Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season

[Vaslof]

I think that's the normal way to do it here in Finland at max 50% of salary.

 

[BobRossColton]

No

Boo, that would useful

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

They need to do this with Mikko... It's the perfect way to bridge the gap.

Carolina managed to get Jarvis' cap hit down from $7.9M to $7.4M doing this, about 6.8% in savings.


The equivalent numbers for Mikko would be getting him down from a $13M deal to $12.25M.

 

[EdAVSfan]

They really don't, I doubt it's going to become mainstream because the vast majority of players are not that stupid.

Somenone tell Vatrano, that inflation in 10 years... If he thinks living in a state with less taxes than California, that ain't going to make a big difference. Unless he plans to retire in some tax haven.

Isn’t Vatrano getting paid MORE money than what his typical contract would be, in order to make up for the time value of money?

Pretty sure his financial advisors would do their due diligence with this.

 

[LOFIN]

Isn’t Vatrano getting paid MORE money than what his typical contract would be, in order to make up for the time value of money?

Pretty sure his financial advisors would do their due diligence with this.

One could argue he would've been able to get 3x6M in free agency this summer.

There's a reason players don't do this.

 

[EdAVSfan]

One could argue he would've been able to get 3x6M in free agency this summer.

There's a reason players don't do this.

Frank Vatrano has been a 30-40 point player his entire career. He had one blow up season. He’s playing top line and top PP unit.

Who’s paying him 6M per year to score his usual 20 goals?

You could argue it, but I wouldn’t believe you.

What if he’s more like 4-4.5 million dollar player? He’s receiving 9M for 3 years, 9M deferred. And he can re-sign a contact in 3 years with anyone.

And the reason it hasn’t been done, is because sometimes, it takes agents and financial people time to find loopholes. It’s never been done, and now it’s 2 times in a couple of months.

Before ROR signed his massive contract with Buffalo, no one had done any loaded up, high bonus, low salary contracts before him in the cap era. Now it’s more common.

 

[MacKaRant]

I still don't understand these contracts. Does that mean the Ducks save 3M in cap for the next 3 years, but from 2035-2045 will face a 900K charge?

LeBrun's tweet says the AAV will be $4.57 million. I believe the cap hit will be for three years, with no extra years after that.

So, basically, if I understand this correctly, NHL is considering the $9 million of deferred payments to be worth $4.71 million in 2025 dollars using the formula of 1.5% depreciation of value of 1 dollar per year.

Vatrano's 2045 payment would be calculated as the least valuable because there would be 20 years of compounding money depreciation at 1.5% per year

 

[Pokecheque]

Claim kaliyev?

Nope.

 

[Bender]

Been thinking about this for a few days now. People mentioning Pettersson or Miller - I don't think the Avs would be in the market for either of those guys but anything is possible I guess.

@Pierce Hawthorne mentioned this a few weeks back - I wonder if the Avs would have interest in a guy like Brock Nelson since the Islanders are in last place in their division. He hasn't had a great season but neither has anyone on the Islanders and he's in the last year of his contract at $6M and can play Center or Wing.

I could see the Avs adding that guy and using him as the #2C if Mitts doesn't come out of his slump and bump Mitts down to a #3C role for this year's playoffs OR use him as a Top-6 wing.

He rolls off as a UFA in the summer but I think that would go a long way to beef up our team. We'd still need a depth defender but after that, we'd be pretty set to make a run.

 

[Murzu]

Been thinking about this for a few days now. People mentioning Pettersson or Miller - I don't think the Avs would be in the market for either of those guys but anything is possible I guess.

@Pierce Hawthorne mentioned this a few weeks back - I wonder if the Avs would have interest in a guy like Brock Nelson since the Islanders are in last place in their division. He hasn't had a great season but neither has anyone on the Islanders and he's in the last year of his contract at $6M and can play Center or Wing.

I could see the Avs adding that guy and using him as the #2C if Mitts doesn't come out of his slump and bump Mitts down to a #3C role for this year's playoffs OR use him as a Top-6 wing.

He rolls off as a UFA in the summer but I think that would go a long way to beef up our team. We'd still need a depth defender but after that, we'd be pretty set to make a run.

Been drooling after Nelson for two years now. He'd be an awesome get and would put our offense over the top.

Drouin - Mack - Nuke
Lehky - Nelson - Rants
Colton - Mitts - LOC
Wood - Kelly - Kivi
Pärssinen

That's unfair. A good mid six center makes us a favorite.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

The false narratives around JT Miller are hilarious. He’s literally like a Yandle, Brassard, Hayes, Stolly type of guy off the ice.

People thinking he’s a bad guy or loner or something like that just kills me lol. Everybody loves him. Everybody wants to hang out with him. I bet after Tyson Barrie, JT Miller gets invited to more weddings every summer than every other player in hockey.

Yes he’s hard on teammates at the rink but it’s only when they aren’t competing. He doesn’t ask anything of anyone that he isn’t willing to go put 120% in for himself.

