Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[forsbergavs32]

What f***ing forum am I on?

Past their prime hockey fans reliving their glory days

 

[Alienblood]

To be clear he was “in Toronto” for like, five minutes.

But I agree, he was never really a bad player, he just never really seemed to approach his potential until he was in Seattle. There he became a legit impact player. Before that he was a depth guy IMO.

most definitely

 

[flyfysher]

Thinking over the 2C issue, the Avs’ big gamble wasn’t trading away Rants for Necas. It was deciding to retain Nuke and let Kadri go. But that decision makes sense, especially when taken in context. One was that we were still stuck with a flat cap and no major foreseeable rise. The other speaks to the value which management viewed each player. Keep in mind that you’ve both players, the majority of whose tenure under their next contract would put them on the wrong side of 30. Unfortunate to say but injuries should be expected with those players. It’s understandable that more than a few forum members would like to dump Nuke given his role in screwing up the Avs PO runs. And yeah, addiction is a horrible disease. That monkey is always on your back. But Nuke brings a unique contribution as a player. The guy is a bull with two way play. He makes the team win. Obviously CMAC values that. Nevertheless, the cost is an inability to fill the 2C position with someone that can consistently contribute and make the second line an offensive threat. I wasn’t a Kadri fan earlier in his tenure either with TML and the Avs BUT he had really matured by the SC run. His undisciplined play earlier in his career with the TML and Avs really made me think Sakic was crazy to keep Kadri. It worked though. So the Avs didn’t sign Kadri and went with Nuke. Nevertheless, the question is, if you could go back in time would you keep Kadri at $7M over Nuke and let him walk? The Avs replaced their top line W in Rants in a player with elite ability in Necas. Surprisingly easily although I’d argue the circumstances of Necas’ availability were really unique and not something you’d often see. Could Nuke be easily replaced? If so, what other player would bring the same level of contribution that Nuke does?

 

[JLo217]

Crosby and Mack needs to happen!

 

[lionsDen]

You don’t trade nuke, he’s a huge driver on this team and will help this team with their “depth scoring”

 

[Alienblood]

You don’t trade nuke, he’s a huge driver on this team and will help this team with their “depth scoring”

Primary scoring

 

[Balthazar]

he never playsYou don’t trade nuke, he’s a huge driver on this team and will help this team with their “depth scoring”

Who cares if you never play

 

[hockeyfish]

No, you delete

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

No, you delete

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Thinking over the 2C issue, the Avs’ big gamble wasn’t trading away Rants for Necas. It was deciding to retain Nuke and let Kadri go. But that decision makes sense, especially when taken in context. One was that we were still stuck with a flat cap and no major foreseeable rise. The other speaks to the value which management viewed each player. Keep in mind that you’ve both players, the majority of whose tenure under their next contract would put them on the wrong side of 30. Unfortunate to say but injuries should be expected with those players. It’s understandable that more than a few forum members would like to dump Nuke given his role in screwing up the Avs PO runs. And yeah, addiction is a horrible disease. That monkey is always on your back. But Nuke brings a unique contribution as a player. The guy is a bull with two way play. He makes the team win. Obviously CMAC values that. Nevertheless, the cost is an inability to fill the 2C position with someone that can consistently contribute and make the second line an offensive threat. I wasn’t a Kadri fan earlier in his tenure either with TML and the Avs BUT he had really matured by the SC run. His undisciplined play earlier in his career with the TML and Avs really made me think Sakic was crazy to keep Kadri. It worked though. So the Avs didn’t sign Kadri and went with Nuke. Nevertheless, the question is, if you could go back in time would you keep Kadri at $7M over Nuke and let him walk? The Avs replaced their top line W in Rants in a player with elite ability in Necas. Surprisingly easily although I’d argue the circumstances of Necas’ availability were really unique and not something you’d often see. Could Nuke be easily replaced? If so, what other player would bring the same level of contribution that Nuke does?

This wasn't the decision.

 

[Mooserton]

Crosby needs to be in the burgundy and blue yesterday

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Crosby needs to be in the burgundy and blue yesterday

Only way it happens is if Sid says so, and I don't think he'll do that to Malkin, Letang, the Pittsburgh organization, or the city of Pittsburgh.

 

[flyfysher]

This wasn't the decision.

Really? They signed him, not Kadri.

 

[hockeyfish]

Only way it happens is if Sid says so, and I don't think he'll do that to Malkin, Letang, the Pittsburgh organization, or the city of Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh deserves it for what they do to pizza.

 

[Hasbro]

How can you suggest you're old and then NOT have Linda on your list :

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Also Vanessa, really ?

That’s even older. 70’s

Pittsburgh deserves it for what they do to pizza.

AAAAANNNNNDDDDD there’s the justification for nuking St Louis.

 

[Gumballhead]

I'm older. My real battle in the 60s/70s was Ginger vs MaryAnn in Gilligan's Island. (MaryAnn of course) That said we had Barbara Eden as Jeannie, Julie Newmar as Catwoman and Yvonne Craig as Batgirl.

