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Speculation: 2024-25 Coaching/Management/Ownership

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Rooch said:
Respectfully but strenuously disagree.
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I mean we already have 1 year of him, so really I’m just fine with him for this season. I don’t think firing him right now, unless we have an awful November, makes much sense.

Last season Mctavish had 21 pts in his first 20 games, and 21 pts in his final 44 games and missed 18 games.

So basically he was a PPG player for 1/4 of the season, .48 PPG player for half the season, and missed another 1/4 of the season. He is currently averaging .55 PPG for the season. He looks lost defensively, and still taking dumb penalties. But all in all whatever.

Zegras looks like an all around player, I hope with a Cutter and Killorn (which has looked like our best line since they’ve been together) his pts will start to go back to where they should be.

Leo is fine, hasn’t taken that step, he’s outpacing on a PPG pace, Barkov and Hughes during their 18 and 19 year old seasons.

Cutter is a rookie and has been snakebitten, let’s see what it looks like after 10 + games of playing with Z.

Zelly is one of our best Dman every night.

Minty is starting like 60+ % of his draws in the D zone, and progressing fine.

I just don’t see any real reason to sound the alarm yet, key word yet. Like I said, let’s circle back once November ends and see what this team looks like.
 
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Ignoring the results for a minute.

The bigger concern is the complete lack of development we are seeing from our young players, and in many cases, players getting worse under Cronin. You could ignore the results if we are getting steps forward in the development of the young players as that's what the goal is right now.....but we're not even getting that.

If Cronin gets the full year, I'm pretty worried that several of our young players will be beyond saving in terms of them reaching anywhere close to their potential.

Bad coaching kills development. We need to find a coach who can develop young players and put them in positions to succeed ASAP.
 
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I don't believe ownership will stand down for much longer here

TheGoodShepard1 said:
It's stretches like this where I really want to know what the Samuelis are thinking. Even as patient and hands-off as they are, they surely can't be happy right now.
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They aren't, the problem is you are so early in the season you basically wasted an entire training camp and sometimes teams wait too long...they're going to have to make a decision soon
 
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We are dead last in GF by a bit of a margin and now that Dostal is getting fatigued we are going to fall down the GA-rankings as well.

I mean, players might be snakebitten every now and then but this lack of scoring has to be a coaching issue. Cronin has to be on the hot seat now so hope he starts changing things up abit.
 
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McTavish, Vatrano, Killorn have been ass.

Fabbri, Strome, Carlsson, Gauthier, Minty have been ok.

Z, Terry, Zelly, McGinn, Lundy, Dumo have been good.

Lack of passing, losing puck battles constantly, turnovers are just the start of what's wrong. We have so few play drivers it's apalling. Z, Carlsson, and Terry are the only forwards that drive plays on this team. All of the summer shinny they have been playing hasn't been good for their high pressure decision making at the highest level.

Cronin still playing McT on PP1 is astoundingly stupid IMO. It's criminal that Z is on the 2nd unit for what he generates.
 
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Do you think there will be a trade to try to improve the whole thing or will the coach be shaken right away?? In any case, it can't go on like this
 
JanIEC said:
Do you think there will be a trade to try to improve the whole thing or will the coach be shaken right away?? In any case, it can't go on like this
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At this point the only thing Verbeek probably does is draft with his picks. Seems to be the only thing he wants to do. Not like he’s shown interest in making the team any better

TheGoodShepard1 said:
It's stretches like this where I really want to know what the Samuelis are thinking. Even as patient and hands-off as they are, they surely can't be happy right now.
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They do not care.
 
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JanIEC said:
Do you think there will be a trade to try to improve the whole thing or will the coach be shaken right away?? In any case, it can't go on like this
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I have a uneasy feeling he will trade an important piece for an average project player.

dracom said:
At this point the only thing Verbeek probably does is draft with his picks. Seems to be the only thing he wants to do. Not like he’s shown interest in making the team any better
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Don't worry, after this deadline when he ships all of our 'promising' players away, we will have approximately 20 picks in this draft LOL
 
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JanIEC said:
Do you think there will be a trade to try to improve the whole thing or will the coach be shaken right away?? In any case, it can't go on like this
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It absolutely can go on like this. He could be waiting until the quarter or third marks to make a decision on whether the team is actually improved, and depending on the answer the decision could just be “sell everything” like it has been the last two years.

