Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[chet1926]

If Carolina trades Mikko should they fold as a team?

It's a pretty bad look to trade away your top scorer for guy that you might trade a month later. They better get a hell of a return of they end up trading him.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I think you'd have to do a three team trade with NJ getting Colton, us getting Crouse and NJ sending someone to Seattle. I don't know if NJ has been able to bank cap space though. They were up against the cap irrc.

Until the offseason Colton controls his destiny. Now if Landeskog doesn't end up returning. They 100% need to go get Crouse in the offseason IMO.

It would be nice to do it in season though obviously.

We 100% need three wingers of that type. Only having one healthy since the cup for most games has been a death nail.



Yeah, they obviously completely glossed over his NMC to add more teams.

The f*** does Seattle get something for? Isn't Crouse still in Utah? They've got loads of cap-space. If retention is necessary we can just pay them for it and skip NJ unless you are saying Ross won't waive for the Magic PJs. In that case, you have a solid point. We might have to include Wood to get him to waive and then we'd have to request... I don't know, say Guenther and Cooley to even out salary? Or should we not test Bill's sense of humor and simply request a 9th rounder (future considerations).?

 

[CobraAcesS]

The f*** does Seattle get something for? Isn't Crouse still in Utah? They've got loads of cap-space. If retention is necessary we can just pay them for it and skip NJ unless you are saying Ross won't waive for the Magic PJs. In that case, you have a solid point. We might have to include Wood to get him to waive and then we'd have to request... I don't know, say Guenther and Cooley to even out salary? Or should we not test Bill's sense of humor and simply request a 9th rounder (future considerations).?

I get the expansion level teams confused. Yeah, it's Utah, I literally put Seattle in the website looking for him too. Like wtf, where is he?

 

[hockeyfish]

Wasting a perfectly good Friday. Lame.

 

[Foppa2118]

It's Friday night Cmac WTF?

CMac's hung over after Team USA's loss. He had three Stella's and he was drunker than you were last night. He's about to dip into his 4th and keep her goin, because he's got Sakic talking shit to him in the group chat.

We gotta wait till next Friday for trades.

 

[ABasin]

They’re not getting Marty Necas, a top 10 scorer in the NHL already at the time of the trade.

One team let him go due to contract reasons, and if a second team couldn’t sign him…..

He becomes a pure rental.

Short of a significant injury to a top scorer on a contending team in the next two weeks, Rantanen’s stock will likely go down. Perhaps if he lights it up in those same two weeks, his stock might stay close to what it was when the Avs traded him. But doubtful.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I get the expansion level teams confused. Yeah, it's Utah, I literally put Seattle in the website looking for him too. Like wtf, where is he?

For shits and giggles I took a quick review of the Kraken's roster. Honestly, I'd only be interested in McCann and Dunn and while I'm convinced Ron Francis is an idiot, I don't think he's selling either. Also, I do not believe Cale Makar would allow Jared McCann to exist in the room. The last time he actually looked at the dude, he not only broke him, but also got suspended from a playoff game.

 

[Avs_19]

“In the chatter over the last few days around 4 Nations, there’s a lot of talk surrounding his future and it not likely being in Raleigh,” Pagnotta said. “Now, things can certainly change and this is a lot of speculative talk, but it is important to note that money won’t be the factor here. Carolina is willing to give him the big bucks that he’s looking for, in that $14 million (per year) range. So that’s not an issue. It really is going to come down to Mikko Rantanen and being comfortable staying there long-term, and there are a lot of people around the league, there’s a lot of chatter among teams that they’re doubting that’s the case.

“Obviously nothing is done until it’s done. But if that does occur, if that’s the notion that Carolina gets, they will explore the market on him to recoup the assets that they gave up to get him. No guarantee they pull the trigger on it and no guarantee he doesn’t sign, but a lot of the chatter right now that I can tell you around 4 Nations has been that his future in Raleigh up in the air. So, we’ll keep tabs on that.”

Everyone is jumping on this now. Kypreos was the first from what I've seen and then today it's Friedman, Frank, and Pagnotta.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Charge your damn phone.

I love this place. LOL

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Allow me to question the quality of the article.

 

[Foppa2118]

Allow me to question the quality of the article.

For instance, I very much doubt that Jones - even though he wants to win - is waving his no-move so he can go to Winnipeg. Calgary isn't a Seth Jones away from being a contender either.

Also, in the 'maybe' category - I cannot see him accepting to go back to Columbus - why not just stay in Chicago.

A really well thought out article.

