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Prospect Info: 2024 25 Devils DRAFT Thread

funny to see how many lists have all those big name D (+hensler) starting to mush around 10 or so. just feels right i suppose, better F swings at the top top end. nice list, not terribly far removed from my own right now. think martin is the only major discrepancy, who i have in that bear+eklund range. agree with dropping mcqueen out of top 12 discussion as well
Martin was my 13. I might take another deep dive, I liked what I've seen from him.

I'd say the biggest "shocks" on my list are Bear at 6 and Martone at 10, the rest is pretty par for the course. But Bear has the #1 compete level in the entire 2025 class, and you know how I feel about that. The kid is ferocious. What is really undersold with him is his scoring talent, however. I think we're talking about a kid whose downside is one of the best middle-6 Fs in the NHL, and I think he has first line scoring upside. He's just can't-miss to me, through and through.

As for Martone, I think I've said my piece. Upside is huge, no doubt, but the risk is higher than most people are stating. A lot has to change/improve for him to even crack the NHL, and that's not what I'm looking for in a top 10 pick. He's really the player who I believe has spurred the most delusion on draft day in years. He has slightly less in common with Matt Tkachuk than Jesper Bratt.
 
If all things are considered relatively equal and we don’t draft a center with one of our two 2nd round picks, Fitzgerald needs to go.

@StevenToddIves What players would you like to see us target with those selections?
I'm going to do a deeper dive on this later, but I'm short on time today because I'm doing an author event in Asbury Park and am heading down there in a few minutes.

I can say now I really like a couple US Development kids in Jack Murtagh and Cole McKinney. Both are under the radar and lack high end upside, but both have strong bottom 6 upside and the Devils need some center depth. They both are smart and competitive with strong skating, which to me are the three most vital tools I look for in draft prospects.
 
I like Frondell, who reminds me in many ways of a player I really like in Lundell, but with more offensive upside. If I had to rank now:

1 Schaefer
2 Hagens
3 Misa
4 Desnoyers
5 Frondell
6 Bear
7 Eklund
8 Aitcheson
9 Smith
10 Martone
11 Mrtka
12 O'Brien

How likely is it Frondell makes it to the second half of the second round? Asking for Fitz.
 
Do we have any ideas on NJDHFB Scout recommended swings for our 2nd round selections?
harder than normal draft to gauge player ranges so some of these might go round 1, some might go late round, but in terms of a couple realistic-ish targets id like...

Eriksen, Hillstrom, Lewandowski, McKinney, Nilson, Paupanekis, Ryabkin (if we get really lucky with him falling)

those are all centers or center potential players. tom needs to draft centers. if for whatever reason he refuses to again, the likes of Cihar, Lee, Nestrasil, etc. would all be interesting skill bets down the wing

when i do a bigger list of targets ill include some bigger discussions on style/fit/timeline/etc.
 
harder than normal draft to gauge player ranges so some of these might go round 1, some might go late round, but in terms of a couple realistic-ish targets id like...

Eriksen, Hillstrom, Lewandowski, McKinney, Nilson, Paupanekis, Ryabkin (if we get really lucky with him falling)

those are all centers or center potential players. tom needs to draft centers. if for whatever reason he refuses to again, the likes of Cihar, Lee, Nestrasil, etc. would all be interesting skill bets down the wing

when i do a bigger list of targets ill include some bigger discussions on style/fit/timeline/etc.
Big fan of your work in our little Devils community. I always look forward to your posts. Thank you, good sir!!

Wheeler says Ryabkin has attitude problems on and off the ice. Seems like the kid has some talent though as a playmaker that has good physicality. With the “Russian factor” included, maybe this kid could fall. Would this be a swing for the fences type pick worth taking? I’m not opposed to it but would prefer to do so in later rounds. It would be a shame to come out of this with yet another total bust pick (Holtz, Stillman, etc).
 
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I'm going to do a deeper dive on this later, but I'm short on time today because I'm doing an author event in Asbury Park and am heading down there in a few minutes.

