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Yep. I’ve already gone on record saying that Rutherford and Allvin are gonna pick Miller (and Tocchet) over Pettersson and they’re going to regret it.
I don't care who they unltimately pick. Their team losses no matter what by having to ship one of those guys out. And then the fans will have more drama. Although drama in Vancouver is funny af, all that damn smoke is pretty bad for the environment.
 

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I don't care who they unltimately pick. Their team losses no matter what by having to ship one of those guys out. And then the fans will have more drama. Although drama in Vancouver is funny af, all that damn smoke is pretty bad for the environment.
JT Miller for K'Andre Miller and Zibanejad. It's a high risk, high reward move. Zibanejad is a downgrade, but if he can reclaim some of his form he could be a decent #2 and PP specialist for that team. K'Andre Miller is still a young defenceman, who might develope into a better player in a different environment.
 

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I don't care who they unltimately pick. Their team losses no matter what by having to ship one of those guys out. And then the fans will have more drama. Although drama in Vancouver is funny af, all that damn smoke is pretty bad for the environment.
There might be a way they win out but I also think more needs to change than just their center tandem.

I feel like some fans in Vancouver secretly loooooove the drama.
 

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Yep. I’ve already gone on record saying that Rutherford and Allvin are gonna pick Miller (and Tocchet) over Pettersson and they’re going to regret it.

I think that could go either way. Depends on who they'd get for Petterson, which would probably be more than Miller.

Petterson's in his prime at 26 making $11.6M, and Miller is 31 making $8M, but Miller is out producing Petterson on a pts/gm basis. 68 point pace for Petterson. 76 point pace for Miller.

I don't really like the idea of one of your stars pouting and not playing well, because he may or may not like another teammate. He plays for the Vancouver Canucks, not the Vancouver Pettersons. Get it together and be a leader for your team on the ice. That's what's expected of you, especially on that contract.

MacKinnon and Mikko probably didn't have a great relationship with Georgeiv, but they still played well for their team.

That 102 point year from Petterson is looking more and more like a big outlier. Stat wise he looks just like Miller, but making $3.6M more. They're both pt/gm players most years, with one outlier year of 102/103 points.

Last year was Petterson's second best season and it wasn't even that great. 89 points with scoring way up is more like 80 points a few years ago. 24th in pts/gm last year with the 5th highest cap hit.

I think I'd trade Petterson before Miller too. Better return, more cap savings, and shed a pouter who wilts a bit when things get tough. That kind of guy is questionable in a tough playoff environment and he didn't have a great playoffs last year either.
 

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I think that could go either way. Depends on who they'd get for Petterson, which would probably be more than Miller.

Petterson's in his prime at 26 making $11.6M, and Miller is 31 making $8M, but Miller is out producing Petterson on a pts/gm basis. 68 point pace for Petterson. 76 point pace for Miller.

I don't really like the idea of one of your stars pouting and not playing well, because he may or may not like another teammate. He plays for the Vancouver Canucks, not the Vancouver Pettersons. Get it together and be a leader for your team on the ice. That's what's expected of you, especially on that contract.

MacKinnon and Mikko probably didn't have a great relationship with Georgeiv, but they still played well for their team.

That 102 point year from Petterson is looking more and more like a big outlier. Stat wise he looks just like Miller, but making $3.6M more. They're both pt/gm players most years, with one outlier year of 102/103 points.

Last year was Petterson's second best season and it wasn't even that great. 89 points with scoring way up is more like 80 points a few years ago. 24th in pts/gm last year with the 5th highest cap hit.

I think I'd trade Petterson before Miller too. Better return, more cap savings, and shed a pouter who wilts a bit when things get tough. That kind of guy is questionable in a tough playoff environment and he didn't have a great playoffs last year either.
Pettersson has his flaws for sure, but based on what I’ve seen/read think that Miller is a friggin’ headcase. Very talented headcase but one nonetheless.

I think you can build a winner with Pettersson as your best center. I don’t think you can with Miller.

I think it’s kind of a moot point primarily because I think the Canucks have a very flawed roster and a lousy coach, but I think there’s hope at the end of the tunnel if they choose Petey, but not JT.
 
