season. Thus, proving his 2nd half production wasn't a fluke or due to others propping him up. Beckett went on a rampage when team Canada spurned him into scoring 29 points (11g, 18a) in only 12 games. Beckett missed three games during the playoffs, but is still the best ppg scorer for the team.

There is considerable improvement between the two seasons and post-seasons across the board.

What is wild is that he grew another inch this season! He's at 6'4 now and we don't know if he is still growing taller. It seems like the moment his body and mind are in sync, such as the 2nd half of last season, then his body decides to keep on growing and his mind has to reacclimate to be in sync.

 

[tomd]

Having a better team does improve productions with respect to Dickinson, Parekh, and Greentree. Dickinson's London Knights team is stacked! (Dickinson was one of the prospects I wanted last year.) Parekh has Misa and his 134 points. Greeentree's team got added talent in Protas (124 pts) and 20-year old Morneau.

When we look at all four players together as well as compare their D+1 to their D+0 seasons, I don't know why you don't think Sennecke didn't elevate his game this season like the others. I think anyone of the top-10 players would have greatly elevated their production if they were put on this year's London Knight's team!

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Last year, all we knew was Beckett had a hot second half and didn't know if that was a fluke or due to others helping to prop him up. Sennecke was Oshawa's leading scorer and goal scorer this season, when he was third last season. Thus, proving his 2nd half production wasn't a fluke or due to others propping him up. Beckett went on a rampage when team Canada spurned him into scoring 29 points (11g, 18a) in only 12 games. Beckett missed three games during the playoffs, but is still the best ppg scorer for the team.

There is considerable improvement between the two seasons and post-seasons across the board.

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What is wild is that he grew another inch this season! He's at 6'4 now and we don't know if he is still growing taller. It seems like the moment his body and mind are in sync, such as the 2nd half of last season, then his body decides to keep on growing and his mind has to reacclimate to be in sync.

I said that Sennecke more or less (strike the less) continued the streak he was on at the end of last year. Your numbers tend to support that. There was improvement but not what I would have expected out of a 3OA pick. The other players I mentioned literally exploded in production. Being on better teams was part of it. Another example is Demidov who only went from the MHL to the KHL and only led his team in scoring. That's substantial improvement.

Both of us can be right. There was improvement. For me, it was less than I was expecting given his pedigree. For you, it was enough. So be it.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I said that Sennecke more or less (strike the less) continued the streak he was on at the end of last year. Your numbers tend to support that. There was improvement but not what I would have expected out of a 3OA pick. The other players I mentioned literally exploded in production. Being on better teams was part of it. Another example is Demidov who only went from the MHL to the KHL and only led his team in scoring. That's substantial improvement.

Both of us can be right. There was improvement. For me, it was less than I was expecting given his pedigree. For you, it was enough. So be it.

It's bullshit to tell others that Sennecke just "maintained" his streak, but then state "there was improvement, but not what I would have expected." Do you see how you moved the goal post as you contradicted yourself?

Only one of the four players you presented produced better than Sennecke between their D+0 and D+1 season as represented by the color scales for PPG and G/PG . That one player, Dickinson, is on a very stacked team. Greentree nor Parekh exploded better than Sennecke between their D+0 and D+1 seasons.

You were wrong with your initial premises. I won't comment with your "move the goal post" stance that you have higher expectations of a 3OA pick b/c that's your own particular opinion of set standards that cannot be applied equally for comparison. But I do question your instantaneous gratification on Sennecke with respect to Demidov when AGM Madden identified Beckett is a longer burn prospect. And Sennecke grew another inch this season.

 

[tomd]

It's bullshit to tell others that Sennecke just "maintained" his streak, but then state "there was improvement, but not what I would have expected." Do you see how you moved the goal post as you contradicted yourself?

Only one of the four players you presented produced better than Sennecke between their D+0 and D+1 season as represented by the color scales for PPG and G/PG . That one player, Dickinson, is on a very stacked team. Greentree nor Parekh exploded better than Sennecke between their D+0 and D+1 seasons.

You were wrong with your initial premises. I won't comment with your "move the goal post" stance that you have higher expectations of a 3OA pick b/c that's your own particular opinion of set standards that cannot be applied equally for comparison. But I do question your instantaneous gratification on Sennecke with respect to Demidov when AGM Madden identified Beckett is a longer burn prospect. And Sennecke grew another inch this season.

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One question and I'm done with this conversation...where did I use the word "maintain"? The poster I was replying to had what I thought was a valid observation...you disagree. Fine but I don't have the energy to pursue this with you.