I can say now I really like a couple US Development kids in Jack Murtagh and Cole McKinney. Both are under the radar and lack high end upside, but both have strong bottom 6 upside and the Devils need some center depth. They both are smart and competitive with strong skating, which to me are the three most vital tools I look for in draft prospects.
I really like what I’m reading about Murtagh and see mocks that have him as a late first round selection. Love me some high motor players. Sounds like he could profile as a 3C at the next level. I’m not opposed at all to trading our 2nd second round pick (that felt weird to type) to move up if we have targeted a player. Granted, this doesn’t seem like the draft to do it and Fitzgerald has shown a propensity to be extremely passive at the table. I don’t think he has traded up once and he’s actually over drafted players rather than moving down to accrue more assets. I have little faith in him or our scouts as this point.
 
Big fan of your work in our little Devils community. I always look forward to your posts. Thank you, good sir!!

Wheeler says Ryabkin has attitude problems on and off the ice. Seems like the kid is flush with talent though. With the “Russian factor” included, maybe this kid could fall. Would this be a swing for the fences type pick worth taking? I’m not opposed to it but would prefer to do so in later rounds.
just calling it attitude problems is probably generous lol we're talking poor attitude, poor discipline, poor body language, poor mhl performance, engagement issues, conditioning issues, entitlement issues, just a mess of problems. i dont fault anyone for not wanting to touch him with a 10ft pole because theyre probably right, hes a walking red flag

but

the depth of this class doesnt have a ton of talent and we're unlikely to find anything even close to the potential he can offer at pick 50 (especially not with a tom led draft lol). on top of that, the forward side of our farm is about to vaporize with gritsyuk hitting the nhl and lenni now moving to the ahl. we need talent, we need centers, and we need players who can slot in behind jack/nico and play up if needed. this is the type of pick a team in our position should make. top of the class playmaking/vision, sublime handling ability, a smooth albeit not high paced skater, and a surprisingly good forechecking game (when he wants to play it lol). hes also got a bit of psycho in him, he can be outright dirty

obviously huge blowup potential with picking him, its not that i dont get it, i just still think we should take the risk. i would hope sarge could be a sort of safety net that other teams might not be able to offer him, i would hope having played with silayev before could be a positive influence as well. and i mean, for all the concerns about him, he still produced at a high rate in the ushl this year and hes been a force on muskegons playoff run. something is very much there, its just hidden behind a LOT of bs
 
just calling it attitude problems is probably generous lol we're talking poor attitude, poor discipline, poor body language, poor mhl performance, engagement issues, conditioning issues, entitlement issues, just a mess of problems. i dont fault anyone for not wanting to touch him with a 10ft pole because theyre probably right, hes a walking red flag

but

the depth of this class doesnt have a ton of talent and we're unlikely to find anything even close to the potential he can offer at pick 50 (especially not with a tom led draft lol). on top of that, the forward side of our farm is about to vaporize with gritsyuk hitting the nhl and lenni now moving to the ahl. we need talent, we need centers, and we need players who can slot in behind jack/nico and play up if needed. this is the type of pick a team in our position should make. top of the class playmaking/vision, sublime handling ability, a smooth albeit not high paced skater, and a surprisingly good forechecking game (when he wants to play it lol). hes also got a bit of psycho in him, he can be outright dirty

obviously huge blowup potential with picking him, its not that i dont get it, i just still think we should take the risk. i would hope sarge could be a sort of safety net that other teams might not be able to offer him, i would hope having played with silayev before could be a positive influence as well. and i mean, for all the concerns about him, he still produced at a high rate in the ushl this year and hes been a force on muskegons playoff run. something is very much there, its just hidden behind a LOT of bs
Great insights as always. I actually wonder if having Silayev in our pipeline negatively affects the chances we draft Ryabkin. I can see Fitzgerald not wanting this kid around Silayev, Grits and eventually Yegorov. Would he want to risk causing toxicity amongst the Russian contingent? Food for thought.
 