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Yeah I know but could we afford Mikko with peteys 11.6 and Nate's 12.6 and then an upcoming raise for Cale
Yeah you're right, we'd have to lose Rants or another top six player to upgrade our 2C from Mitts to Pettersson. Probably just not worth even thinking about.
 

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JT Miller would be who the Avs target of they were to go down that route

Yeah, they'd prioritize Mikko over Petterson, and they can't afford both.

Miller at $8M is tough as it is. They've already decided to pay a bit more than their original plan on goaltending. Now they'd be paying more than their original plan on a 2C.

I have a feeling they may be hoping Parssinen can earn the 3C role though, and they can change plans with that too and go back to building a team with a cheap 3C.

I think we may see a lot of shuffling of the deck before next season.
 
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Yeah, they'd prioritize Mikko over Petterson, and they can't afford both.

Miller at $8M is tough as it is. They've already decided to pay a bit more than their original plan on goaltending. Now they'd be paying more than their original plan on a 2C.

I have a feeling they may be hoping Parssinen can earn the 3C role though, and they can change plans with that too and go back to building a team with a cheap 3C.

I think we may see a lot of shuffling of the deck before next season.
If pars shows well as 3c by end of season, give him something like 2x2, trade Colton for D or more Bednar type middle 6s
 

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If pars shows well as 3c by end of season, give him something like 2x2, trade Colton for D or more Bednar type middle 6s

I think that may be the plan. Even if Parsinnen doesn't show he's ready yet. They may start next season that way and then adjust if they need to.

I think they may be able to get him for less than $2M too. $1.5M if he plays decent. League min if he plays like he needs more seasoning.

He's at the perfect spot for the Avs contact wise, because he hasn't done enough to earn a decent sized contract, and he doesn't have much time left this season to prove himself, unless he tears up the playoffs.

I think that played a big part in why they made the trade, since it was a bit out of left field. Has the potential to really benefit them the next 2-3 years on an underpaid contract if he pans out.
 

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I think that may be the plan. Even if Parsinnen doesn't show he's ready yet. They may start next season that way and then adjust if they need to.

I think they may be able to get him for less than $2M too. $1.5M if he plays decent. League min if he plays like he needs more seasoning.

He's at the perfect spot for the Avs contact wise, because he hasn't done enough to earn a decent sized contract, and he doesn't have much time left this season to prove himself, unless he tears up the playoffs.

I think that played a big part in why they made the trade, since it was a bit out of left field. Has the potential to really benefit them the next 2-3 years on an underpaid contract if he pans out.
Yeah it would be nice to be able to get him on a Geekie/hayton/poehling/kunin/sillinger price
 

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Yeah, they'd prioritize Mikko over Petterson, and they can't afford both.

Miller at $8M is tough as it is. They've already decided to pay a bit more than their original plan on goaltending. Now they'd be paying more than their original plan on a 2C.

I have a feeling they may be hoping Parssinen can earn the 3C role though, and they can change plans with that too and go back to building a team with a cheap 3C.

I think we may see a lot of shuffling of the deck before next season.

They don’t even know how things will pan out with Nichushkin. That’s 6.25 right there. Otherwise, they probably need to choose between Drouin and Colton.

Speaking of Colton, if Mitts continues to struggle, maybe it’s better to try Colton at 2C with better line mates? Save the assets and see if you have an in house option first. Most will agree he’s looked better at 2LW than 3C. It might be worth a try to him at 2C?
 
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Pettersson has his flaws for sure, but based on what I’ve seen/read think that Miller is a friggin’ headcase. Very talented headcase but one nonetheless.

I think you can build a winner with Pettersson as your best center. I don’t think you can with Miller.

I think it’s kind of a moot point primarily because I think the Canucks have a very flawed roster and a lousy coach, but I think there’s hope at the end of the tunnel if they choose Petey, but not JT.
Define "head case." Pettersson is a talented player with a lot of tools, but I think he has a different set of mental issues. Goes into protracted slumps, has effort issues, apparently can't get along with someone who is vocal, dropped off as soon as he signed that ultra rich contract. The speculation was maybe the drop off was injury related, but at this point maybe it's something that never heals to 100%?

Allvin alluded to it in his presser, when is this guy going to step up and show that he's worth that mega contract?
 

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