Speculation: 2024-25 Coaching/Management/Ownership

[2faded]

I've been a pretty big fan of Verbeek and I think he has done a pretty good job so far. The rebuild needed to happen if they ever wanted a chance at a cup. It resulted in our future 1c in Leo and our future 1d in Minty. He signed some vets to surround the youth. Some aren't playing well but it's the right idea. Tried to sign bigger name UFA's this offseason which I think was the right timing. Didn't work out.

The Cronin hire was a big miss and I am absolutely judging his performance by how long he let's this go on. I thought he would let it ride for the year even with the shit performance. But to have Lyubushkin say what he said. Then have Killorn, Terry, and now Zegras pretty much criticizing the coach, TO THE MEDIA. They're basically saying out loud that they hate this Cronin style of hockey. How unhappy do they have to be to say that openly to the media.

Verbeek needs to do something. He can't sit quiet at this point, not with the players putting it out in the open.

 

[Mr Rogers]

It needs to happen ASAP....

you need to get more out of the young guys

You need zegras/gauthier/carlsson/mintyukov/zellweger to have some sort of confidence in their abilities.

You need mctavish not to be an anchor on every line he plays on.

I think he'd wait until Thanksgiving at the earliest and even then i wouldn't bet on it. I think there could just be a mercy firing that needs to be done at some point tho, I agree with Seravalli that Pat probably doesn't want to let the players off the hook, but that's kinda the point - Like Cronin is probably over the top with his treatment of players

 

[QuackAttack90]

Seems pretty simple to me.

We brought Cronin in to develop our young talent, and they aren't developing.

We need to find someone better.

 

[Firequacker]

I don't think Verbeek is in any immediate danger, but this rebuild is going to be the thing that defines his career and he has to know that. Admitting that Cronin was a mistake would suck, sure, but mistakes happen. Wasting too much critical development time with a bad hire has the potential to derail the entire thing, and then he will be in trouble.

 

[Mr Rogers]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1855105866141516132

Did we ever find out how long his contract actually is? Sounds like it's 3 years, i sure hope this guy is wrong but i agree with him about Cronin getting the rest of this year. not sure about beyond tho

 

[snowave]

It's barely November. I really don't think they can let Cronin/team continue like this for another 5 months. Even in mellow Anaheim, it will start to get hot under the seats of Cronin and possibly, PV at some point.

 

[Rasp]

A coach that says he doesnt know as much as Cronin needs to get moved on. We need a coach that does know how to fix things

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Cronin is clueless. NHL is way above his level.

 

[MMC]

Nobody knows what PV thinks of Cronin's performance this year. He could think he's doing fine and it's the players that bear most of the responsibility for what's going on, he could be incredibly unhappy and laying into Cronin and just not wanting to be public about his criticism (the right call), he could be unhappy and wanting to move on but fearing what it would mean for his own job security, or he could be going the Rutherford route with Tocchet/BB where he's already talking to other guys he wants to bring in and as soon as he agrees to contract terms with them he'll pull the trigger

 

[JabbaJabba]

Something needs to change. The veterans are looking older and the young players are not developing. Can't blame the poor play on injuries now. I was looking forward to this season. Not that the Ducks were going to make the playoffs but at least show some progress. So far we haven't seen it.

Verbeek needs to replace Cronin. A trade won't do anything to solve this mess. The system doesn't work and the players are already signing off. Think about it, we are like a month into the season and the situation is like this.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Good owners and management recognize an issue before it spirals out of control, we are there now. I sound like a broken record but this team has enough talent to atleast compete, they shouldn't be just getting outplayed night after night. This homestand should be a time where we see the potential of this team instead it's just bad hockey

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

This is so pitiful to watch. He’s stumbling over simple questions, doesn’t know where the ‘synergy’ is coming from..

Can’t wait for this moron to be fired..

 

[WhatTheDuck]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1855105866141516132

Did we ever find out how long his contract actually is? Sounds like it's 3 years, i sure hope this guy is wrong but i agree with him about Cronin getting the rest of this year. not sure about beyond tho

I don't recall seeing the term, and can't seem to find it now.

 

[forever1922]

Who are the best coaches available?

David Carle is under NCAA contract but who knows. Likely gets to choose where he wants to go and for how much.

NHL coaches with changes looming:
Jim Montgomery for Bruins
Jon Cooper for Tampa
Andrew Brunette for Preds

Decent rehashes:
Jay Woodcroft
Todd McLellan

These are the names I could see making sense for the Ducks, although Brunette obviously had a recent issue. Montgomery and Cooper might both be valued too highly to change despite poor results.