 

[GunnarStahl]

It's bullshit to tell others that Sennecke just "maintained" his streak, but then state "there was improvement, but not what I would have expected." Do you see how you moved the goal post as you contradicted yourself?

Only one of the four players you presented produced better than Sennecke between their D+0 and D+1 season as represented by the color scales for PPG and G/PG . That one player, Dickinson, is on a very stacked team. Greentree nor Parekh exploded better than Sennecke between their D+0 and D+1 seasons.

You were wrong with your initial premises. I won't comment with your "move the goal post" stance that you have higher expectations of a 3OA pick b/c that's your own particular opinion of set standards that cannot be applied equally for comparison. But I do question your instantaneous gratification on Sennecke with respect to Demidov when AGM Madden identified Beckett is a longer burn prospect. And Sennecke grew another inch this season.

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One issue you have literally constantly is you interpret people clarifying there position or having a discrepancy in perception/interpretation as "moving the goal posts".

When his perception of improvement for Sennecke did not align with yours you become indignant and unable to have a functional discussion rather than take the information that @tomd provided to explain why he still has a hang up regarding Sennecke, and either understand the discrepancy in opinion between the two and move on or utilize the identified difference for further discussion.

For example you could say "ah, I see we have difference we have in our perceived expectations for improvement. Have a good day!" Or "Hmm, seems we have different expectations for what improvement looks like. Here's why I believe his season still represents noteworthy improvement"

Hope this helps.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

One issue you have literally constantly is you interpret people clarifying there position or having a discrepancy in perception/interpretation as "moving the goal posts".

When his perception of improvement for Sennecke did not align with yours you become indignant and unable to have a functional discussion rather than take the information that @tomd provided to explain why he still has a hang up regarding Sennecke, and either understand the discrepancy in opinion between the two and move on or utilize the identified difference for further discussion.

For example you could say "ah, I see we have difference we have in our perceived expectations for improvement. Have a good day!" Or "Hmm, seems we have different expectations for what improvement looks like. Here's why I believe his season still represents noteworthy improvement"

Hope this helps.

If the poster said, "Sennecke didn't perform like a 3OA pick", then there would be no way I could contest it b/c everyone has different biases. I intimated that in the post.

That's not what @tomd presented.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Blais had two assists in last night's game one win

 

[zegrassyknoll]

First off… I am in no way a Beckett hater…

But while He has a decent point production in the playoffs, from what I have seen he has not been a dominant factor. I expect him to be easily one of the best players on the ice, but I have not seen that. I don’t believe he is being consistently recognized as one on the “stars of the game either.

He also had an injury and might not be 100%

 

[nbducksfan19]

He also had an injury and might not be 100%

Totally possible.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

I haven't broken down the numbers but I feel like aside from his ferocious response to being left off the national team, Sennecke's season was just pretty good and not all that special.

 

[All Mighty]

I haven't broken down the numbers but I feel like aside from his ferocious response to being left off the national team, Sennecke's season was just pretty good and not all that special.

I agree with this. Whenever I see highlights, he clearly has a ton of skill, but I just feel like he looks awkward and off balance quite a bit. Obviously that’s because the guy is a beanpole and needs to fill out his frame. Hopefully he can make some headway in that regard this offseason, but it will take a couple more years to build that base.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

How long did it take string bean 6'3 Perry to reach the NHL ? 2005-06. Only comparing them on being 6'3 and skinny in their draft year as well as Perry having a strong 2nd half in OHL in draft year. Sennecke however grew another inch and is 6'4 after being drafted unlike perry. So he's had to adjust to another growth spurt ?

I'd argue he has more skill than Perry at OHL level because his shot is elite and his skating. Perry had an accurate shot but it wasn't super fast, didn't have skating at all but was sneaky slipping thru defenders.

 

[AngelDuck]

I’m a bit concerned. Not about him being a bust or anything, but about him not being worth a top 3 pick. I was hoping for 90-110 points out of him in Juniors this year and he came up slightly shy of that.

It’ll be interesting to see how his game translates

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I agree with this. Whenever I see highlights, he clearly has a ton of skill, but I just feel like he looks awkward and off balance quite a bit. Obviously that’s because the guy is a beanpole and needs to fill out his frame. Hopefully he can make some headway in that regard this offseason, but it will take a couple more years to build that base.

