Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[Foppa2118]

Zacha + Carlo package deal. Get it done. Although it seems Carlo might be dealing with an injury. B fans are down on him.

Just spitballing, but if they need to use Manson to get Jones, then what about Mitts+ for Zacha + Carlo?

Carlo can replace Manson as the bottom pair RD. If he's having a down year, he might not cost too much? $400k cheaper than Manson, 5 years younger, and under contract for one more year.

Then find a vet puck moving LD to pair with him on the bottom pair. Can Dumoulin still skate and handle the puck well enough for this role? If so, that's who I'd target too.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Just spitballing, but if they need to use Manson to get Jones, then what about Mitts+ for Zacha + Carlo?

Carlo can replace Manson as the bottom pair RD. If he's having a down year, he might not cost too much? $400k cheaper than Manson, 5 years younger, and under contract for one more year.

Then find a vet puck moving LD to pair with him on the bottom pair. Can Dumoulin still skate and handle the puck well enough for this role? If so, that's who I'd target too.

Boston is 1 point out, I don't think they're trading roster players for picks yet, or are planning to.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Is Landy really underrated though? He has always been talked about as being one of the best power forwards in the NHL

I'm sorry...anyone who underrates Gabe either hasn't been watching hockey long enough to have seen him play or are just dumber than even I.

Not sure which category these folks wish to fall into though.

 

[hockeyfish]

Boston is 1 point out, I don't think they're trading roster players for picks yet, or are planning to.

Boston’s in a weird place. One point out, but they are a bad team who may have just lost their best player for the year. They should sell, but they might not.

 

[Foppa2118]

Boston is 1 point out, I don't think they're trading roster players for picks yet, or are planning to.

Do they need a puck moving RD? How about this?

Ritchie + Manson + 1st for Jones ($2.5M retained)

Mitts + Malinski + Behrens for Zacha + Carlo (maybe not enough)

2nd for Dumoulin (50% retained)

 

[CobraAcesS]

I'm sorry...anyone who underrates Gabe either hasn't been watching hockey long enough to have seen him play or are just dumber than even I.

Not sure which category these folks wish to fall into though.

Actually do kind of think Landeskog has been underrated. The Stanley Cup changed that a little, but prior to that? Yeah..

It's called East coast media doesn't stay up to watch the West or Central lol.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Avs have $4.824M in cap space. LTIR Manz till the playoffs adds another $4,5M. That's almost enough to add Jones without any retention.

Dallas is in a similar situation. They have $3.4M, but they could also LTIR Heiskanen, add $8.45M, and add Jones without any retention.

 

[Foppa2118]

Again, I don't think it's just Bednar, nor do I think MacFarland acquired Necas with any intention of trying him at center. Necas simply isn't a center anymore than Rantanen was.

Now, I WOULD like to see Necas and MacKinnon on separate lines once we start up again, but guess we'll see what happens. They can't continue the way they did before the break indefinitely, and they know it.

Hopefully, the plan was to just get him building chemistry with the top guy on the team, then after he settles in and gets to know the team, Bednar can use Necas on the second line.

Bednar has split up Nate and Mikko a fair amount. It was just plan B. I think a lot of it was Nate wants to play with guys like Mikko and Necas.

 

[hockeyfish]

Avs have $4.824M in cap space. LTIR Manz till the playoffs adds another $4,5M. That's almost enough to add Jones without any retention.

Dallas is in a similar situation. They have $3.4M, but they could also LTIR Heiskanen, add $8.45M, and add Jones without any retention.

They might have cap space this year, but if there is any chance Landy comes back, they can’t have Jones at 9.5 next year. If they want Jones, need to get that number down to 7.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Except for trying Newhook at 2C 90-95% of HFAvs were OK with trying RyJo and especially Mitts. Hindsight is 20/20.

RyJo at the time I understood as a gamble due to the cap constraints and I think there was more understanding, at least from me, at taking that gamble. The Newhook decision was just so so so bad even without hindsight. He clearly wasn't a C and was questionably a top 6 player at all at that point. That was just dumb imo.

 

[CobraAcesS]

They might have cap space this year, but if there is any chance Landy comes back, they can’t have Jones at 9.5 next year. If they want Jones, need to get that number down to 7.

No it's a huge opportunity to get him with retention, you do it based on that, and pay the price.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

They might have cap space this year, but if there is any chance Landy comes back, they can’t have Jones at 9.5 next year. If they want Jones, need to get that number down to 7.

Oh, I know. Unfortunately for the Avs, Dallas has better pieces to trade, and they can absorb his full cap hit next year, still have room to re-sign their RFA's, and then add.

 

[Foppa2118]

CMac has shown he's more than willing to be aggressive to shake up this team and get it going. Bednar also wasn't "his" hire even if they know one another from Columbus.

If anyone goes, it's Bednar while CMac gets his shot with a coach of his choosing.

I agree, Bednar would definitely go before CMac. That's always how it works. The GM usually gets more than one coach.

But Bednar is about as much a CMac hire as possible, without being the GM. Only reason why Joe probably even knew about him was CMac. He likely pushed very hard for him.

Despite a couple moves that may not fit Bednar's style, which may or may not have even been CMac's idea (could have been Joe's they're a team) I think CMac and Bednar share stylistic philosophies too.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

RyJo at the time I understood as a gamble due to the cap constraints and I think there was more understanding, at least from me, at taking that gamble. The Newhook decision was just so so so bad even without hindsight. He clearly wasn't a C and was questionably a top 6 player at all at that point. That was just dumb imo.