just calling it attitude problems is probably generous lol we're talking poor attitude, poor discipline, poor body language, poor mhl performance, engagement issues, conditioning issues, entitlement issues, just a mess of problems. i dont fault anyone for not wanting to touch him with a 10ft pole because theyre probably right, hes a walking red flag

but

the depth of this class doesnt have a ton of talent and we're unlikely to find anything even close to the potential he can offer at pick 50 (especially not with a tom led draft lol). on top of that, the forward side of our farm is about to vaporize with gritsyuk hitting the nhl and lenni now moving to the ahl. we need talent, we need centers, and we need players who can slot in behind jack/nico and play up if needed. this is the type of pick a team in our position should make. top of the class playmaking/vision, sublime handling ability, a smooth albeit not high paced skater, and a surprisingly good forechecking game (when he wants to play it lol). hes also got a bit of psycho in him, he can be outright dirty

obviously huge blowup potential with picking him, its not that i dont get it, i just still think we should take the risk. i would hope sarge could be a sort of safety net that other teams might not be able to offer him, i would hope having played with silayev before could be a positive influence as well. and i mean, for all the concerns about him, he still produced at a high rate in the ushl this year and hes been a force on muskegons playoff run. something is very much there, its just hidden behind a LOT of bs
How much of these negatives have been apparent since he came over to the USHL?
 
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Great insights as always. I actually wonder if having Silayev in our pipeline negatively affects the chances we draft Ryabkin. I can see Fitzgerald not wanting this kid around Silayev, Grits and eventually Yegorov. Would he want to risk causing toxicity amongst the Russian contingent? Food for thought.
ya im just spitballing, very much could influence the other way. for what its worth, he did come to NA in an attempt to save his draft stock, so at least in that regard i dont think thered be concern with respect to the russian group specifically. but very much understood not wanting that influence around in any capacity. regardless, we're probably putting more thought into this than tom would anyway lol "out of muskegon? whats he doing there, i thought he was in russia?"
How much of these negatives have been apparent since he came over to the USHL?
i havent heard as much about the off ice side of things since coming over (one way or the other) but he can still switch off, hes still super reckless/prone to bad hits/suspensions, and hes definitely not in shape
 
Big fan of your work in our little Devils community. I always look forward to your posts. Thank you, good sir!!

Wheeler says Ryabkin has attitude problems on and off the ice. Seems like the kid has some talent though as a playmaker that has good physicality. With the “Russian factor” included, maybe this kid could fall. Would this be a swing for the fences type pick worth taking? I’m not opposed to it but would prefer to do so in later rounds. It would be a shame to come out of this with yet another total bust pick (Holtz, Stillman, etc).
Agreed that @evnted is an absolute gift for the Devils draft threads.

As for the Holtz pick, I'm still sore that we took him over the players I (loudly) preferred (Rossi or Jarvis) with the pick. Really, really sore.
 
I'm hoping for a course correction here.

Watching guys like Luostorainen / Lundell, Jarvis / Stankoven, Knies, Johnston, Perfetti, etc. contribute in major ways while he tapped out on Holtz and Stillman...Hope Fitz got the message.
We don't really draft for upside anymore. Maybe in the first round. But after that it seems like our M.O. is "a goalie, then give every scout a guy".
 
We don't really draft for upside anymore. Maybe in the first round. But after that it seems like our M.O. is "a goalie, then give every scout a guy".

We go by passion lol.

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I wanted to put this up again because there's been some question about who the #1 overall pick should be and, much like in the Jack Hughes Draft, I think Schaefer is at least a full tier ahead of the pack. I'm really interested to know what @Guadana and @evnted and some other of you folks think, but I'm all in on Schaefer. I'm still a bit conflicted on who is #2 overall -- Misa and Hagens are both outstanding prospects who combine several elite qualities with a few smaller, nagging questions. Schaefer has no questions -- the kid is a potential franchise defenseman and Norris Trophy candidate.