The riffs he’s had have been with losers who don’t put in work. He’s playing in Vancouver where they have Elias Pettersson who has some of the most raw skill this league has seen in recent years and Miller shows up to work every day, works his ass off and then sees this loser across the gym with his hood up texting on his phone the whole time. EP has all the talent in the world and in Miller’s eyes he’s just letting it go to waste.

People on HF Avs are wrong on Miller plain and simple. I don’t like pulling out the whole “knowing people” card but dear god guys, there’s some takes on here that are simply incorrect. @dahrougem2 you in particular one of he coolest cats HF has ever seen. I respect the hell out of you and you’re one of my OG HF buds. But dude either you’re making something up entirely off things you’re seeing from the outside without context, or someone is feeding you absolute bull shit about JT Miller.

I can’t predict how JTM will age or anything like that but I can tell you he’s a well liked teammate and a really talented hockey players who’s compete is up there with the best of him. If he’s available, get him.

His issues with EP40 aren’t hockey related, sadly.

 

[LOFIN]

It will be super interesting to see what happens, because I can see the organization leaning either way.

Why trade Miller, instead of EP40
- JT is older
- JT has less raw skill and ability
- JT has been a known problem teammate earlier as well
- The GM signed EP more recently, and wouldn't want to admit that mistake, JT was signed with Allvin being like 6 months on the job

Why trade EP instead of JT
- Has really performed much worse relative to expectations
- Doesn't seem to have the same "fire"
- Probably doesn't fit the coache's philosophy as well
- GM has been much harder on EP, recently called him out, and rumours have been they actually asked JT and Q. Hughes to motivate EP more
- Higher cap hit, so would provide more flexibility with the team

If you are looking at it purely from a logical standpoint, you hold on to the younger, more skilled player. But we all know that personalities and whatnot have a huge impact on these things...

 

[Muffin]

His issues with EP40 aren’t hockey related, sadly.

The Laine issue?

 

[hockeyfish]

It will be super interesting to see what happens, because I can see the organization leaning either way.

Why trade Miller, instead of EP40
- JT is older
- JT has less raw skill and ability
- JT has been a known problem teammate earlier as well
- The GM signed EP more recently, and wouldn't want to admit that mistake, JT was signed with Allvin being like 6 months on the job

Why trade EP instead of JT
- Has really performed much worse relative to expectations
- Doesn't seem to have the same "fire"
- Probably doesn't fit the coache's philosophy as well
- GM has been much harder on EP, recently called him out, and rumours have been they actually asked JT and Q. Hughes to motivate EP more
- Higher cap hit, so would provide more flexibility with the team

If you are looking at it purely from a logical standpoint, you hold on to the younger, more skilled player. But we all know that personalities and whatnot have a huge impact on these things...

Add "Miller has a NMC, EP doesn't" to the list of why trade EP instead if JT.

 

[Balthazar]

The Laine issue?

Fortnite? How?

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

The Laine issue?

Horrible fashion sense?

 

[Vaslof]

Fortnite? How?

Well he had a break for mental health reasons I think this season.

But if it's true his problems aren't hockey related, maybe he's one of those off the deep end MAGAs.

 

[Jasenr]

Fortnite? How?

He was a wreck after his dad died. But I guess you knew that. He just has been able to put that behind.

 

[Pokecheque]

Well he had a break for mental health reasons I think this season.

But if it's true his problems aren't hockey related, maybe he's one of those off the deep end MAGAs.

Which one?

FTR I very much doubt that, or at the very least doubt that's the issue--there are a lot more MAGAs in the professional sports world than you think. I'd even argue the majority of them are or leaning that way. In fact, based on his social media activity, Conor Garland is an alt-right conspiracy theorist and that obviously hasn't affected his play or chemistry with his teammates.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Pokecheque]

That might very well be the worst fit

 

[Vaslof]

Which one?

FTR I very much doubt that, or at the very least doubt that's the issue--there are a lot more MAGAs in the professional sports world than you think. I'd even argue the majority of them are or leaning that way. In fact, based on his social media activity, Conor Garland is an alt-right conspiracy theorist and that obviously hasn't affected his play or chemistry with his teammates.

Yeah that's why I tried specifying "off the deep end". If it's someone pushing their crazy on others all the time, that would at least piss me off. Even if it was someone I agreed with.

 

[LOFIN]

Yeah that's why I tried specifying "off the deep end". If it's someone pushing their crazy on others all the time, that would at least piss me off. Even if it was someone I agreed with.

Rumours have it, that DeAngelo was like this with the Rangers. Obviously had a big group of guys who weren't bothered by it because they agreed, but rubbed some players the wrong way. That Trouba once or twice had to tell him to shut the f*** up because people had enough of his political sperging in the locker room.

 

[EdAVSfan]

That might very well be the worst fit

Probably just adding bodies since they may be sellers

 

[Pokecheque]

Probably just adding bodies since they may be sellers

True.