Speculation: 2024-25 Coaching/Management/Ownership

[robbieboy3686]

Crickets when we get run over and manhandled physically last night by a middling Calgary team

Srsly plz

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Agree, but this isn't exclusively on Cronin. He was hired and is being supported by Verbeek. Much grace needs to be given to young players who aren't producing points. Comparing Carlsson or others point totals to guys on other teams is useless. This system if focused on defending and suppresses offense. Saying Mintyukov and others are "slumping" isn't accurate. They are handcuffed by usage and this defense first system. Who knows if this will work but this is the plan. Implemented by Cronin, endorsed by Verbeek.

I agree in not giving Verbeek a pass. He ultimately owns what happens on the ice from compiling the roster to telling the coach how he wants them to play. But I wonder if something is somewhat lost in the translation between the two. I'm guessing that the answer to that question will be seen this summer when Cronin is either retained or not. I've never believed Cronin would be fired mid-season.

 

[MMC]

Crickets when we get run over and manhandled physically last night by a middling Calgary team

Didn’t watch

 

[ohcomeonref]

Didn’t watch

I'm jealous

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Crickets when we get run over and manhandled physically last night by a middling Calgary team

We got manhandled physically by an older more mature team whose most top scorers are 28-34 years old. But it wasn’t a 4-1 as whooping like the score looks.

Still outclassed but that is expected and if expectations were different we wouldn’t be a bottom 5 team in the league.

 

[Hey234]

Agree, but this isn't exclusively on Cronin. He was hired and is being supported by Verbeek. Much grace needs to be given to young players who aren't producing points. Comparing Carlsson or others point totals to guys on other teams is useless. This system if focused on defending and suppresses offense. Saying Mintyukov and others are "slumping" isn't accurate. They are handcuffed by usage and this defense first system. Who knows if this will work but this is the plan. Implemented by Cronin, endorsed by Verbeek.

But I don't think one has to mean the other. Verbeek can have the philosophy of defense first and offense comes from that. Cronin can too. But their approaches to that end goal can be different. It's possible that when speaking to Cronin, everything lines up for Verbeek. When he sees the game and looks at the numbers, it doesn't match. However, things take time, and you can see Verbeek holding on to the idea that this just takes time.

One thing to remember is that very early on, Verbeek scoffed at the idea of reflecting on his own work. It does give the impression of someone who finds these types of activities such as reflecting or therapy as pointless. People who think this way tend to not be the best leaders and very often make poor decisions.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

This is my new thinking re: Greg the Egg.

He was brought in to teach the players defensive skills/mindset and implement a defense-first system.

While he has failed at the latter, I think he may be having some success in the former and that's what Verbeek has been happy with. That said, I think he's completely clueless offensively, hence our team's production and the drop off of prospects like Leo and Z. Even during his time in the AHL, his team's offense was meh for 2 seasons, good for one season, and second-to-last another season.

I think the things he is working with players on (e.g. that "defending without a stick" drill) will come to fruition under a coach with a better system. They'll be little things that help the team win games.

 

[ohcomeonref]

We got manhandled physically by an older more mature team whose most top scorers are 28-34 years old. But it wasn’t a 4-1 as whooping like the score looks.

Still outclassed but that is expected and if expectations were different we wouldn’t be a bottom 5 team in the league.

You can paint it up any way you like, last night was an embarrassment.