For the past three seasons, Sennecke went from 5'10 to 6'4. It took Sennecke halfway through his D+0 season to finally connect his brain to his growing body. 2024 CSB Final Ranking's height measurement of Sennecke was 6'2.25", but a Yahoo article listed him at 6'2.75". Sennecke grew another inch this year, making him 6'4, and maybe still growing taller. Part of the problem with growing taller is that he isn't gaining weight, as the article clipping below shares. Those issues in his D+0 season could be the same factors why he still looks a bit awkward and off balance.

My wants from Sennecke this season was to prove last year's 2nd half wasn't a fluke and that he score 30 goals. His numbers did improve from last regular season, but he's nowhere near Misa level of 64g and 134 points. Sennecke is still in the playoffs and he's improved his playoff production as well.

Madden set the frame when the Ducks drafted Sennecke that Sennecke is still far away physically from other players, but by the time he hits the NHL, then that is where he'll make his mark. Once he stops growing taller and starts filling out, then he could become a different player. Until then, he is gonna resemble an air dancer at a car dealership.

 

[Hey234]

I’m a bit concerned. Not about him being a bust or anything, but about him not being worth a top 3 pick. I was hoping for 90-110 points out of him in Juniors this year and he came up slightly shy of that.

It’ll be interesting to see how his game translates

He was injured to start the season and playing those games would add to his total. IMO, he has been too good for junior all season, and it's hard to see the other parts of his game when he's not challenged in a meaningful way. I also think he keeps growing and that's hard to adjust to especially when trying to add muscle.

My guess is that next season, he'll be here in Anaheim playing occasionally but mostly training. Then, he'll do a conditioning stint, play at World's, etc... similar to what other top prospects have done in the past. That time will be focused on adding mass and strength to either play in the AHL or NHL the following season.

 

[AngelDuck]

He was injured to start the season and playing those games would add to his total. IMO, he has been too good for junior all season, and it's hard to see the other parts of his game when he's not challenged in a meaningful way. I also think he keeps growing and that's hard to adjust to especially when trying to add muscle.

My guess is that next season, he'll be here in Anaheim playing occasionally but mostly training. Then, he'll do a conditioning stint, play at World's, etc... similar to what other top prospects have done in the past. That time will be focused on adding mass and strength to either play in the AHL or NHL the following season.

Well, we completely disagree on the bolded. Agree to disagree but Sennecke is no where near too good for junior this year.

Too good for junior is skating circles around people and scoring around 2 points per game. He’s no where near that. He’s 15th in scoring. That’s a very good player at that level but it’s not dominant

He might be next year. We’ll see.

 

[Static]

The junior stuff means less and less to me every year. We have seen players score a ridiculous amount of points and be mediocre pros, and we have seen mediocre junior producers become great NHL players.

Sennecke was drafted as a project, and whether he led the OHL in scoring or produced similarly to his draft year, that wouldn't have changed. It was always about what he would be five years from draft night.

 

[AngelDuck]

The junior stuff means less and less to me every year. We have seen players score a ridiculous amount of points and be mediocre pros, and we have seen mediocre junior producers become great NHL players.

Sennecke was drafted as a project, and whether he led the OHL in scoring or produced similarly to his draft year, that wouldn't have changed. It was always about what he would be five years from draft night.

I agree with this. I just don’t think he’s “too good for juniors”. As if it’s harming him to be there.

Ultimately it’s going to depend on how he can translate his game to the next level of course

 

[Static]

Right on cue, sennecke opens the scoring today.

 

[Static]

He has so much potential.

 

[Static]

 

[tomd]

He must be reading the board.

 

[GunnarStahl]

Alright @Hockey Duckie I have an Excel sheet request. Recent top 5 pick forwards who returned to the CHL for their D+1, maybe from now till 2010. I have a list of names for you already.

Ryan Johansen
Nino Neiderreiter
Jonathon Huberdeau
Ryan Strome
Alex Galchenyuk
Jonathon Drouin
Sam Reinhart
Leon Draisaitl
Sam Bennett
Michael Dal Colle
Dylan Strome
Mitch Marner
Pierre-Luc Dubois
Barrett Hayton
Mason McTavish
Shane Wright
Beckett Sennecke

The four main data points I would like to see compared are

1. D+1 production, by a per game basis
2. NHL success and production
3. Quality of CHL team in D+1 year
4. Height and size

I understand that is a lot so feel free to trim down the leg work on you end however you see fit, but just scrolling through EP I became quite jaded on the importance of production at the very least in D+1. Many mega producers have t been so in the NHL and some really underwhelming producers turned out was my main takeaway, not much rhyme or reason from a glance.

Also feel free to not perform the request of course lol.