Of course, we had all the original Bond Girls as well. And you might want to take a gander at Raquel Welch in the film One Million Years, B.C.

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The company I worked for in LA had a lot of celebrity clientele and I most definitely have autographed 8x10s of Yvonne Craig and Julie Newmar in their costumes.

Bold costume design for a movie in 1917. Always thought the original Betty Boop cartoon was basically a charicature of Theda.

You could look like John Lithgow and still be a hottie back then.

 

[Gumballhead]

What f***ing forum am I on?

Cialis Daydreams

 

[John Mandalorian]

What would Brock Nelson”s next contract look like?

 

[shadow1]

Thinking over the 2C issue, the Avs’ big gamble wasn’t trading away Rants for Necas. It was deciding to retain Nuke and let Kadri go. But that decision makes sense, especially when taken in context. One was that we were still stuck with a flat cap and no major foreseeable rise. The other speaks to the value which management viewed each player. Keep in mind that you’ve both players, the majority of whose tenure under their next contract would put them on the wrong side of 30. Unfortunate to say but injuries should be expected with those players. It’s understandable that more than a few forum members would like to dump Nuke given his role in screwing up the Avs PO runs. And yeah, addiction is a horrible disease. That monkey is always on your back. But Nuke brings a unique contribution as a player. The guy is a bull with two way play. He makes the team win. Obviously CMAC values that. Nevertheless, the cost is an inability to fill the 2C position with someone that can consistently contribute and make the second line an offensive threat. I wasn’t a Kadri fan earlier in his tenure either with TML and the Avs BUT he had really matured by the SC run. His undisciplined play earlier in his career with the TML and Avs really made me think Sakic was crazy to keep Kadri. It worked though. So the Avs didn’t sign Kadri and went with Nuke. Nevertheless, the question is, if you could go back in time would you keep Kadri at $7M over Nuke and let him walk? The Avs replaced their top line W in Rants in a player with elite ability in Necas. Surprisingly easily although I’d argue the circumstances of Necas’ availability were really unique and not something you’d often see. Could Nuke be easily replaced? If so, what other player would bring the same level of contribution that Nuke does?

Knowing what we know now, keeping Kadri would've been the right move.

At the time, Nichushkin seemed like the more valuable asset. He was way younger than Kadri and was probably Colorado's third best player during the Cup run.

But IMO all roads lead back to re-signing Manson. He was the Avs #5 defenseman during the Cup run, playing a decent amount less (15:51) than even EJ (17:05) the final two rounds. Keeping him over Kadri has had a domino effect felt to this day.

 

[flyfysher]

Knowing what we know now, keeping Kadri would've been the right move.

At the time, Nichushkin seemed like the more valuable asset. He was way younger than Kadri and was probably Colorado's third best player during the Cup run.

But IMO all roads lead back to re-signing Manson. He was the Avs #5 defenseman during the Cup run, playing a decent amount less (15:51) than even EJ (17:05) the final two rounds. Keeping him over Kadri has had a domino effect felt to this day.

The only question I have is who would replace Nuke if the Avs had kept Kadri? I don’t know if there’s another unicorn like Nuke but others are far more familiar with other teams’ players than me. I just find it interesting that the Avs have kept Nuke over Kadri and Rants even though he’s been unavailable due to injury and suspension.

Not sure I understand how the Avs presented situation leads to where the Avs find themselves now. Are you suggesting that Sakic should not have traded for Manson in the SC run?

 

[Muffin]

Really? They signed him, not Kadri.

They had enough cap space to sign everyone if EJ would just waive his NTC.

 

[shadow1]

The only question I have is who would replace Nuke if the Avs had kept Kadri? I don’t know if there’s another unicorn like Nuke but others are far more familiar with other teams’ players than me. I just find it interesting that the Avs have kept Nuke over Kadri and Rants even though he’s been unavailable due to injury and suspension.

Not sure I understand how the Avs presented situation leads to where the Avs find themselves now. Are you suggesting that Sakic should not have traded for Manson in the SC run?

The trade was great. But remember Manson was a pending UFA. The Avs re-signed him early on Free Agency Day, despite already having Byram, EJ, Girard, Makar, and Toews under contract. They then (reportedly) tried to trade EJ to free up room for Kadri, but he wouldn't waive his trade protection.

The entire situation was preventable if they just let Manson walk. They could've added another RHD at the 2023 deadline. Instead, they went after a center (Eller) and have been adding centers constantly since then.

 

[Ceremony]

I am fully on board with acquiring Crosby, regardless of the price. Do it at 50% retained and we're winning the next three cups.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I am fully on board with acquiring Crosby, regardless of the price. Do it at 50% retained and we're winning the next three cups.

MacK's not going to let his idle down, we winning them cups! C'mon Sid, just come to Colorado, it won't affect the way people perceive you.

 

[Ncit3]

Am I the only one, even with his past mishaps, that in the year 2025 would rather have a 29 year old winger over a 34 year old center? I really like Kadri and there is always a chance that Nuke relapses and gets his third strike here. But at this point in time, Nuke is the better player.