2025 Draft Profile:

LD Matthew Schaefer, Erie OHL

If an amateur hockey player had nothing else whatsoever in his game and skillset except an ability to both skate and think at a far faster pace than the opposition, they would still be a very good bet to make the NHL. With Matthew Schaefer, you have a player at the highest levels of elite skating and elite thinking, to such an almost absurd degree that it often seems like the rest of the game is moving in slow motion around him. But almost impossibly, this combination is simply the tip of the iceberg. Because Matthew Schaefer is a player who excels at virtually every area of the game -- with the puck and without, offense and defense, 5x5 or power play or penalty kill, if we can imagine it he can do it.

Breaking him down is easy, because Schaefer is just such a good hockey player the only challenge becomes which superlative to use for which aspect of his game. The first thing we notice is his elite skating -- he's got that Makar/Hughes ability to seem like he's almost floating above the ice combined with an insane agility and edge work which allows him to explode in any direction in any instant. This speed is only matched by his lightning-fast ability to read a play and react to it accordingly. His high-end anticipation gives him a head-start to wherever the puck or play will be, and the last thing this rocket-quick kid needs is a head start. Opponents always seem on their heels whenever he's on the ice, ready to turn tail and play defense and often intimidated into losing all aggressiveness seemingly by his presence alone.

We saw this in the WJC -- with Schaefer on the ice, Canada was simply a completely different team than without him -- more confident, aggressive and precise, knowing how impossible it was for teenagers to beat Schaefer on either end of the ice. Similarly, we saw it with the competition -- when Schaefer's injury forced him out of the Latvia loss, the entire Latvia gameplan shifted to a more intense forecheck and greater chance-taking.

Schaefer's puck skills are high end, but short of elite. He's a terrific passer with great on-ice vision, which combined with his elite smarts makes him the Erie quarterback every time he's on the ice. His hands are very good, not quite as quick or deft as his feet, but soft and skilled enough to keep up. He doesn't have the litany of moves and dekes like a prime-era Patrick Kane, but he has enough tricks in his bag to get a defender off-balance in order to shift gears and use his explosive skating to blow past them. Schaefer's shot is probably is most pedestrian trait -- it's good enough to cause damage from either a quick wrister or full wind-up, but it's not exactly scaring anyone on its own. Most of Schaefer's goals are from skating faster than a goaltender can adjust and then using his hands to hit the holes he creates with his feet.

Maybe the most impressive aspect of his overall game is the fact that although Schaefer sounds like a prototypical all-offense defenseman, he's quite the opposite. Schaefer's potential is the rare NHL franchise defenseman who is the team's best offensive and defensive defenseman. His reads and positioning are top-notch, and even in the rare instance when a bad bounce or teammate turnover catches him out of position, Schaefer can seamlessly adjust and quickly close gaps which moments before seemed untenable. He's a high-compete guy who routinely wins puck battles and, at 6'2-185, he's also extremely athletic and physically strong. Schaefer is not afraid to throw hits, maybe not as an intimidation tactic, but he can certainly separate an opposing forward from the puck with no shortage of aggression and audacity. You can't dump the puck in on him because he'll beat you to it, you can't carry in because he'll read it and close the gap, and you can't beat him one-on-one.

I'm not sure what else to say, Matthew Schaefer is absolutely the blue chip defenseman of the 2025 NHL Draft, and quite likely the top overall pick. Any team would be over the moon to get this high-end, two-way speed demon.
 
I wanted to put this up again because there's been some question about who the #1 overall pick should be and, much like in the Jack Hughes Draft, I think Schaefer is at least a full tier ahead of the pack. I'm really interested to know what @Guadana and @evnted and some other of you folks think, but I'm all in on Schaefer. I'm still a bit conflicted on who is #2 overall -- Misa and Hagens are both outstanding prospects who combine several elite qualities with a few smaller, nagging questions. Schaefer has no questions -- the kid is a potential franchise defenseman and Norris Trophy candidate.
schaefer by a lot. 2011 was the first class i tried to scout (thanks to our lotto win lol) and since then dahlin is the only draft eligible defender id put above him. you summed it up perfectly, hes basically everything you could ask for in a prospect. the brain, the skill, the skating, the poise, all of it. visibly tilts the ice every time he steps on it. and lets not forget he was very nearly 2026 eligible, so a ton of runway still to come. i remember there being some surprise over his late jump to 1OA in the ohl priority draft a few years back and, to no ones surprise, hes smashed expectations. that will happen again. we can only hope for the isles to galaxy brain this