Then there's McIlvane, who despite bad results with the Gulls, at least has the team playing more entertaining hockey and the players are taking steps. Probably not exactly what fans would want to see.

 

[robbieboy3686]

I don't recall seeing the term, and can't seem to find it now.

There’s 0 chance a first time head coach on a rebuiiidng team was given 3 years. Best case for Cronin is he got 2 years with a 3rd being optional.

 

[Rooch]

OK so when is this change in coach or personnel going to happen? We have the second-fewest points in the league, we've lost four straight, and this season, while young, is already starting to look like last season. Are we just going to collect lottery picks in perpetuity?

 

[70sSanO]

The problem with Verbeek blaming the players is, for the most part, these are his players.

All of the vets brought in are his.

This is no longer a team he inherited, this is his team now.

Either he failed with the players he picked or the coaching staff he picked.

As much as the Samuelis are hands off, I gotta believe the years of bad teams has not been lost on them. Hearing that the franchise you own is the worst in the league year after year should prompt some action.

If it doesn’t, then we are Buffalo west. As endearing as the Samuelis are to fans, they may not be the right owners for the Ducks.

John

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

OK so when is this change in coach or personnel going to happen? We have the second-fewest points in the league, we've lost four straight, and this season, while young, is already starting to look like last season. Are we just going to collect lottery picks in perpetuity?

With a (seemingly) stubborn GM and a clueless HC with his assistants we are in it for the long haul.

Verbeek takes most of the blame here too. He brought in his guys and it's clearly not working out.

The problem with Verbeek blaming the players is, for the most part, these are his players.

All of the vets brought in are his.

This is no longer a team he inherited, this is his team now.

Either he failed with the players he picked or the coaching staff he picked.

+1.

He's failed on both ends. I can't believe there were some people on here that really thought only adding Fabbri and Dumoulin would suddenly change the outlook on this team. One is an often injured forward, and the other one is a non-impactful bottom pairing defenseman.

The roster that is constructed is awful, and coaching is sinking completely under water.

 

[Rooch]

As much as the Samuelis are hands off, I gotta believe the years of bad teams has not been lost on them. Hearing that the franchise you own is the worst in the league year after year should prompt some action.

If it doesn’t, then we are Buffalo west. As endearing as the Samuelis are to fans, they may not be the right owners for the Ducks.

John

Let's not forget they're spending billions on the redevelopment around Honda Center. They're not going to want to open OCVibe with a loser playing in its centerpiece. They tend not to get in PV's way but I'd like to see them make some kind of a statement here reflecting their displeasure with seven years of futility.

They had to have been listening last year when PV told season ticket holders that he was hoped to sign big FAs and push for the playoffs THIS SEASON. That might be the biggest swinging miss by a GM I've ever seen. No industry I know lets someone call his shot like that, be dead wrong, and stay in his job.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

IMO, when a veteran team under performs that's when you make a trade to shake things up. I think it would be a huge mistake to think trading one of our younger guys will somehow shake up the rest of them. The team is fundamentally flawed and needs fixing before you can evaluate the players' individual contributions.

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

The problem with Verbeek blaming the players is, for the most part, these are his players.

All of the vets brought in are his.

This is no longer a team he inherited, this is his team now.

Either he failed with the players he picked or the coaching staff he picked.

As much as the Samuelis are hands off, I gotta believe the years of bad teams has not been lost on them. Hearing that the franchise you own is the worst in the league year after year should prompt some action.

If it doesn’t, then we are Buffalo west. As endearing as the Samuelis are to fans, they may not be the right owners for the Ducks.

John

Basically the point I made a few pages ago. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt the last couple years while the final remnants of the Murray era were cleaned out, but the infrastructure in hockey ops from top to bottom is his responsibility and he’s flailing without a life jacket.

 

[70sSanO]

Let's not forget they're spending billions on the redevelopment around Honda Center. They're not going to want to open OCVibe with a loser playing in its centerpiece.

I’ve been to Gila River Arena and their entertainment district. After the Coyotes left, they poured more dollars into the area and re-branded the arena even though they have no tenant. But not much else is going on in Glendale, except on Sunday.

It is not the same environment, since OCVibe will always be in competition with Disney a few miles away. The district may thrive as an adult vs kid friendly district regardless of the Ducks.

John

 

[anezthes]

EA added coaches to the game. They look... great.

 

[gunnergunther]

Why are they either buff or have man boobs?

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

EA added coaches to the game. They look... great.

Most of them are pretty good likenesses. Tortorella and Arniel are insanely bad, it’s not remotely close. Cronin has been de-aged about 30 years.