Ah what people won't do for clicks.

Chris Johnston's rebuttal.

 

[Freaky Styley]

Wouldn't be surprised to see a big futures hot potato passed around if Rantanen is moved.

Tulsky will get a big futures package and immediately flip that to a team for another piece(s) to help him this year. I'd bet he'd even have that setup before the Rantanen deal.

Obviously they've been linked to Pettersson so maybe they flip them to Vancouver since their season may be in jeopardy anyway and they are retooling a bit. Then in the offseason they flip said futures at the draft for an upgrade themselves.

Crouse and Tanev would be great hot potatoes of our own as replacements for Colton and Wood. Should be a really interesting 2 weeks (hopefully).

A Sens fan brought up Norris to the Avs. He might be one of our best options if he's available but not sure what that deal would look like.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Wouldn't be surprised to see a big futures hot potato passed around if Rantanen is moved.

Tulsky will get a big futures package and immediately flip that to a team for another piece(s) to help him this year. I'd bet he'd even have that setup before the Rantanen deal.

Obviously they've been linked to Pettersson so maybe they flip them to Vancouver since their season may be in jeopardy anyway and they are retooling a bit. Then in the offseason they flip said futures at the draft for an upgrade themselves.

Crouse and Tanev would be great hot potatoes of our own as replacements for Colton and Wood. Should be a really interesting 2 weeks (hopefully).

A Sens fan brought up Norris to the Avs. He might be one of our best options if he's available but not sure what that deal would look like.

This is all fantasy. I feel like there's basically no chance they move Rantanen.

Also can we stop with the Norris thing? lol we don't need more players who could completely disintegrate upon physical contact

 

[expatriatedtexan]

This is all fantasy. I feel like there's basically no chance they move Rantanen.

Also can we stop with the Norris thing? lol we don't need more players who could completely disintegrate upon physical contact

Oh, I'm almost positive they move him. I think it happens after the deadline but before July 1. I can't help but believe there is a team dumb enough to want to pay him top dollar for 7 or 8 years. I'd love to sign him to an exact copy of his current deal. Hell, I'd even allow him to take the 52M over 5 years. But seriously...he's wanting a MASSIVE pay raise from 9.25M and he's getting worse by the minute.

I'm sorry, but I don't see any way that Mikko isn't bought out of his next contract.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Oh, I'm almost positive they move him. I think it happens after the deadline but before July 1. I can't help but believe there is a team dumb enough to want to pay him top dollar for 7 or 8 years. I'd love to sign him to an exact copy of his current deal. Hell, I'd even allow him to take the 52M over 5 years. But seriously...he's wanting a MASSIVE pay raise from 9.25M and he's getting worse by the minute.

I'm sorry, but I don't see any way that Mikko isn't bought out of his next contract.

We'll see but I'd be extremely shocked.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

We'll see but I'd be extremely shocked.

I hope you are right. Dude is a f***ing dominate finisher, but he's not Ovechkin. He's never brought that level of compete to the Avs. Yes, he's a deadly fnisher... but my god, the Caps got a lot more from Ovechkin that what Rants ever provided the Avs.

Wingers can make extremely good money. But they need to thread the line between getting paid and offending everyone for asking what the top guys get in terms of salary.

At the end of the day, I'm just left wondering how anyone can think Mikko was ever on par or above Nate and Cale and should be paid based on that.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I hope you are right. Dude is a f***ing dominate finisher, but he's not Ovechkin. He's never brought that level of compete to the Avs. Yes, he's a deadly fnisher... but my god, the Caps got a lot more from Ovechkin that what Rants ever provided the Avs.

Wingers can make extremely good money. But they need to thread the line between getting paid and offending everyone for asking what the top guys get in terms of salary.

At the end of the day, I'm just left wondering how anyone can think Mikko was ever on par or above Nate and Cale and should be paid based on that.

I definitely think we moved off Rantanen at the absolute best possible moment. It was a pretty brilliant move in my opinion, as long as we sign Necas and Drury long term, and I think we will with no sweat.

 

[Bender]

Wouldn't be surprised to see a big futures hot potato passed around if Rantanen is moved.

Tulsky will get a big futures package and immediately flip that to a team for another piece(s) to help him this year. I'd bet he'd even have that setup before the Rantanen deal.

Obviously they've been linked to Pettersson so maybe they flip them to Vancouver since their season may be in jeopardy anyway and they are retooling a bit. Then in the offseason they flip said futures at the draft for an upgrade themselves.