So yeah, it could just look like this for a while until it looks worse. Sennecke’s floating around out there, Solberg, whatever high picks we get this year are out there, that's plenty of justification for a tear-down GM to justify doing some more tearing down.

Maybe there’ll be some roster churn, a middling trade, a waiver pickup, Colangelo or Nesterenko recalled, etc. Gibson will be back at some point. I don’t foresee a major trade but then no one saw the Drysdale trade coming, not that that made things any better.
 
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Smirnov2Chistov said:
Don't worry, after this deadline when he ships all of our 'promising' players away, we will have approximately 20 picks in this draft LOL
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Verbeek's biggest issue with this roster is not insulating the youth with any solid roster players, so it tracks that he'd use every pick in a pretty mediocre draft. And even knowing that he doesn't have a lot of veteran leadership, he still hires a rookie NHL coach on top of that. It's literally the blind leading the blind out there.

If your roster is a cap floor team that tries to ice a top line of Carlsson/Gauthier and 3-4 dmen with one year or less of NHL experience, then you get what you deserve.
 
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Reveille1984 said:
Verbeek's biggest issue with this roster is not insulating the youth with any solid roster players, so it tracks that he'd use every pick in a pretty mediocre draft. And even knowing that he doesn't have a lot of veteran leadership, he still hires a rookie NHL coach on top of that. It's literally the blind leading the blind out there.

If your roster is a cap floor team that tries to ice a top line of Carlsson/Gauthier and 3-4 dmen with one year or less of NHL experience, then you get what you deserve.
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I said something similar in another thread. This was inevitable this season unless the young players massively improved at the same time. PV did not fix the holes he identified as issues and the coach appears to be lost again on how manage the players he has been given. This is pretty much the exact same team as last year's so we should expect similar results.
 
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Right now the Ducks are in a catch-22. There were no quality veteran free agents who were willing to play for the Ducks in the current state of the team.

We need to first become more competitive before we can attract the type of players we need to help us become competitive.

We didn’t get Stamkos or Marchessault. They are struggling, as are the Preds, to start the season. Although they will probably turn it around. But how much worse would they perform under Cronin?

This does make one wonder how much worse is Killorn on the Ducks than on another better coached team?

I really don’t see a plug-n-play trade that fixes this team. As everyone else has said, we need a coaching change that will get our young team to buy in and be engaged.

John
 
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70sSanO said:
Right now the Ducks are in a catch-22. There were no quality veteran free agents who were willing to play for the Ducks in the current state of the team.

We need to first become more competitive before we can attract the type of players we need to help us become competitive.

We didn’t get Stamkos or Marchessault. They are struggling, as are the Preds, to start the season. Although they will probably turn it around. But how much worse would they perform under Cronin?

This does make one wonder how much worse is Killorn on the Ducks than on another better coached team?

I really don’t see a plug-n-play trade that fixes this team. As everyone else has said, we need a coaching change that will get our young team to buy in and be engaged.

John
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We need a coach that will coach to the team's strength instead of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
 
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70sSanO said:
Right now the Ducks are in a catch-22. There were no quality veteran free agents who were willing to play for the Ducks in the current state of the team.

We need to first become more competitive before we can attract the type of players we need to help us become competitive.

We didn’t get Stamkos or Marchessault. They are struggling, as are the Preds, to start the season. Although they will probably turn it around. But how much worse would they perform under Cronin?

This does make one wonder how much worse is Killorn on the Ducks than on another better coached team?

I really don’t see a plug-n-play trade that fixes this team. As everyone else has said, we need a coaching change that will get our young team to buy in and be engaged.

John
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I don't think and single move will fix this team. The ratio from kids to vets is staggering. The reality is we need more vets just to get us respectable. Imo this is why focusing on just the draft like we have hurts. These kids need help and we're just way too dependent on them.
 
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