i actually have frondell at 2 at this point. i think the offensive package is underrated, talking one of the best shots in the class and a severely underappreciated playmaking game because its not in your face level creative. the vision, the handling in tight, the quick reads/decision making, hes so good at making slick plays to get pucks to linemates for chances. very smart player, knows how to position himself and support teammates, including defensively. heavy power presence as well, kids a brute. some of the best board work i can recall seeing from a draft eligible, hes just a beast in puck battles. even at the mens level his defensive stick play, his handling under contact, his physical presence, his puck protection ability, his ferocious compete level, all of it combines to make sure he either comes away with the puck or facilitates a play up the boards. the perception of him has gotten better (much better in fact) since he returned from injury and im thankful for it, but i still think that and a pedestrian u18 (in which he joined midway through no less) has him underrated by the masses

agree with the premise of your 2OA discussion though. i like misa a touch more at this point because i believe his explosiveness and scoring sense are the most elite attributes between the two of them, but hagens is still great and i find myself going back and forth at times. little bit skeptical of misa's playmaking game/ability to elevate a line/slot in down the middle long term, and i dont love hagens's lack of elite skating (at his size) and slight reliance on needing space to operate, so thats why they find themselves at 3 and 4 right now
 
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I wanted to put this up again because there's been some question about who the #1 overall pick should be and, much like in the Jack Hughes Draft, I think Schaefer is at least a full tier ahead of the pack. I'm really interested to know what @Guadana and @evnted and some other of you folks think, but I'm all in on Schaefer. I'm still a bit conflicted on who is #2 overall -- Misa and Hagens are both outstanding prospects who combine several elite qualities with a few smaller, nagging questions. Schaefer has no questions -- the kid is a potential franchise defenseman and Norris Trophy candidate.

2025 Draft Profile:

LD Matthew Schaefer, Erie OHL

If an amateur hockey player had nothing else whatsoever in his game and skillset except an ability to both skate and think at a far faster pace than the opposition, they would still be a very good bet to make the NHL. With Matthew Schaefer, you have a player at the highest levels of elite skating and elite thinking, to such an almost absurd degree that it often seems like the rest of the game is moving in slow motion around him. But almost impossibly, this combination is simply the tip of the iceberg. Because Matthew Schaefer is a player who excels at virtually every area of the game -- with the puck and without, offense and defense, 5x5 or power play or penalty kill, if we can imagine it he can do it.

Breaking him down is easy, because Schaefer is just such a good hockey player the only challenge becomes which superlative to use for which aspect of his game. The first thing we notice is his elite skating -- he's got that Makar/Hughes ability to seem like he's almost floating above the ice combined with an insane agility and edge work which allows him to explode in any direction in any instant. This speed is only matched by his lightning-fast ability to read a play and react to it accordingly. His high-end anticipation gives him a head-start to wherever the puck or play will be, and the last thing this rocket-quick kid needs is a head start. Opponents always seem on their heels whenever he's on the ice, ready to turn tail and play defense and often intimidated into losing all aggressiveness seemingly by his presence alone.

We saw this in the WJC -- with Schaefer on the ice, Canada was simply a completely different team than without him -- more confident, aggressive and precise, knowing how impossible it was for teenagers to beat Schaefer on either end of the ice. Similarly, we saw it with the competition -- when Schaefer's injury forced him out of the Latvia loss, the entire Latvia gameplan shifted to a more intense forecheck and greater chance-taking.