Crouse and Tanev would be great hot potatoes of our own as replacements for Colton and Wood. Should be a really interesting 2 weeks (hopefully).

A Sens fan brought up Norris to the Avs. He might be one of our best options if he's available but not sure what that deal would look like.

It's hard to imagine the Canes would move out Rantanen after having already given up Necas +++.

I thought about them getting a big futures package and then flipping that for pieces that would help them this year but like what ? Pettersson has been pretty darn bad for a good long while now AND he's got a monster contract. I'm not sure I'd love to give up a lot of assets to acquire him and then pray he's able to find his game again. Pretty risky - and they just rolled the dice with the Necas-Rants trade.

I guess I'm having trouble seeing what kind of deal they could actually come up with that would even get them back on par after losing Necas + Drury AND also Rantanen.

I think the Canes have painted themselves into a corner here with some pretty terrible management. Failure to get some kind of confirmation that Rantanen would be willing to sign in Carolina prior to making that trade is a massive rookie mistake - one that not too many people on this very forum would have even made. It's kinda funny how everyone was praising that cryptkeeper Carolina GM as soon as the trade was made but maybe not so much anymore.

In the end, I think they keep Rantanen and add to their team and just hope that it's enough to get them out of the East and make the Cup final.

 

[Bender]

Oh, I'm almost positive they move him. I think it happens after the deadline but before July 1. I can't help but believe there is a team dumb enough to want to pay him top dollar for 7 or 8 years. I'd love to sign him to an exact copy of his current deal. Hell, I'd even allow him to take the 52M over 5 years. But seriously...he's wanting a MASSIVE pay raise from 9.25M and he's getting worse by the minute.

I'm sorry, but I don't see any way that Mikko isn't bought out of his next contract.

If thats the case, they aren't getting much back for him.

Guentzel only got Carolina a 3rd round pick from Tampa Bay last year in that same exact scenario.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

It would be so embarrassing for Carolina to trade his rights for a 3rd

 

[expatriatedtexan]

It's hard to imagine the Canes would move out Rantanen after having already given up Necas +++.

I thought about them getting a big futures package and then flipping that for pieces that would help them this year but like what ? Pettersson has been pretty darn bad for a good long while now AND he's got a monster contract. I'm not sure I'd love to give up a lot of assets to acquire him and then pray he's able to find his game again. Pretty risky - and they just rolled the dice with the Necas-Rants trade.

I guess I'm having trouble seeing what kind of deal they could actually come up with that would even get them back on par after losing Necas + Drury AND also Rantanen.

I think the Canes have painted themselves into a corner here with some pretty terrible management. Failure to get some kind of confirmation that Rantanen would be willing to sign in Carolina prior to making that trade is a massive rookie mistake - one that not too many people on this very forum would have even made. It's kinda funny how everyone was praising that cryptkeeper Carolina GM as soon as the trade was made but maybe not so much anymore.

In the end, I think they keep Rantanen and add to their team and just hope that it's enough to get them out of the East and make the Cup final.

I agree. It's hard to think that Carolina would pivot this quickly, but seriously... If you were a Caniac, would you be beating the ground demanding Tulsky sign him to max term/cap? For a team that doesn't flaunt money the way a Toronto or Las Vegas does, this would be terrible. I think I would appreciate that Eric took the swing, but also appreciate him realizing it was a strike and moving on as soon as possible rather than doubling down and signing Mikko to an extension.

Optics be damned, he should do everything he can to get out of this. That involves having a very serious discussion with Mikko about how much money he wants vs where he wants to play. I do believe there are teams that can afford and might even be tempted to give him the contract he's been seeking. But those teams are Utah, Chicago and Minnesota. Not exasctly the premier UFA destination these days.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I agree. It's hard to think that Carolina would pivot that quickly, but seriously... If you were a Caniac...would be beating the ground demanding Tulsky sign him to max term/cap? If you are being honest, I think you would appreciate the GM taking the swing but also appreciate him realizing it was a strike and moving on as soon as possible.

On some level I think it just kinda sucks to publicly admit defeat like that.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

With Beds further burying Mitts, CMac needs to make a move now to get Mitts off the team and a better fit for 2C in.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

On some level I think it just kinda sucks to publicly admit defeat like that.

Absolutely. But would you rather be known for admiting a mistake and moving quicly to correct it, or ignoring a mistake and even contributing to make it bigger than necessary?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Absolutely. But would you rather be known for admiting a mistake and moving quicly to correct it, or ignoring a mistake and even contributing to make it bigger than necessary?

Me personally I would rather not be known at all lol