Yeah I already said that most people were against the Newhook decision. At least he got a good return on him but Yeah it was a mistake.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

What exactly does Dallas have that we don't when it comes to a trade for Jones?

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Avs have $4.824M in cap space. LTIR Manz till the playoffs adds another $4,5M. That's almost enough to add Jones without any retention.

Dallas is in a similar situation. They have $3.4M, but they could also LTIR Heiskanen, add $8.45M, and add Jones without any retention.

Due to Manson being hurt, we are still running 8 D on the roster.

One of Kylington($1.05m), de Haan($0.8m), or Middleton($0.775m) will need to come off the roster for Manson.

So, it's really like $5.5-$5.8m in cap space with a 13 F, 7 D, 2 G roster.

 

[Avsfan1921]

What exactly does Dallas have that we don't when it comes to a trade for Jones?

I think mainly cap space? Dunno if they’d do it, but acquiring him with no retention would cost minimal assets I’d think.

 

[Foppa2118]

What exactly does Dallas have that we don't when it comes to a trade for Jones?

I feel like Ritchie is a pretty good piece that a rebuilding team might want.

Also Seth may have some input here if it's close, and I feel like he may lean towards Colorado in preference. I feel like he may want that full circle moment with Sakic and the Avs, and may prefer the idea of playing with all time greats like MacKinnon and Makar.

Also, I think similar to Hall, he may like the idea of not having to be the guy. Dallas has Heiskanen, but Makar's spotlight is much bigger, and kind of takes the pressure of Jones to free him up to just play hockey, with less expectaitons.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I feel like Ritchie is a pretty good piece that a rebuilding team might want.

Also Seth may have some input here if it's close, and I feel like he may lean towards Colorado in preference. I feel like he may want that full circle moment with Sakic and the Avs, and may prefer the idea of playing with all time greats like MacKinnon and Makar.

Also, I think similar to Hall, he may like the idea of not having to be the guy. Dallas has Heiskanen, but Makar's spotlight is much bigger, and kind of takes the pressure of Jones to free him up to just play hockey, with less expectaitons.

He was born in Texas and moved back there from Denver when he was 12.

Probably a close call between Colorado and Dallas for him. Denver is where he lived for a few years and learned to play hockey, Texas is home.

I just feel like the Stars would get it done. Personal opinion. We are always the bridesmaid.

 

[Freaky Styley]

What exactly does Dallas have that we don't when it comes to a trade for Jones?

Hopefully the fact that they already have 4 RHD making a combined total of over $11M although of course Dumba would likely go the other way.

They've already used their 1st this year too and don't have many picks at all in 2025.

Realistically, we have similar assets to offer. 2026 1st rounder, a high-end F prospect (Ritchie/Bourque), and a cap dump like Wood/Dumba.

The good news is we have a 2nd or 4th from the Rants deal we can throw in, and unlike Dallas we almost have a full roster of Fs signed for next year. Dallas has 5 UFA forwards, and will need replacements at some prominent roster spots. Maybe they prefer to use their cap space to go after a guy like Bennett for example, not to mention raises to Oettinger and Johnston kicking in.

I'm guessing they hold onto Bourque harder than we hold onto Ritchie for this reason. Either way, CMac will have to be aggressive to keep him away from a division rival. Unfortunately it lessens a bit of leverage we would have had otherwise with his NMC

 

[John Mandalorian]

He was born in Texas and moved back there from Denver when he was 12.

Probably a close call between Colorado and Dallas for him. Denver is where he lived for a few years and learned to play hockey, Texas is home.

I just feel like the Stars would get it done. Personal opinion. We are always the bridesmaid.

His father is employed by the Nuggets and Sakic was a presence in his life. But he’d probably be ok with either. The problem is that the Avs have less to offer. Ritchie should not be used in this transaction. Gulyayev, ok maybe. But Dallas has drafted well. It gives them a position of advantage. Chicago can just say, “we like Dallas’ offer more; will you accept a trade there, Seth.”

 

[The Abusement Park]

He was born in Texas and moved back there from Denver when he was 12.

Probably a close call between Colorado and Dallas for him. Denver is where he lived for a few years and learned to play hockey, Texas is home.

I just feel like the Stars would get it done. Personal opinion. We are always the bridesmaid.

Plus they need someone to replace Miro this year. They have far more of a need than we do as well.

 

[dahrougem2]

Didn't Dallas use their LTIR money on Granlund and Ceci? Unless the plan is put Heiskanen there, too.

 

[Freaky Styley]

His father is employed by the Nuggets and Sakic was a presence in his life. But he’d probably be ok with either. The problem is that the Avs have less to offer. Ritchie should not be used in this transaction. Gulyayev, ok maybe. But Dallas has drafted well. It gives them a position of advantage. Chicago can just say, “we like Dallas’ offer more; will you accept a trade there, Seth.”

Chicago has no need for more D. They'd want Ritchie or Mitts. Also, Gulyayev will be better than Ritchie.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Didn't Dallas use their LTIR money on Granlund and Ceci? Unless the plan is put Heiskanen there, too.

They have 3.4mil in cap space right now and moving Miro to LTIR would give them almost 12. Based on what Miro's knee looked at during the injury I'd be shocked if he could come back before the regular season ends. Even playoffs seems optimistic. But they have been vague about the whole thing so who knows.