Schaefer's puck skills are high end, but short of elite. He's a terrific passer with great on-ice vision, which combined with his elite smarts makes him the Erie quarterback every time he's on the ice. His hands are very good, not quite as quick or deft as his feet, but soft and skilled enough to keep up. He doesn't have the litany of moves and dekes like a prime-era Patrick Kane, but he has enough tricks in his bag to get a defender off-balance in order to shift gears and use his explosive skating to blow past them. Schaefer's shot is probably is most pedestrian trait -- it's good enough to cause damage from either a quick wrister or full wind-up, but it's not exactly scaring anyone on its own. Most of Schaefer's goals are from skating faster than a goaltender can adjust and then using his hands to hit the holes he creates with his feet.

Maybe the most impressive aspect of his overall game is the fact that although Schaefer sounds like a prototypical all-offense defenseman, he's quite the opposite. Schaefer's potential is the rare NHL franchise defenseman who is the team's best offensive and defensive defenseman. His reads and positioning are top-notch, and even in the rare instance when a bad bounce or teammate turnover catches him out of position, Schaefer can seamlessly adjust and quickly close gaps which moments before seemed untenable. He's a high-compete guy who routinely wins puck battles and, at 6'2-185, he's also extremely athletic and physically strong. Schaefer is not afraid to throw hits, maybe not as an intimidation tactic, but he can certainly separate an opposing forward from the puck with no shortage of aggression and audacity. You can't dump the puck in on him because he'll beat you to it, you can't carry in because he'll read it and close the gap, and you can't beat him one-on-one.

I'm not sure what else to say, Matthew Schaefer is absolutely the blue chip defenseman of the 2025 NHL Draft, and quite likely the top overall pick. Any team would be over the moon to get this high-end, two-way speed demon.
Im in a Schaefer team. He is thinking the game very fast and has all the tools to make all of his thoughts happened on the ice. He is doing it under control without forcing himself. On my eye he HAS potential to be top-10-15 defenseman in NHL. Hagens or Misa as top-10-15 forwards? I dont think so. Great players but not as close to the elite level.
 
Devils could draft Lundell or Rossi instead of Holtz and not trade Bardakov. It would are wonders for this team Nico-Jack-Lundell-Bardakov center line would be insane. Yeah, I prefer Lundell because he is actually playing third center role and all of his points are going from there - better p/60 5on5 as result. Better fit.
Just two simple steps. Not taking complimentary one trick players, not making bad trades.

I just hope Fitz will target pure potential for the next few years without any Grahams, Browns and Hurtigs. After Gritsyuk and Lenny are coming to NA, we are empty. There will be no support with talents for free in the next three four years because of years spending for finding power forward in the deep of the draft, which you will never find there. And the problem is the Devils should use their first and second round picks for trades because their window is now.

I really hope that Grits will be more good top 6 player than good third liner, not just because he is "my guy", but because Devils are not in a good situation with all the injuries and short bench of talent.
 
Fitz has had 5 terrible drafts in a row that has depleted our forward depth. We don't even have guys that are AHL level.

I don't see him doing any better this year if he's still using the concept of drafting for character and work ethic and teach the players skill.
 
Fitz has had 5 terrible drafts in a row that has depleted our forward depth. We don't even have guys that are AHL level.

I don't see him doing any better this year if he's still using the concept of drafting for character and work ethic and teach the players skill.
I would like some explanation as to what qualifies as terrible? Outcome? Process?

What is terrible about last year's draft?
 
Fitz has had 5 terrible drafts in a row that has depleted our forward depth. We don't even have guys that are AHL level.

I don't see him doing any better this year if he's still using the concept of drafting for character and work ethic and teach the players skill.
This is clearly not what the Devils are doing. They drafted Holtz over Rossi and Jarvis... Salminen over Svozil, Blake, Savage and Duke... Pikkarainen and Traff over Kevin He.

The Devils are leaving as much character and work ethic on the table as they are leaving skill on the table.

The Devils have many problems in their recent draft history, but this is not one of them. The reason I mention it is because this is a gross misdiagnosis -- the Devils would not be in this situation if they were drafting the highest character and work ethic players.
 

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